[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The Real Origins of ISIS (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/5/2015 12:35:38 PM EDT
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The story of this collection of documents begins at a time when few had yet heard of the "Islamic State." When Iraqi national Haji Bakr traveled to Syria as part of a tiny advance party in late 2012, he had a seemingly absurd plan: IS would capture as much territory as possible in Syria. Then, using Syria as a beachhead, it would invade Iraq.
Bakr took up residence in an inconspicuous house in Tal Rifaat, north of Aleppo. The town was a good choice. In the 1980s, many of its residents had gone to work in the Gulf nations, especially Saudi Arabia. When they returned, some brought along radical convictions and contacts. In 2013, Tal Rifaat would become IS' stronghold in Aleppo Province, with hundreds of fighters stationed there. It was there that the "Lord of the Shadows," as some called him, sketched out the structure of the Islamic State, all the way down to the local level, compiled lists relating to the gradual infiltration of villages and determined who would oversee whom. Using a ballpoint pen, he drew the chains of command in the security apparatus on stationery. Though presumably a coincidence, the stationery was from the Syrian Defense Ministry and bore the letterhead of the department in charge of accommodations and furniture. Islamic State Files Show Structure of Terror Group What Bakr put on paper, page by page, with carefully outlined boxes for individual responsibilities, was nothing less than a blueprint for a takeover. It was not a manifesto of faith, but a technically precise plan for an "Islamic Intelligence State" -- a caliphate run by an organization that resembled East Germany's notorious Stasi domestic intelligence agency. 
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That is interesting and actually worrisome. They took over Syria and Iraq by planting spies, identifying schisms, identifying threats and then using kidnapping and murder to inflict terror while eliminating opponents at the same time. The FBI has been saying that known ISIS fighters have returned to the U.S. after receiving training in Syria and that there are cells in all 50 states. The common wisdom has been that if they had the ability to attack us then they would have...but what if that isn't the case? What if they are encouraging these lone wolf attacks to distract American law enforcement and intelligence while their spies infiltrate local Muslim communities to recruit and gather information, planning and preparing bigger moves like they pulled in Syria and Iraq? Could they overthrow the U.S. government and implement an Islamic State here? No, but the could spread a lot of chaos and terror...IF they are trying to follow the same formula here that they executed in Syria and Iraq. |
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Quoted: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/f/f7/Vasquez_aliens.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120525224707 Look man, all I need to know is where they are. Draw a Mohammed cartoon and they'll come to you. Free target delivery!  |
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Under a President that didn't side with the Islamists, our SOF would have been on the ground finding and exploiting this intel while dismantling this hellish group. Instead, we read it from a foreign newspaper while Christians die. Yup. Our POSIC gives me ZERO faith in our willingness to combat this threat as a nation. He's not playing for the same team that the rest of us are. |
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Under a President that didn't side with the Islamists, our SOF would have been on the ground finding and exploiting this intel while dismantling this hellish group. Instead, we read it from a foreign newspaper while Christians die. Dis da change we hope for, yo! 
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http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2005/08/the_seven_phase.php
The Fifth Phase This will be the point at which an Islamic state, or caliphate, can be declared. The plan is that by this time, between 2013 and 2016, Western influence in the Islamic world will be so reduced and Israel weakened so much, that resistance will not be feared. Al-Qaida hopes that by then the Islamic state will be able to bring about a new world order.
