[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Unaltered Boxer (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/16/2004 9:44:54 AM EDT
My year old boxer, Siouxie, was a stray and wandered up at six months with her ears and tail intact. I saw no reason to dock them... I think that's vanity on the part of the owner, personally.... but I'm amazed at the number of people who've never seen an unaltered boxer. They can't figure out what she is! So I thought I'd share.... not like I'm a proud momma or anything....   
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My neighbor has a boxer that has a docked tail but the ears weren't clipped. A friend of mine had a boxer and they... uh... attempted to clip his ears. They were clipped but every set of bandages he had, he pulled them off. Dog had the most retarded looking damn ears you've ever seen. PS: Lucky dog... |
Very nice looking dog you have there. She very well could be from a German breeder who doesn't dock tails and ears. It has been illegal since 1998 in Germany to do any cutting or snipping on the dog's tails over there. So if the breeder ever planned on taking one of the pups to Germany to work or campaign in the show ring it would have to have it's tail. My rott pup comes from a German breeder who doesn't dock tails. Everywhere I take her including Home Depot, Star Nursery, and some garage sales everyone wants to know why she doesn't have her tail. One guy said to me on saturday, "oh, what is she mixed with, I can tell she isn't full rott". I said, "why do you think she is mixed"? He said, "because rotts aren't born with tails".  |
...Wow.... just wow. [we need a shaking head smiley] |
EXACTLY!! People have gotten so used to seeing some breeds docked that they think it is normal when it's really just something cooked up by the AKC and their bizarre desire to focus on phenotype instead of genotype.  I've had people tell me that I need to dock her tail for her own good.... that she'll break it often if I let her keep it. As if it's somehow more brittle or the dog is less aware of it's own tail because of it's breed. 
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DEFINITELY the line "most likely to be taken out of context" for the day. 
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Actually dogs that don't have their tails docked seem to be more agile as they grow, they use their tail as a rudder. Here is the breeder where my puppy has quite a few ancestors from. He has a write up on leaving the tails on the dogs:
www.redwoodkrest.com/about/goals/index.htm |
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Looks like a boxer to me my sister has one with the cropped ears and tail,and I remember when she had it done,she had to leave a big ice cream cone looking rig around its neck till they healed up, she told me that he didnt like having the cone around his neck, I looked at the her and asked her how she would like to have that done to her, I just got one of her weird looks !! I also hate it when people take dogs to the country and dump them out  Any chance I could be taken in if I wandered up in your back yard  You have Great looking Boxer there Miss_Magnum
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I see your Boxer and...and raise you a Beagle. Sarah...   Back on topic...Yes I saw a guy with an undocked/clipped Boxer...and he was snow white(the dog). I guess the white ones are suppose to be destroyed at birth...but the breeder couldn't stand to do it to this one because of the dogs playful nature. And boy was he playful. Damn 60 pound lap dog when I saw him .I think the undocked/clipped looks great...much better than the cut ones. They look like an American BD with long legs and a narrow head. Great pics. |
Here is Thor's dad: Raklyn's Showboat Since Thor is white he can not be shown in AKC Conformation, so there is absolutely no point in cropping his ears. I believe we may not have done it even if he had been Brindle, Fawn, or Flashy.... It's just plain mean. The tail at 2 days is passable.....I actually prefer the cropped tail PERSONALLY....though with a tail looks equally nice. |
I have a good friend whose boxer "Bunny" is "unaltered" - they have to keep everything in the house higher than Bunny's tail as those things swing around. They also blame Bunny's tail for making their older dog blind - Bunny would always end up hitting the older dog in the face with that whale of a tail. 
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Actually, many breeders now refuse to kill the white ones. The Breeder groups make the Breeders in the group "swear" to not profit from their sale or adoption. The new owners must also agree not to allow them to breed. White Boxers are considered an unfavorable mutation. They are not albino, as some uneducated breeders used to claim. They can be deaf at a higher rate than others. We got Thor for $150, which reimbursed the breeder for the vet bills for his first and second sets of shots. His littermates went for $1000+... His mother and father were both AKC Champions in one discipline or another. I believe his father was an AKC Conformation champion. So we have a mutant of champion bloodlines....... Makes for a nice pet, we think.
