[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Trump gets it.... (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 6/4/2017 9:12:29 AM EDT
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| MAGA. A well armed citizen IS a critical element of a robust multilayered defense against terrorism. The euros have decided to ignore that and routinely pay for it. Armed citizens obviously won't thwart all attacks...but no single element of a anti-terrorism PPS does. |
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The only problem I could see with armed Americans stopping an attack like the one on London, Paris, or Orlando, is the number of people killed in the crossfire. The Left's sneering attitude about America's 'Wild West' attitude would probably be partially confirmed.
It would still be worth it to ventilate the bad guys and send a message that we are not to he fucked with, I think. |
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The only problem I could see with armed Americans stopping an attack like the one on London, Paris, or Orlando, is the number of people killed in the crossfire. The Left's sneering attitude about America's 'Wild West' attitude would probably be partially confirmed. It would still be worth it to ventilate the bad guys and send a message that we are not to he fucked with, I think. |
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The only problem I could see with armed Americans stopping an attack like the one on London, Paris, or Orlando, is the number of people killed in the crossfire. The Left's sneering attitude about America's 'Wild West' attitude would probably be partially confirmed. It would still be worth it to ventilate the bad guys and send a message that we are not to he fucked with, I think. |
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Does that have a history of occurring in self defense (or similar) shootings not involving a police officer? Quoted:
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The only problem I could see with armed Americans stopping an attack like the one on London, Paris, or Orlando, is the number of people killed in the crossfire. The Left's sneering attitude about America's 'Wild West' attitude would probably be partially confirmed. It would still be worth it to ventilate the bad guys and send a message that we are not to he fucked with, I think. The outcome of armed civilians fighting back with firearms is better than what has happened in Europe, but it's still going to be a shit-show, regardless. Could you imagine being in a gunfight inside the Orlando nightclub? Everyone is in the line of fire and panicking to get out. Scenarios like that are a nightmare for people who train for this kind of thing; so how well will John Q. Public do with his Glock 19? I carry every time I leave the house, and practice often enough to be proficient, but "riding into battle in full glory" is a fantasy that too many here love to insert themselves into. Stopping an attack by terrorists is the right action, but it will be a bloodbath when both sides are shooting. Worth it, still, to send a message. |
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This x a hundred trillion. To anyone espousing the "the crossfire theory", roll out some great examples that don't involve government agents. Quoted:
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Does that have a history of occurring in self defense (or similar) shootings not involving a police officer? |
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I don't know, but how do you think it would play out when twenty(random number)armed guys who don't know each other react to a terrorist attack? The smart ones cover their people while some of the gung-ho charge into the fray. Either way, a lot of lead is flying around, and "to whom it may concern" still can hit non-engaged folks. The outcome of armed civilians fighting back with firearms is better than what has happened in Europe, but it's still going to be a shit-show, regardless. Could you imagine being in a gunfight inside the Orlando nightclub? Everyone is in the line of fire and panicking to get out. Scenarios like that are a nightmare for people who train for this kind of thing; so how well will John Q. Public do with his Glock 19? I carry every time I leave the house, and practice often enough to be proficient, but "riding into battle in full glory" is a fantasy that too many here love to insert themselves into. Stopping an attack by terrorists is the right action, but it will be a bloodbath when both sides are shooting. Worth it, still, to send a message. 
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I don't know, but how do you think it would play out when twenty(random number)armed guys who don't know each other react to a terrorist attack? The smart ones cover their people while some of the gung-ho charge into the fray. Either way, a lot of lead is flying around, and "to whom it may concern" still can hit non-engaged folks. The outcome of armed civilians fighting back with firearms is better than what has happened in Europe, but it's still going to be a shit-show, regardless. Could you imagine being in a gunfight inside the Orlando nightclub? Everyone is in the line of fire and panicking to get out. Scenarios like that are a nightmare for people who train for this kind of thing; so how well will John Q. Public do with his Glock 19? I carry every time I leave the house, and practice often enough to be proficient, but "riding into battle in full glory" is a fantasy that too many here love to insert themselves into. Stopping an attack by terrorists is the right action, but it will be a bloodbath when both sides are shooting. Worth it, still, to send a message. Your fantasy doesn't happen because it isn't 50 people pulling guns at once. It'll be one or two armed citizens because invariably most people aren't carrying or aren't in a position to deploy their weapon for whatever reason. Dude in the portland mall that drew his pistol to stop that kid with the AR held his fire and didnt shoot at all, but did thwart the attack. The myth of the blood thirsty trigger happy ccw guy is just that. Gov agents on the other hand pretty regularly barrage an area with bullets and hit innocent people. But let's ignore that, plus that the fact that they likely won't be around in time anyway, and put all our eggs in that basket anyway. |
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] Dont make me change my twitter profile picture. Dont make me do it...because you know whats next? Yes..safety pins. I will not hesitate to put on a safety pin! |
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Get clean shots, watch your background! Quoted:
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I don't know, but how do you think it would play out when twenty(random number)armed guys who don't know each other react to a terrorist attack? The smart ones cover their people while some of the gung-ho charge into the fray. Either way, a lot of lead is flying around, and "to whom it may concern" still can hit non-engaged folks. The outcome of armed civilians fighting back with firearms is better than what has happened in Europe, but it's still going to be a shit-show, regardless. Could you imagine being in a gunfight inside the Orlando nightclub? Everyone is in the line of fire and panicking to get out. Scenarios like that are a nightmare for people who train for this kind of thing; so how well will John Q. Public do with his Glock 19? I carry every time I leave the house, and practice often enough to be proficient, but "riding into battle in full glory" is a fantasy that too many here love to insert themselves into. Stopping an attack by terrorists is the right action, but it will be a bloodbath when both sides are shooting. Worth it, still, to send a message. 