The Sixth Phase Hussein believes that from 2016 onwards there will a period of “total confrontation.” As soon as the caliphate has been declared the “Islamic army” it will instigate the “fight between the believers and the non-believers” which has so often been predicted by Osama bin Laden. |
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That is interesting and actually worrisome. They took over Syria and Iraq by planting spies, identifying schisms, identifying threats and then using kidnapping and murder to inflict terror while eliminating opponents at the same time. The FBI has been saying that known ISIS fighters have returned to the U.S. after receiving training in Syria and that there are cells in all 50 states. The common wisdom has been that if they had the ability to attack us then they would have...but what if that isn't the case? What if they are encouraging these lone wolf attacks to distract American law enforcement and intelligence while their spies infiltrate local Muslim communities to recruit and gather information, planning and preparing bigger moves like they pulled in Syria and Iraq? Could they overthrow the U.S. government and implement an Islamic State here? No, but the could spread a lot of chaos and terror...IF they are trying to follow the same formula here that they executed in Syria and Iraq. I hope that if it comes to that the cells would be rooted out and eliminated with prejudice in short order. Whether the feds like it or not that kind of behavior will quickly be met with retaliation at the local level ranging from raids and arrests to more extreme measures depending on how bad things have gone. Federal inaction due to feelings will not tie the hands of locals for long. |
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I hope that if it comes to that the cells would be rooted out and eliminated with prejudice in short order. Whether the feds like it or not that kind of behavior will quickly be met with retaliation at the local level ranging from raids and arrests to more extreme measures depending on how bad things have gone. Federal inaction due to feelings will not tie the hands of locals for long. Quoted:
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That is interesting and actually worrisome. They took over Syria and Iraq by planting spies, identifying schisms, identifying threats and then using kidnapping and murder to inflict terror while eliminating opponents at the same time. The FBI has been saying that known ISIS fighters have returned to the U.S. after receiving training in Syria and that there are cells in all 50 states. The common wisdom has been that if they had the ability to attack us then they would have...but what if that isn't the case? What if they are encouraging these lone wolf attacks to distract American law enforcement and intelligence while their spies infiltrate local Muslim communities to recruit and gather information, planning and preparing bigger moves like they pulled in Syria and Iraq? Could they overthrow the U.S. government and implement an Islamic State here? No, but the could spread a lot of chaos and terror...IF they are trying to follow the same formula here that they executed in Syria and Iraq. I hope that if it comes to that the cells would be rooted out and eliminated with prejudice in short order. Whether the feds like it or not that kind of behavior will quickly be met with retaliation at the local level ranging from raids and arrests to more extreme measures depending on how bad things have gone. Federal inaction due to feelings will not tie the hands of locals for long. This, if it gets big enough, I would wager that Americans start taking actions into their own hands. |
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Quoted: I hope that if it comes to that the cells would be rooted out and eliminated with prejudice in short order. Whether the feds like it or not that kind of behavior will quickly be met with retaliation at the local level ranging from raids and arrests to more extreme measures depending on how bad things have gone. Federal inaction due to feelings will not tie the hands of locals for long. Quoted: Quoted: That is interesting and actually worrisome. They took over Syria and Iraq by planting spies, identifying schisms, identifying threats and then using kidnapping and murder to inflict terror while eliminating opponents at the same time. The FBI has been saying that known ISIS fighters have returned to the U.S. after receiving training in Syria and that there are cells in all 50 states. The common wisdom has been that if they had the ability to attack us then they would have...but what if that isn't the case? What if they are encouraging these lone wolf attacks to distract American law enforcement and intelligence while their spies infiltrate local Muslim communities to recruit and gather information, planning and preparing bigger moves like they pulled in Syria and Iraq? Could they overthrow the U.S. government and implement an Islamic State here? No, but the could spread a lot of chaos and terror...IF they are trying to follow the same formula here that they executed in Syria and Iraq. I hope that if it comes to that the cells would be rooted out and eliminated with prejudice in short order. Whether the feds like it or not that kind of behavior will quickly be met with retaliation at the local level ranging from raids and