Originally Posted By apexcrusade:
This is just great;

From Bearing Arms -

""What can we expect to see this week? It's possible that Democrats will hold off on introducing their onslaught of anti-gun legislation until we're closer to the session's start for tactical purposes (i.e., to try to keep gun owners from mobilizing and re-starting the Second Amendment Sanctuary movement), but before the 2026 session is gaveled in we're definitely going to see a ban on so-called assault weapons. In fact, I expect several different versions of an "assault weapon" ban with varying components will be introduced. There are a lot of rumors floating around that one bill won't have any exceptions for current owners, who would be forced to turn their guns in, remove them from the state, or risk criminal charges.

In 2020, then-Gov. Ralph Northam pushed for a semi-auto ban that would have affected current owners, but ultimately backed off in the hopes of bringing rural Democrats on board. Instead, a handful of Democrat state senators objected to any gun ban bill, and Democrats had to settle for a score of smaller victories, including the establishment of a "red flag" law, "universal" background checks, and a weakening of the state's firearm preemption laws.

Sen. Creigh Deeds, who was one of those objectors five years ago, actually authored an "assault weapons" ban this past session, and there is currently no indication that any Democrat lawmaker in the state would oppose a semi-auto ban, though there may be some fights about the specifics of the legislation.

In addition to a ban on commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms, we can expect a prohibition on commonly-owned magazines that can hold more than ten rounds... and once again, there's no guarantee that existing owners will be exempted.

I'm anticipating multiple bills regulating the storage of firearms, including measures so severe that gun owners would be forced to either actively carry a firearm on their person within their home or keep their gun locked up and unloaded.

We're also likely to see a permit-to-purchase scheme that's substantially similar or identical to the Handgun Qualification License in Maryland. That would require anyone hoping to purchase a pistol to undergo firearms training, including a live-fire test, submit fingerprints, pay a fee, and wait for 30 days (or more) for the Virginia State Police or their county sheriff to issue them a permission slip allowing them to purchase a handgun. ""

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Originally Posted By FS7:

Approximately 100% of that violates the Virginia state constitution.

Originally Posted By FS7:

Approximately 100% of that violates the Virginia state constitution.

Originally Posted By bad2006z71:



So what? Whos going to stop it? State court will get over ruled by the 4th circus, who will bless every anti gun law as constitutional and SCOTUS will ignore it while Thomas scholarly calls the other justices faggots.

Originally Posted By BlackFox:
Don't make us come back up there.

Originally Posted By rb889:
Saw a blurb about twenty-some counties being invited to join WV.

That would probably be the biggest possible middle finger to NOVA.

Never happen, but hypothetically speaking… What does it take for that to happen?

I was already looking at properties in WV to build on, this would just make it easier, I think. Then again, this would probably increase the GDP of WV by 30%, maybe more, if VA Tech is included. I think I’d laugh my fucking ass off if the college suddenly became WV Tech and all that tax revenue got yanked out from under the new administration.

Originally Posted By BlackFox:
Don't make us come back up there.

Originally Posted By piccolo:
FWIW the AWB in NY, IL, CT and other places has compliance in single digits.

Originally Posted By Extorris:
Yeah, people have lots of guns that they hide in their gun safe and never use for fear of going to prison.

Originally Posted By apexcrusade:
It's time we band together on this.  There's going to be a lot of lawfare so we can fight them there.  That means stop swinging your purses, open them up and give to the likes of VCDL, etc.

Originally Posted By apexcrusade:
It's time we band together on this.  There's going to be a lot of lawfare so we can fight them there.  That means stop swinging your purses, open them up and give to the likes of VCDL, etc.

Abigail Spanberger’s First 100 Days: What Virginians Can Expect From Their Next Governor

Surovell says Democrats want to pursue measures including a ban on AR-15-style rifles and stronger safe-storage rules. No bills are filed yet, but that doesn’t mean they are off the table.

Originally Posted By rb889:
100,000 armed folks marching around the capitol would get their attention.

If we get another massive lobby day, what’s the over/under on the CIA karen fleeing the capitol like nutless Northam did?

Originally Posted By Colt1860:
Lots of Trump supporters say that what they want from Trump is to make liberals mad.  Well, they're mad.

The old man walked slowly through the dry, fallen leaves of autumn, his practiced eye automatically choosing the bare and stony places in the trail for his feet. There was scarcely a sound as he passed, though his left knee was stiff with scar tissue. He grunted occasionally as the tight sinews pulled. Damn chainsaw, he thought. Behind him, the boy shuffled along, trying to imitate his grandfather, but unable to mimic the silent motion that the old man had learned during countless winter days upon this wooded mountain in pursuit of game. He's fifteen years old, the old man thought. Plenty old enough to be learning. But that was another time, another America. His mind drifted, and he saw himself, a fifteen-year-old boy following in the footsteps of his own grandfather, clutching a twelve gauge in his trembling hands as they tracked a wounded whitetail.