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I think in reality as a CCW holder in these types of terrorist events, you wouldn't go Jack Ryan on them, but instead focus on your own personal threat. The immediate danger to yourself/family right in front of you is where you would be shooting. Less than 20yds maybe. Who would care what is behind the target when your life is immediately threatened unless you're ready to give up your life because there are 20 random people running behind the terrorist. Makes me uncomfortable to realize I'd probably shoot the fucker anyway. |
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There's hundreds of millions of guns im civilians hands and billions of rounds of ammo...and there has been for a century and you have zero examples of your fantasy ever happening even once. Think about that. You sound like the people that wanted to ban bayonet lugs even though there hasn't been a single murder in American history with a bayonet attached to a gun. Your fantasy doesn't happen because it isn't 50 people pulling guns at once. It'll be one or two armed citizens because invariably most people aren't carrying or aren't in a position to deploy their weapon for whatever reason. Dude in the portland mall that drew his pistol to stop that kid with the AR held his fire and didnt shoot at all, but did thwart the attack. The myth of the blood thirsty trigger happy ccw guy is just that. Quoted:
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I don't know, but how do you think it would play out when twenty(random number)armed guys who don't know each other react to a terrorist attack? The smart ones cover their people while some of the gung-ho charge into the fray. Either way, a lot of lead is flying around, and "to whom it may concern" still can hit non-engaged folks. The outcome of armed civilians fighting back with firearms is better than what has happened in Europe, but it's still going to be a shit-show, regardless. Could you imagine being in a gunfight inside the Orlando nightclub? Everyone is in the line of fire and panicking to get out. Scenarios like that are a nightmare for people who train for this kind of thing; so how well will John Q. Public do with his Glock 19? I carry every time I leave the house, and practice often enough to be proficient, but "riding into battle in full glory" is a fantasy that too many here love to insert themselves into. Stopping an attack by terrorists is the right action, but it will be a bloodbath when both sides are shooting. Worth it, still, to send a message. You sound like the people that wanted to ban bayonet lugs even though there hasn't been a single murder in American history with a bayonet attached to a gun. Your fantasy doesn't happen because it isn't 50 people pulling guns at once. It'll be one or two armed citizens because invariably most people aren't carrying or aren't in a position to deploy their weapon for whatever reason. Dude in the portland mall that drew his pistol to stop that kid with the AR held his fire and didnt shoot at all, but did thwart the attack. The myth of the blood thirsty trigger happy ccw guy is just that. You fail at reading or comprehension, probably both. It's not a fantasy of mine, I just stated the obvious. Lots of lead flying around has to end up somewhere, from either direction. Look at the idiot bikers in Waco shooting at each other, before the cops showed up and shot even more of them, for a more realistic example of how humans react when the shooting starts. As for your bayonet analogy, I hope you're not retarded enough to really believe that. If you are, then you have my pity. |
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That's a hard point I've never thought of as someone who carries daily. Know what's behind your target, strafe to find a safe line of fire - we've even seen videos of carriers doing this for real before actually shooting an attacker. But what if there is no clear line, and just a horde of people behind your attacker? Makes me uncomfortable to realize I'd probably shoot the fucker anyway. Quoted:
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I think in reality as a CCW holder in these types of terrorist events, you wouldn't go Jack Ryan on them, but instead focus on your own personal threat. The immediate danger to yourself/family right in front of you is where you would be shooting. Less than 20yds maybe. Who would care what is behind the target when your life is immediately threatened unless you're ready to give up your life because there are 20 random people running behind the terrorist. Makes me uncomfortable to realize I'd probably shoot the fucker anyway. |
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*derisive snort* You fail at reading or comprehension, probably both. It's not a fantasy of mine, I just stated the obvious. Lots of lead flying around has to end up somewhere, from either direction. Look at the idiot bikers in Waco shooting at each other, before the cops showed up and shot even more of them, for a more realistic example of how humans react when the shooting starts. As for your bayonet analogy, I hope you're not retarded enough to really believe that. If you are, then you have my pity. Here's the part where you roll out all of the examples of law abiding citizens killing innocent people accidently while trying to stop terrorists or mass shooters or something similar. The world is waiting with baited breath. |