arrests to more extreme measures depending on how bad things have gone. Federal inaction due to feelings will not tie the hands of locals for long. I was thinking about this too... So what they did in Syria was gather intel, identify threats and train fighters. Then they kidnapped the threats and over time they began sending out fighters to exert authority. So let's say there are ISIS trained terrorists who have returned to the US. That's what the FBI says has happened. And let's say that there are cells in all 50 states. The FBI says that has happened too. So if these guys are following the Syria formula, then they have embedded themselves into the local Islamic communities, begun gathering intel and seeking recruits. Now let's say they are gathering weapons and training. Wouldn't be hard to do. So let's say that in a metro area, like Dallas, Phoenix, Minneapolis or Washington DC they get a list of targets. We know they have lists of police and military that they are targeting because they have published their hit lists. And they start the Syria formula by kidnapping and murdering people. Then one day, they send out 25, or 50 or 100 fighters to exert authority. Home many police departments would be equipped to respond to and resolve a situation where 50 armed men willing to die stand up and say 'We're in control now!'? What if they don't want to just do a Beslan or 9/11 where they attack as a one time thing and then it's over? What if they want a war? What if they coordinate these things in multiple cities simultaneously? How much havoc could they create? How long would it take to defeat them? How long would it take for other forces, police from other towns or cities or the National Guard to mobilize and reinforce the forces under attack? |
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Under a President that didn't side with the Islamists, our SOF would have been on the ground finding and exploiting this intel while dismantling this hellish group. Instead, we read it from a foreign newspaper while Christians die. The US doesn't base foreign policy off of protecting religious groups. It bases foreign policy off of dominating the naval routes of global sea traffic, and balancing regional power. Right now, that seems to be supporting rebels in Syria who are trying to overthrow Assad because Assad provides access to the Mediterranean for Russia. ISIS also works as a formidable threat to get the Iraqi's more organized, while engaging Iran. It also allows the US to support regional powers and build coalitions, rather than commit US forces to do their dirty work. |
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http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2005/08/the_seven_phase.php The Fifth Phase This will be the point at which an Islamic state, or caliphate, can be declared. The plan is that by this time, between 2013 and 2016, Western influence in the Islamic world will be so reduced and Israel weakened so much, that resistance will not be feared. Al-Qaida hopes that by then the Islamic state will be able to bring about a new world order.
The Sixth Phase Hussein believes that from 2016 onwards there will a period of “total confrontation.” As soon as the caliphate has been declared the “Islamic army” it will instigate the “fight between the believers and the non-believers” which has so often been predicted by Osama bin Laden. The documents that lay out the framework for ISIS are not based on religious goals, but only use useful idiots to do the executions and intimidation for religious motives that already exist in the region. This appears to be more of a foundation for a pre-British border draw re-establishment of a political Caliph that challenges foreign rule. Samir Abd Muhammad al-Khlifawi basically wanted to set up a new political entity using Baathist secret police tactics and procedures, forming a government that wasn't propped up like the one in Baghdad. This blueprint was implemented with astonishing accuracy in the ensuing months. The plan would always begin with the same detail: The group recruited followers under the pretense of opening a Dawah office, an Islamic missionary center. Of those who came to listen to lectures and attend courses on Islamic life, one or two men were selected and instructed to spy on their village and obtain a wide range of information. To that end, Haji Bakr compiled lists such as the following:
* List the powerful families. * Name the powerful individuals in these families. * Find out their sources of income. * Name names and the sizes of (rebel) brigades in the village. * Find out the names of their leaders, who controls the brigades and their political orientation. * Find out their illegal activities (according to Sharia law), which could be used to blackmail them if necessary. He doesn't care about Islam, other than the fact that it provides a convenient, useful tool to influence soldiers to do his bidding. What will be interesting to see is if someone can fill the leadership vacuum, and what spin they might put on all of this. In the Middle East, someone invariably does fill the power vacuum. |