The leg was hurting worse now, and he slowed his pace a bit.

Plenty of time. It should have been my own son here with me now, the old man thought sadly. But Jason had no interest, no understanding. He cared for nothing but pounding on the keys of that damned computer terminal. He knew nothing about the woods, or where food came from...or freedom. And that's my fault, isn't it?

The old man stopped and held up his hand, motioning for the boy to look. In the small clearing ahead, the deer stood motionless, watching them. It was a scraggly buck, underfed and sickly, but the boy's eyes lit up with excitement. It had been many years since they had seen even a single whitetail here on the mountain. After the hunting had stopped, the population had exploded. The deer had eaten the mountain almost bare until erosion had become a serious problem in some places. That following winter, three starving does had wandered into the old man's yard, trying to eat the bark off of his pecan trees, and he had wished the "animal rights" fanatics could have been there then. It was against the law, but old man knew a higher law, and he took an axe into the yard and killed the starving beasts. They did not have the strength to run.

The buck finally turned and loped away, and they continued down the trail to the river. When they came to the "Big Oak," the old man turned and pushed through the heavy brush beside the trail and the boy followed, wordlessly. The old man knew that Thomas was curious about their leaving the trail, but the boy had learned to move silently (well, almost) and that meant no talking. When they came to "Coffin Rock," the old man sat down upon it and motioned for the boy to join him.


"You see this rock, shaped like a casket?" the old man asked. "Yes sir." The old man smiled. The boy was respectful and polite. He loved the outdoors, too. Everything a man could ask in a grandson ....or a son.

"I want you to remember this place, and what I'm about to tell you. A lot of it isn't going to make any sense to you, but it's important and one day you'll understand it well enough. The old man paused. Now that he was here, he didn't really know where to start.

"Before you were born," he began at last, "this country was different. I've told you about hunting, about how everybody who obeyed the law could own guns. A man could speak out, anywhere, without worrying about whether he'd get back home or not. School was different, too. A man could send his kids to a church school, or a private school, or even teach them at home. But even in the public schools, they didn't spend all their time trying to brainwash you like they do at yours now." The old man paused, and was silent for many minutes. The boy was still, watching a chipmunk scavenging beside a fallen tree below them.

"Things don't ever happen all at once, boy. They just sort of sneak up on you. Sure, we knew guns were important; we just didn't think it would ever happen in America. But we had to do something about crime, they said. It was a crisis. Everything was a crisis! It was a drug crisis, or a terrorism crisis, or street crime, or gang crime. Even a 'health care' crisis was an excuse to take away a little more of our rights." The old man turned to look at his grandson.

"They ever let you read a thing called the Constitution down there at your school?" The boy solemnly shook his head. "Well, the Fourth Amendment's still in there. It says there won't be any unreasonable searches and seizures. It says you're safe in your own home." The old man shrugged. "That had to go. It was a crisis! They could kick your door open any time, day or night, and come in with guns blazing if they thought you had drugs ...or later, guns. Oh, at first it was just registration -- to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals! But that didn't work, of course, and then later when they wanted to take 'em they knew where to look. They banned 'assault rifles', and then 'sniper rifles', and 'Saturday night specials.' Everything you saw on the TV or in the movies was against us. God knows the news people were! And the schools were teaching our kids that nobody needed guns anymore. We tried to take a stand, but we felt like the whole face of our country had changed and we were left outside."

"Me and a friend of mine, when we saw what was happening, we came and built a secret place up here on the mountain. A place where we could put our guns until we needed them. We figured some day Americans would remember what it was like to be free, and what kind of price we had to pay for that freedom. So we hid our guns instead of losing them."

"One fellow I knew disagreed. He said we ought to use our guns now and stand up to the government. Said that the colonists had fought for their freedom when the British tried to disarm them at Lexington and Concord. Well, he and a lot of others died in what your history books call the 'Tax Revolt of 1998,' but son, it wasn't the revolt that caused the repeal of the Second Amendment like your history book says. The Second Amendment was already gone long before they ever repealed it. The rest of us thought we were doing the right thing by waiting. I hope to God we were right."