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The "breeder" you got your dog from is a fucking idiot. He/she doesn't give a shit about the boxer breed they only care about themselves. Good breeder's goals are to IMPROVE the breed they are interested in, not sell puppies that are grossly under par when it comes to quality and genetics. The fact the breeder participates in AKC shows just about sums it up for me. The AKC has done more damage to pure bred dog breeds than any other org. in the history of the world. They will register ANYTHING, it doesn't matter what it is as long as the parents are registered with them. They are a profit whoring piece of shit org and nothing more. They don't care about the quality of dogs that are registered, they only care that you have the money to send them to get the "papers" for the dog. You say you have to "promise" never to breed your dog?? How in the hell is the "breeder" going to enforce that??? They can't, that's how. They might bs around and say, you MUST get your dog fixed at the youngest age possible but once you take that dog home there isn't shit they can do if you never get it fixed. Someone could breed that dog (not saying you will) just because it has AKC papers and then perpetuate that mutation forever. That is the point, a good breeder would have culled that dog at birth, sorry to say it. A piece of shit AKC breeder doesn't care because they just want the money. $150 for 2 sets of shots???? WTF??? Good breeders give their own shots and they might spend about $20 on the vaccines. What a crock of shit. You would have been better off rescuing a pup from the pound. Too many people want a pure bred dog especially if it has, ooohhhh, AKC papers. Meanwhile, the breeds suffer for generations to come. The only thing that would save that breeder's reputation in my eyes would be if they already had the dog fixed before they sold it to you. Guessing from the age, it is highly unlikely though. Enjoy your pet and please don't ever recommend anyone you know ever buy a puppy from that piece of shit breeder you got that dog from. |
The only thing "wrong" with the white boxers is that they are white. Why cull them? To make sure there are no more white boxers?  Actually quite a few white boxers go on to beat their fawn, brindle and flashy counterparts in obedience and agility. Many have shown to have superior eyesight and hearing.... A white boxer is not bad for the breed, unless viewed through AKC Conformation colored glasses. He is no more or less genetically under par then any of the other puppies. He is only genetically "under par" if viewed from the standpoint of what a boxer "should" look like in the AKC and other dog registering entities, which is fawn, brindle or flashy with cropped ears and tail, broad chest and muscular lines. Your arguments are at odds with one another. You hate the AKC but espouse the cruelty they created....culling dogs because they don't fit the "mold". Hmph... In my area and the surrounding metro/suburb areas, cost of living is a bit higher, ergo things like vet bills will be a little higher. It probably also covered a few other things, but the bulk of the $150 was for the first two sets of shots given by a DVM in their area, which some breeders are and some breeders aren't...... Furthermore, the lineage of my WHITE boxer is quite strong, not a bastard in the bunch. Pure bred all the way back. Funny thing is, a WHITE BOXER can still be a pure breed. Your assertion that they detoriate the pure breed lines is, um, confusing. You are correct, they can't stop me from breeding my dog. Though he is due to be fixed in the next couple of weeks....the only thing that marked white PURE BRED boxers for death was that the AKC and other show circuits determined that Fawn, Brindle and Flashy were the en vogue colors and more in line with the original desired coloring. Since white is not a foreign color to the breed it is simply a "luck of the draw" that one puppy gets more white than fawn......in my case he is 98% white. Coloration of his fur speaks to nothing other than the coloration of his fur. |
Cute little gal.. Nice dog too..
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Actually, the health problems that come along with pure white boxers with pink pigments should be quite a concern to you. Then again, it doesn't seem like you did any real research before you made your decision. You probably made your decision based on emotion as is the case with most puppy purchases. I don't actually blame you though, if you read my post, I blame the "breeder" for selling the pup in the first place.
That would be the exception, not the rule. Lets stay realistic if we are going to have a debate here, it will make it easier on all the parties involved. The fact of the matter is genetically the pure white dogs are far below standard in any breed, not just the boxer. Look at the pure white German Shephard, that is the biggest piece of shit dog man ever invented. They couldn't do real work if their lives depended on it. By the way, I encourage you to get into some obedience and if you want to enter ob trials, by all means. I am not blaming you, remember that, I am blaming the breeder.