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I was thinking about this too... So let's say that in a metro area, like Dallas, Phoenix, Minneapolis or Washington DC they get a list of targets. We know they have lists of police and military that they are targeting because they have published their hit lists. And they start the Syria formula by kidnapping and murdering people. Then one day, they send out 25, or 50 or 100 fighters to exert authority. Home many police departments would be equipped to respond to and resolve a situation where 50 armed men willing to die stand up and say 'We're in control now!'? What if they don't want to just do a Beslan or 9/11 where they attack as a one time thing and then it's over? What if they want a war? What if they coordinate these things in multiple cities simultaneously? How much havoc could they create? How long would it take to defeat them? How long would it take for other forces, police from other towns or cities or the National Guard to mobilize and reinforce the forces under attack? Quoted:
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I hope that if it comes to that the cells would be rooted out and eliminated with prejudice in short order. Whether the feds like it or not that kind of behavior will quickly be met with retaliation at the local level ranging from raids and arrests to more extreme measures depending on how bad things have gone. Federal inaction due to feelings will not tie the hands of locals for long. I was thinking about this too... So let's say that in a metro area, like Dallas, Phoenix, Minneapolis or Washington DC they get a list of targets. We know they have lists of police and military that they are targeting because they have published their hit lists. And they start the Syria formula by kidnapping and murdering people. Then one day, they send out 25, or 50 or 100 fighters to exert authority. Home many police departments would be equipped to respond to and resolve a situation where 50 armed men willing to die stand up and say 'We're in control now!'? What if they don't want to just do a Beslan or 9/11 where they attack as a one time thing and then it's over? What if they want a war? What if they coordinate these things in multiple cities simultaneously? How much havoc could they create? How long would it take to defeat them? How long would it take for other forces, police from other towns or cities or the National Guard to mobilize and reinforce the forces under attack? It's not going to take too many kidnapped and murdered officials for things to get froggy. I don't see many city/county/state officials just lounging around saying "Did you hear about the chief of police? Someone necklaced him. I hope they catch them." That'll be an all hands on deck, deputize anyone needed to go hunting kind of deal. In a short term battle 50 hadjis could wreak havoc in a locale but as far as winning control of a city/region it isn't going to happen. Not many folks will welcome their new overlords and roll over like the nice subservient classes do in Syria. Add rednecks, gun nuts, military and whoever else decides to get in on the action and hadji would need well supplied divisions to hold land. They can't exactly disappear into the populace here and no one outside of their very small, very insular communities will help them. |
| Interesting stuff. The article suggests that former Iraqi military and intelligence types are the ones really controlling IS and that they are just using the jihadis as cannon fodder. That would seem to have a bright side in that they want to control a country not get themselves killed. Judging by their public displays of savagery I think the religious fanatics still have a big say in what goes on there. |
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I was thinking about this too... So what they did in Syria was gather intel, identify threats and train fighters. Then they kidnapped the threats and over time they began sending out fighters to exert authority. So let's say there are ISIS trained terrorists who have returned to the US. That's what the FBI says has happened. And let's say that there are cells in all 50 states. The FBI says that has happened too. So if these guys are following the Syria formula, then they have embedded themselves into the local Islamic communities, begun gathering intel and seeking recruits. Now let's say they are gathering weapons and training. Wouldn't be hard to do. So let's say that in a metro area, like Dallas, Phoenix, Minneapolis or Washington DC they get a list of targets. We know they have lists of police and military that they are targeting because they have published their hit lists. And they start the Syria formula by kidnapping and murdering people. Then one day, they send out 25, or 50 or 100 fighters to exert authority. Home many police departments would be equipped to respond to and resolve a situation where 50 armed men willing to die stand up and say 'We're in control now!'? What if they don't want to just do a Beslan or 9/11 where they attack as a one time thing and then it's over? What if they want a war? What if they coordinate these things in multiple cities simultaneously? How much havoc could they create? How long would it take to defeat them? How long would it take for other forces, police from other towns or cities or the National Guard to mobilize and reinforce the forces under attack? Quoted:
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That is interesting and actually worrisome. They took over Syria and Iraq by planting spies, identifying schisms, identifying threats and then using kidnapping and murder to inflict terror while eliminating opponents at the same time. The FBI has been saying that known ISIS fighters have returned to the U.S. after receiving training in Syria and that there are cells in all 50 states. The common wisdom has been that if they had the ability to attack us then they would have...but what if that isn't the case? What if they are encouraging these lone wolf attacks to distract American law enforcement and intelligence while their spies infiltrate local Muslim communities to recruit and gather information, planning and preparing bigger moves like they pulled in Syria and Iraq? Could they overthrow the U.S. government and implement an Islamic State here? No, but the could spread a lot of chaos and terror...IF they are trying to follow the same formula here that they executed in Syria and Iraq. I hope that if it comes to that the cells would be rooted out and eliminated with prejudice in short order. Whether the feds like it or not that kind of behavior will quickly be met with retaliation at the local level ranging from raids and arrests to more extreme measures depending on how bad things have gone. Federal inaction due to feelings will not tie the hands of locals for long. I was thinking about this too... So what they did in Syria was gather intel, identify threats and train fighters. Then they kidnapped the threats and over time they began sending out fighters to exert authority. So let's say there are ISIS trained terrorists who have returned to the US. That's what the FBI says has happened. And let's say that there are cells in all 50 states. The FBI says that has happened too. So if these guys are following the Syria formula, then they have embedded themselves into the local Islamic communities, begun gathering intel and seeking recruits. Now let's say they are gathering weapons and training. Wouldn't be hard to do. So let's say that in a metro area, like Dallas, Phoenix, Minneapolis or Washington DC they get a list of targets. We know they have lists of police and military that they are targeting because they have published their hit lists. And they start the Syria formula by kidnapping and murdering people. Then one day, they send out 25, or 50 or 100 fighters to exert authority. Home many police departments would be equipped to respond to and resolve a situation where 50 armed men willing to die stand up and say 'We're in control now!'? What if they don't want to just do a Beslan or 9/11 where they attack as a one time thing and then it's over? What if they want a war? What if they coordinate these things in multiple cities simultaneously? How much havoc could they create? How long would it take to defeat them? How long would it take for other forces, police from other towns or cities or the National Guard to mobilize and reinforce the forces under attack? |
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Quoted: It's not going to take too many kidnapped and murdered officials for things to get froggy. I don't see many city/county/state officials just lounging around saying "Did you hear about the chief of police? Someone necklaced him. I hope they catch them." That'll be an all hands on deck, deputize anyone needed to go hunting kind of deal. In a short term battle 50 hadjis could wreak havoc in a locale but as far as winning control of a city/region it isn't going to happen. Not many folks will welcome their new overlords and roll over like the nice subservient classes do in Syria. Add rednecks, gun nuts, military and whoever else decides to get in on the action and hadji would need well supplied divisions to hold land. They can't exactly disappear into the populace here and no one outside of their very small, very insular communities will help them. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I hope that if it comes to that the cells would be rooted out and eliminated with prejudice in short order. Whether the feds like it or not that kind of behavior will quickly be met with retaliation at the local level ranging from raids and arrests to more extreme measures depending on how bad things have gone. Federal inaction due to feelings will not tie the hands of locals for long. I was thinking about this too... So let's say that in a metro area, like Dallas, Phoenix, Minneapolis or Washington DC they get a list of targets. We know they have lists of police and military that they are targeting because they have published their hit lists. And they start the Syria formula by kidnapping and murdering people. Then one day, they send out 25, or 50 or 100 fighters to exert authority. Home many police departments would be equipped to respond to and resolve a situation where 50 armed men willing to die stand up and say 'We're in control now!'