"You see, Thomas. It isn't government that makes a man free. In the end, governments always do just the opposite. They gobble up freedom like hungry pigs. You have to have laws to keep the worst in men under control, but at the same time the people have to have guns, too, in order to keep the government itself under control. In our country, the people were supposed to be the final authority of the law, but that was a long time ago. Once the guns were gone, there was no reason for those who run the government to give a damn about laws and constitutional rights and such. They just did what they pleased and anyone who spoke out...well, I'm getting ahead of myself."

"It took a long time to collect up all the millions of firearms that were in private hands. The government created a whole new agency to see to it. There were rewards for turning your friends in, too. Drug dealers and murderers were set free after two or three years in prison, but possession of a gun would get you mandatory life behind bars with no parole.

"I don't know how they found out about me, probably knew I'd been a hunter all those years, or maybe somebody turned me in. They picked me up on suspicion and took me down to the federal building."

"Son, those guys did everything they could think of to me. Kept me locked up in this little room for hours, no food, no water. They kept coming in, asking me where the guns were. 'What guns?' I said. Whenever I'd doze off, they'd come crashing in, yelling and hollering. I got to where I didn't know which end was up. I'd say I wanted my lawyer and they'd laugh. 'Lawyers are for criminals', they said. 'You'll get a lawyer after we get the guns.' What's so funny is, I know they thought they were doing the right thing. They were fighting crime!"

"When I got home I found Ruth sitting in the middle of the living room floor, crying her eyes out. The house was a shambles. While I was down there, they'd come out and took our house apart. Didn't need a search warrant, they said. National emergency! Gun crisis! Your grandma tried to call our preacher and they ripped the phone off the wall. Told her that they'd go easy on me if she just told them where I kept my guns." The old man laughed. "She told them to go to hell." He stared into the distance for a moment as his laughter faded.

"They wouldn't tell her about me, where I was or anything, that whole time. She said that she'd thought I was dead. She never got over that day, and she died the next December."

"They've been watching me ever since, off and on. I guess there's not much for them to do anymore, now that all the guns are gone. Plenty of time to watch one foolish old man." He paused. Beside him, the boy stared at the stone beneath his feet.

"Anyway, I figure that, one day, America will come to her senses. Our men will need those guns and they'll be ready. We cleaned them and sealed them up good; they'll last for years. Maybe it won't be in your lifetime, Thomas. Maybe one day you'll be sitting here with your son or grandson. Tell him about me, boy. Tell him about the way I said America used to be." The old man stood, his bad leg shaking unsteadily beneath him.

"You see the way this stone points? You follow that line one hundred feet down the hill and you'll find a big round rock. It looks like it's buried solid, but one man with a good prybar can lift it, and there's a concrete tunnel right under there that goes back into the hill."

The old man stood, watching as the sun eased toward the ridge, coloring the sky and the world red. Below them, the river still splashed among the stones, as it had for a million years. It's still going, the old man thought. There'll be someone left to carry on for me when I'm gone. It was harder to walk back. He felt old and purposeless now, and it would be easier, he knew, to give in to that aching heaviness in his left lung that had begun to trouble him more and more. Damn cigarettes, he thought. His leg hurt, and the boy silently came up beside him and supported him as they started down the last mile toward the house. How quiet he walks, the old man thought. He's learned well.

It was almost dark when the boy walked in. His father looked up from his paper. "Did you and your granddad have a nice walk?"

"Yes," the boy answered, opening the refrigerator. "You can call Agent Goodwin tomorrow. Gramps finally showed me where it is."

Originally Posted By ka-tetof1:



I don’t think I’m alone when I say, I don’t feel like I should have to Pay to keep what’s rightfully mine. Nor should anyone else.

Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare:

The coming Californication of VA



https://washingtonian.com/2025/11/19/spanberger-first-100-days-virginia-democrats-agenda/

VA Senate Majority Leader Surovell:



It is as clear as day.

Buy/sell what you want NOW. They WILL push it through. They are irate because of MAGA, and they will throw their fit in VA.

Originally Posted By BlackFox:
Don't make us come back up there.

Originally Posted By Need4Guns:
Sad to see so many with VA beside their name have no backbone, but not surprising.

Where the hell is WTC? Did he get banned? I haven't seen him chime in on any VA threads in the last few months.

Originally Posted By sydney7629:
The time to band together was November 3rd

The rights of American citizens have become a numbers game.  If there are enough votes, you'll lose them.  I hate that it is that simple but it is.

Originally Posted By rb889:


100,000 armed folks marching around the capitol would get their attention.

If we get another massive lobby day, what’s the over/under on the CIA karen fleeing the capitol like nutless Northam did?

Originally Posted By Need4Guns:
Sad to see so many with VA beside their name have no backbone, but not surprising.