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Your condescension is no replacement for examples. No one here cares. You're perpetuating a myth. The Waco shootout was gang warfare. The only difference between terrorists and those bikers is a variation in ideology. Here's the part where you roll out all of the examples of law abiding citizens killing innocent people accidently while trying to stop terrorists or mass shooters or something similar. The world is waiting with baited breath. Quoted:
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*derisive snort* You fail at reading or comprehension, probably both. It's not a fantasy of mine, I just stated the obvious. Lots of lead flying around has to end up somewhere, from either direction. Look at the idiot bikers in Waco shooting at each other, before the cops showed up and shot even more of them, for a more realistic example of how humans react when the shooting starts. As for your bayonet analogy, I hope you're not retarded enough to really believe that. If you are, then you have my pity. Here's the part where you roll out all of the examples of law abiding citizens killing innocent people accidently while trying to stop terrorists or mass shooters or something similar. The world is waiting with baited breath.
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... Dude in the portland mall that drew his pistol to stop that kid with the AR held his fire and didnt shoot at all, but did thwart the attack. The myth of the blood thirsty trigger happy ccw guy is just that. Gov agents on the other hand pretty regularly barrage an area with bullets and hit innocent people. But let's ignore that, plus that the fact that they likely won't be around in time anyway, and put all our eggs in that basket anyway. |
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Nah, you win. Arguing with pedantic trolls isn't how I like to spend my time, unless you want to play Rochambeau... Quoted:
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*derisive snort* You fail at reading or comprehension, probably both. It's not a fantasy of mine, I just stated the obvious. Lots of lead flying around has to end up somewhere, from either direction. Look at the idiot bikers in Waco shooting at each other, before the cops showed up and shot even more of them, for a more realistic example of how humans react when the shooting starts. As for your bayonet analogy, I hope you're not retarded enough to really believe that. If you are, then you have my pity. Here's the part where you roll out all of the examples of law abiding citizens killing innocent people accidently while trying to stop terrorists or mass shooters or something similar. The world is waiting with baited breath. |
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The only problem I could see with armed Americans stopping an attack like the one on London, Paris, or Orlando, is the number of people killed in the crossfire. The Left's sneering attitude about America's 'Wild West' attitude would probably be partially confirmed. It would still be worth it to ventilate the bad guys and send a message that we are not to he fucked with, I think. Not to mention the NYPD's issue with 27lb triggers on their guns accidentally striking bystanders in Times Square when shooting some asshole with a knife who jumped out of the crowd and attacked them. |
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Your posts look like like an argument for outlawing concealed carry for citizens. I'm not trolling; just calling it like I see it. Quoted:
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*derisive snort* You fail at reading or comprehension, probably both. It's not a fantasy of mine, I just stated the obvious. Lots of lead flying around has to end up somewhere, from either direction. Look at the idiot bikers in Waco shooting at each other, before the cops showed up and shot even more of them, for a more realistic example of how humans react when the shooting starts. As for your bayonet analogy, I hope you're not retarded enough to really believe that. If you are, then you have my pity. Here's the part where you roll out all of the examples of law abiding citizens killing innocent people accidently while trying to stop terrorists or mass shooters or something similar. The world is waiting with baited breath. I'm all for as many law abiding citizens carrying and training with guns as possible. I carry every time I leave the house, and everyone whom has that ability should do the same. The reality of a gunfight isn't as antiseptic as some here want to believe. A gunfight in a crowded area when the other side is bent on massacring as many as they can, is the stuff of nightmares. Being prepared for that reality is a part of being an Armed Citizen, and collateral damage is something you should expect, bottom line. Have I cleared it up yet, or do I need to be labeled a NeverTrumper or DU troll first? 13'ers... |