? What if they don't want to just do a Beslan or 9/11 where they attack as a one time thing and then it's over? What if they want a war? What if they coordinate these things in multiple cities simultaneously? How much havoc could they create? How long would it take to defeat them? How long would it take for other forces, police from other towns or cities or the National Guard to mobilize and reinforce the forces under attack? It's not going to take too many kidnapped and murdered officials for things to get froggy. I don't see many city/county/state officials just lounging around saying "Did you hear about the chief of police? Someone necklaced him. I hope they catch them." That'll be an all hands on deck, deputize anyone needed to go hunting kind of deal. In a short term battle 50 hadjis could wreak havoc in a locale but as far as winning control of a city/region it isn't going to happen. Not many folks will welcome their new overlords and roll over like the nice subservient classes do in Syria. Add rednecks, gun nuts, military and whoever else decides to get in on the action and hadji would need well supplied divisions to hold land. They can't exactly disappear into the populace here and no one outside of their very small, very insular communities will help them. Don't kid yourself. There are a few points that I think you're very wrong on. Now, do I think they could take a town and hold it and integrate it into the caliphate while they execute all the Christians and throw the gays off of sky scrapers? No. But, the FBI has admitted a few things. First, they have admitted that "Americans" have gone overseas to fight for ISIS and returned home. They have also admitted that there are ISIS cells in all 50 states. Now, I live in Texas, Dallas/Fort Worth area, and while this is a decidedly Christian area with a lot of whites and hispanics, there is also a 'large' muslim community here. They have a CAIR chapter with a spokes whore that is on the news two or three times per week, there are mosques everywhere, there are muslim owned businesses all over the place, etc. So, is there a community that these people could blend into? Oh hell yes there is! So, say they start kidnapping and murdering officials and community leaders. It becomes all hands on deck for the police after the first one. It maybe becomes all hands on deck for the Feds after two or three. Do they start deputizing Bubba and Joe Bob? No, they don't. Now, let's say that 50 or so of these guys to learn how to handle a gun better than the average gang banger and willing to die for allah. Wouldn't be hard to do in a major metro area like mine. So these guys roll into a suburb and say 'We're in charge now!' and start killing folks. OK, so how many local PDs would be equipped or prepared to deal with that problem? Probably not many. So there is havok, there is chaos, there are murders, there are mass murders. Some gun nuts and red necks kill a few, the police kill some, police from other areas come in and help out...but how long does it take to resolve the situation? A couple hours? Probably more. A couple days? HOLY FUCKING SHIT! Will they take over Garland Texas and add it to the caliphate and use it as a base of operations? No. Could they do a lot of horrible shit by trying to employ the Syria formula here? Yes, I think they could. Could they change America for the worse, possibly forever by trying some shit here? Yes, that would be very likely. Could take over say Garland Texas like they did with these villages in Syria? No. But, what would America look like a week after 25 terrorists initiated Mumbai attack here? What would America look like if we had a few beheadings, or a few Ft. Hoods, or a few shopping malls or Walmarts shot up, or a few more Sandy Hooks, maybe in close timing? What if these assholes had been able to turn Garland into Charlie Hebdo 2? What would America look like then? Is any of this likely? I don't know. I'm not going to worry about it...but I upgraded my carry gun and I'm going to start taking a carbine in the car. |
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Interesting stuff. The article suggests that former Iraqi military and intelligence types are the ones really controlling IS and that they are just using the jihadis as cannon fodder. That would seem to have a bright side in that they want to control a country not get themselves killed. Judging by their public displays of savagery I think the religious fanatics still have a big say in what goes on there. Yes. From that perspective, it doesn't make any sense to attack American targets, since it might be met with a quick and decisive action like was done to the AQI by certain elements of the US SOF community. Now that the head was killed, who will fill the vacuum, and will ISIS take a different direction, or will level-headed former Baathists be able to regain control and maintain the plan. |
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lol How's the weather in Moscow right now? Are they paying you well? Getting your daily potato? |
| I read that whole thing twice. truly fascinating. Scariest of all was the whole "they seemed to just come out of nowhere, overnight" experience in Syria as the moment hit and all the assets mustered. One this is for sure, jihad john might be a goatfucking knuckledragger, but the baathist leadership folks are not. |
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I don't know if we're going to get a well thought out response detailing his view, or another half baked meme. |
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Quoted: http://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-837574-panoV9free-wvvm.jpg The article is well worth the read. Will do , thanks. |
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I read that whole thing twice. truly fascinating. Scariest of all was the whole "they seemed to just come out of nowhere, overnight" experience in Syria as the moment hit and all the assets mustered. One this is for sure, jihad john might be a goatfucking knuckledragger, but the baathist leadership folks are not. Yes, the Baathists have had a little bit of experience with internal security by means of spying, power playing, intimidation, kidnappings at night, and violence when necessary. They were like the Gestapo of Iraq. |