Where the hell is WTC? Did he get banned? I haven't seen him chime in on any VA threads in the last few months.

Originally Posted By BlackFox:


We did march.  It got their attention, and they took their time and passed laws against peaceable (armed) assembly.  While I'll hang my hat on that day years ago, I don't know that we moved the needle in the long run. The whole world saw us stand (and it mattered to them!) but 5 years later we're right back to zero.  

The governor fleeing is not the litmus test for success (as fun as it was).  The litmus test is whether they try again the next year to pass gun control (or the year after, or the year after) unafraid of us.  They only need one complacent year and the stars aligning to accomplish everything they want.  They still don't fear us or understand the consequences of their actions.  The law enforcement community still doesn't rally to our side.  I still believe Jan 6 was a Reichstag fire organized in response to Lobby Day.  It was a message sent (and received): "Don't get uppity again."  I'm not above standing up, but we need to be smart about it.  

Let's face it - we're not going to vote or assemble our way out of this.  It helps and postpones, but it doesn't solve the long-term problem.  The biggest benefit of Lobby Day 2020 was the networking, the precedent and the credibility.  We now know we're not along or powerless.  We know we are the many.  It didn't change the battle with our opponents.  It helped us organize and understand what we're up against.  This isn't about memes or chasing the governor out of Virginia.  This is about legitimately preparing for unconstitutional laws and how we react.  Lobby Day was easy.  What comes next is hard.  

I'm not convinced Lobby Day 2.0 is the right move.  I'm not sure what is the right move, but doing the same thing again 6 years later isn't it.  I still stand openly with all here.  The game board has changed and we need to adapt our strategy.  Unless I'm missing something - Lobby Day 2026 isn't going to have the impact of Lobby Day 2020.  I'd love to be wrong, because armed woodstock was a great time once we got the feeling back in our toes and realized we weren't going to get shot that day!!

Originally Posted By Southernman077:

I think he had a kid.

Originally Posted By thesquidliest:
How long before both sides start saying "yeah, fuck you, not obeying your laws" whenever the opposing party wins?

Originally Posted By BlackFox:


We did march.  It got their attention, and they took their time and passed laws against peaceable (armed) assembly.  While I'll hang my hat on that day years ago, I don't know that we moved the needle in the long run. The whole world saw us stand (and it mattered to them!) but 5 years later we're right back to zero.  

The governor fleeing is not the litmus test for success (as fun as it was).  The litmus test is whether they try again the next year to pass gun control (or the year after, or the year after) unafraid of us.  They only need one complacent year and the stars aligning to accomplish everything they want.  They still don't fear us or understand the consequences of their actions.  The law enforcement community still doesn't rally to our side.  I still believe Jan 6 was a Reichstag fire organized in response to Lobby Day.  It was a message sent (and received): "Don't get uppity again."  I'm not above standing up, but we need to be smart about it.  

Let's face it - we're not going to vote or assemble our way out of this.  It helps and postpones, but it doesn't solve the long-term problem.  The biggest benefit of Lobby Day 2020 was the networking, the precedent and the credibility.  We now know we're not along or powerless.  We know we are the many.  It didn't change the battle with our opponents.  It helped us organize and understand what we're up against.  This isn't about memes or chasing the governor out of Virginia.  This is about legitimately preparing for unconstitutional laws and how we react.  Lobby Day was easy.  What comes next is hard.  

I'm not convinced Lobby Day 2.0 is the right move.  I'm not sure what is the right move, but doing the same thing again 6 years later isn't it.  I still stand openly with all here.  The game board has changed and we need to adapt our strategy.  Unless I'm missing something - Lobby Day 2026 isn't going to have the impact of Lobby Day 2020.  I'd love to be wrong, because armed woodstock was a great time once we got the feeling back in our toes and realized we weren't going to get shot that day!!

Originally Posted By Lawless_Flogic:

Is it that bad out there?

Even in CA I went to ranges where people shot LCMs and AWs along with cops and didn't worry about it. As laws got worse, some said "shiny, let's be bad guys" or "after the first felony, the rest are free".

There are a lot of 3d printers going brrr, there.

Originally Posted By Need4Guns:




A proper LD '26 would likely be the spark that sets things off on a nationwide level.

We agree that we're not voting our way out of this but the only response is we "need to adapt our strategy ". What does that mean?

We're all basically dancing around what we can't openly talk about but that we all know needs to happen, yet too many folks don't have the fortitude to do anyway.

Part of that is the comfortable lifestyle we all live while complaining, but part of it is basically not caring about where things are heading because....IDK.

What was it our forefathers had that seems to be lacking in our current imminent situation?



@blackfox