That is a pure lie and you know it. A pure white boxer with pink eyes is bad for the breed as they have far more health problems than their normal counterparts. If you want proof, google it, I don't have the time right now to do your research for you that you should have done before you bought the dog. Again, the "breeder" knows this and shouldn't have sold the dog. PERIOD
Actually, the AKC would register that dog you have so yes, they are the problem. The AKC won't give a confirmation title to that dog but it sure as hell will take your money when you register it. There is no tempermant or working ability testing with AKC, just send in the dough and you are good to go. That is my problem. The AKC judges pure looks, they don't give a shit if the dog is a nut case which is genetic by the way and will be passed down for generations to come. Why do you think there are so many stories of dog bites especially by popular breeds?? Because of POOR BREEDING, that's why.
Ok, you might live in Beverly Hills but I guarantee it didn't cost $150 for the first two sets of puppy shots, that is just ridiculous. A DVM here in Vegas (I know it isn't where you live) will run about $25 per set of shots and that includes an exam. If you are bringing in a whole litter the price can usually be talked down from there.
Well, your white boxer is a pure breed, I never said it wasn't. The fact is two pure breed dogs put together does not neccasarily guarantee you much of anything. You have a lot to learn about dogs, that is clear.
The breeder isn't forcing you to do this, you are being responsible on your own accord. Again, I don't blame you I blame the breeder. If the breeder is 100% dedicating to placing every dog no matter what the potential problem he should damn well have them fixed himself before he places them.
Actually pure white dogs have about a 1 in 4 chance of going deaf, so that might be part of the reason they should be culled. Again, if culling is out of the question, the dog should be fixed before being placed, not placed and hope the person doesn't breed it either purposefully or by accident. |
You would be better doing a little research and reading before you speak about dogs anymore. You don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. The AKC will register ANY dog that has two parents of the same breed. THAT DOESN'T DO SHIT TO IMPROVE THE BREED, IT ENCOURAGES BACKYARD BREEDING AND OTHER PUPPY MILLS. The org you are referring to so ignorantly in Germany keeps the Rott what is supposed to be. You can not breed two dogs together unless both parents have proven themselves of being worthy to breed. What part of that do you have a problem with???? They also require the hips to be x-rayed and approved by a third party org. What were the parents of the dog you have rated by OFA???? I bet the hips weren't even checked. Hip dysplasia is genetic in case you didn't know that. The only way to stop it is to not breed dogs that have it. Do you think the AKC requires a hip check before they register a litter??? hell no they dont. My dogs work, they don't just look pretty like the fucked up AKC bullshit running around. You know why?? They have the genetics for it, you can't train nerve and you sure as fuck don't get nerve by breeding your shit dog with the other shit dog down the street just because they both look like the same breed. As far as snobbery goes, a dog is a 10-15 year commitment, you want to get a shit dog that will cause you nothing but heart ache, go ahead. I would rather start with something quality that will give me a better chance of being healthy and living up to what I want. I also happen to have a dog I rescued from the pound when she was on her last day. I did that out of emotion, not logic so it happens to everyone especially when pups are involved. That is why it is the responsiblity of the breeder to do the right thing and not rely on Joe six pack coming to look at a litter of fur balls. Do you get my point???? |
Sorry Joe but that is  ....try and register a merle Great Dane...it can't be done. AKC and most breeders recomend killing merles right after birth as they don't want the merle gene passed on more than it already is.
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Actually Bob, a merle very well can be registered with the AKC because you know what??? It is up to the breeder to disclose the fact it is actually a merle, very shady breeders do very shady things. The AKC does nothing to stop it either as they don't check the validity of the registration. You want to bet there are no merle akc registered dogs out there??? I bet you there are. Does the merle have any special health concerns like the pure white boxers?? If it doesn't there is no reason for it not to exist. If it doesn't have a higher rate of any genetic defect than the fact the AKC doesn't want it proves the AKC is after nothing but looks, they don't care about the health or tempermant of the dogs whatsoever. Thanks for proving my point. Any other part of my posts you care to try and pick apart???? |
Here is a whole page of breeders selling merles, they appear to be AKC registered too. Whats up with that??? www.puppydogweb.com/caninebreeds/ads/greatdanes.htm |
I agree, if you tell them they are merle, how many backyard breeders/puppy mills do you think tell the truth when they register a litter???? Again, the AKC will register the merle if it doesn't know about it, they don't check the validity of the claims made by puppy mills so what stops them?? nothing |