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Quoted: It's not going to take too many kidnapped and murdered officials for things to get froggy. I don't see many city/county/state officials just lounging around saying "Did you hear about the chief of police? Someone necklaced him. I hope they catch them." That'll be an all hands on deck, deputize anyone needed to go hunting kind of deal. In a short term battle 50 hadjis could wreak havoc in a locale but as far as winning control of a city/region it isn't going to happen. Not many folks will welcome their new overlords and roll over like the nice subservient classes do in Syria. Add rednecks, gun nuts, military and whoever else decides to get in on the action and hadji would need well supplied divisions to hold land. They can't exactly disappear into the populace here and no one outside of their very small, very insular communities will help them. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I hope that if it comes to that the cells would be rooted out and eliminated with prejudice in short order. Whether the feds like it or not that kind of behavior will quickly be met with retaliation at the local level ranging from raids and arrests to more extreme measures depending on how bad things have gone. Federal inaction due to feelings will not tie the hands of locals for long. I was thinking about this too... So let's say that in a metro area, like Dallas, Phoenix, Minneapolis or Washington DC they get a list of targets. We know they have lists of police and military that they are targeting because they have published their hit lists. And they start the Syria formula by kidnapping and murdering people. Then one day, they send out 25, or 50 or 100 fighters to exert authority. Home many police departments would be equipped to respond to and resolve a situation where 50 armed men willing to die stand up and say 'We're in control now!'? What if they don't want to just do a Beslan or 9/11 where they attack as a one time thing and then it's over? What if they want a war? What if they coordinate these things in multiple cities simultaneously? How much havoc could they create? How long would it take to defeat them? How long would it take for other forces, police from other towns or cities or the National Guard to mobilize and reinforce the forces under attack? It's not going to take too many kidnapped and murdered officials for things to get froggy. I don't see many city/county/state officials just lounging around saying "Did you hear about the chief of police? Someone necklaced him. I hope they catch them." That'll be an all hands on deck, deputize anyone needed to go hunting kind of deal. In a short term battle 50 hadjis could wreak havoc in a locale but as far as winning control of a city/region it isn't going to happen. Not many folks will welcome their new overlords and roll over like the nice subservient classes do in Syria. Add rednecks, gun nuts, military and whoever else decides to get in on the action and hadji would need well supplied divisions to hold land. They can't exactly disappear into the populace here and no one outside of their very small, very insular communities will help them. lol this. most of ISIS view points line up with the majority over there. |
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lol Go read the documents genius. CIA created A LOT of enemies. |
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http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/f/f7/Vasquez_aliens.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120525224707 Look man, all I need to know is where they are. You shouldn't be too far. 
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"The group recruited followers under the pretense of opening a Dawah office, an Islamic missionary center. Of those who came to listen to lectures and attend courses on Islamic life, one or two men were selected and instructed to spy on their village...."
I always find it interesting how all the little details of a place and its life can be stitched together to form something like a takeover plan for a country. |
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"The group recruited followers under the pretense of opening a Dawah office, an Islamic missionary center. Of those who came to listen to lectures and attend courses on Islamic life, one or two men were selected and instructed to spy on their village...." I always find it interesting how all the little details of a place and its life can be stitched together to form something like a takeover plan for a country. This was the same method that was used by the Muslim Brotherhood to recruit Osama Bin Laden when he was attending boarding school in Saudi Arabia. It's also the same method that was used with the Al Farouq Mosque in Brooklyn, NY, for the immigrants who would assassinate Meir Kahane, blow up the WTC in 1993, and who knows how many others in the US and abroad. Meir Kahane 
With ISIS though, it appears to be more of a Baathist re-conquest in the post-Saddam vacuum. |
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lol Go read the documents genius. CIA created A LOT of enemies. The CIA created the Barbary Pirates? Huh, didn't know that. |