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Posted: 12/6/2001 7:23:35 PM EDT
Check this out: [url]http://www.freestateproject.com[/url] I've already sent in my Statement of Intent. The idea behind this is to get 20,000 people to move to a small state and vote out the socialists, and put in the libertarian and conservatives. This would be a great idea. They would eliminate most laws, and get taxes down to nothing. Then they would opt out and end most if not all federal funding. They would also refuse to allow feds to enforce unconstitutional laws. Secession is even an option, although it would be a very last resort. Check it out and sign on up. You have to promise to move to what ever state is chose in 5 years. Five years isn't long to get up and move. Its more than enough time to find a new job and a new house. This is a long time project, but we might actually see liberty in our lifetimes.
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 7:40:33 PM EDT
That's a tall order. How can 20,000 people affect the poilitics of a state?
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 9:54:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/9/2001 1:56:16 PM EDT by libertyof76]
bunghole: The plan is to find a small state, one where the population is low. When you have a smaller population, 20,000 people can make a difference. Also, the entire population never votes, its only 50% at most, and usually around 15-20%. That makes easy to influence the elections.
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 10:02:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 10:06:55 AM EDT
How about cutting a deal with an Indian Reservation? They are *supposedly* an independant nation? Can you say "$700 M-16's"?
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 10:09:09 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/7/2001 10:15:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/7/2001 10:08:46 AM EDT by DriftPunch]
Libertarians and conservatives by default don't get along. They are just friends now as Democrats/Socialists are more offensive to both of them. Most conservatives don't mind social engineering as a concept. They just don't like its current direction. If it were more oriented toward their beliefs, it would be perfectly fine with them.
Link Posted: 12/8/2001 3:45:18 PM EDT
Small state HUH?.. How does Rhode Island sound?? What ever state they pick it will have to be in the New England area..Those states are all small, even Maine if you look at the actual population not just the size of the state.... BISHOP
Link Posted: 12/8/2001 3:53:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2001 8:04:33 AM EDT by Armed_Scientist]
I say we just insight a revolution in Canda instead. It would be alot easier. I have alot of canadian friends how would go for it. 20,000 guys with 'evil' rifles in Canada would prolly be enought to over throw the socialist. Think up a name and deisgn a flag and we're set!
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 1:32:04 PM EDT
btt
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 2:02:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BISHOP: Small state HUH?.. How does Rhode Island sound?? What ever state they pick it will have to be in the New England area..Those states are all small, even Maine if you look at the actual population not just the size of the state.... BISHOP
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Not small in area, small in population. I think they are thinking of a place like Montana or Idaho, someplace with a really small popualtion. The plus of Montana or Idaho is that most of the people living there are already conservatives.
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 2:18:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 2:21:41 PM EDT
What can 20,000 liberty minded activists do? Jason answers that question here: [url]http://www.freestateproject.com/strategies.htm[/url] here is the list of states currently being considered: Wyoming Vermont Alaska N. Dakota S. Dakota Delaware Montana Rhode Island Hawaii N. Hampshire Maine Idaho Nebraska W. Virgina N. Mexico Nevada New Hampshire is the state that is most favored right now. Find more info here: [url]http://www.freestateproject.com/statedata.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 2:32:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 3:35:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 5:06:32 PM EDT
Hello!! Anybody home??!!?? (Is this thing on?) Earth to you guys!! Get together 20,000 people that are dumb enough to think this would work? That's one shallow gene pool! I think that you guys would last about as long as it took for the beer to run out, then it would got to hell fast. On second thought, I think it's a *great* idea, but believe you'd have better luck with a small Caribbean island or perhaps some piece of South America. Someplace *far* away. Please be sure and renounce your US citizenship, and I'd be happy to contribute to a one-way ticket. G.B. Shaw said that people get the kind of government they deserve. This would be a great test of that theory, doncha know! Seriously now, for one example of how stupid this is just consider this: the anticipated budget for RI for 2002 is 5.145 BILLION DOLLARS. Assume for a second that figure is bloated by beauracracy, and it *really* only takes 1/4 or 1/5 of that to run the state. So, where you gonna get the BILLION DOLLARS it would take to run the state and provide the necessary services to all it's residents? Get real! Bwahahaha! [:P]
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 5:13:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 5:26:03 PM EDT
It's not a "factiod" it's a "fact" (from the RI official published budget). I didn't see any official price to buy a local RI politician in the line items for the budget, so just add whatever it costs to buy one to the $5.145 billion. Sounds pretty cheap! Not raggin' on RI, BTW, just the idiocy of the plan. If people would just think for a second what it actually takes to live in this world, instead of fantasizing about some over-simplified version of life, these topics would never come up- with any seriousness at least.
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 5:31:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 5:43:23 PM EDT
Great! So now you've got all these cheap politicians, you gotta feed 'em... I hear they're a hungry bunch! Can you just fire them all once they are yours? Wouldn't THAT be great! These adolescent escapist fantasies pop up because of a failure to recognize that things are the way they are for a reason. Remember "Lord of The Flies"... People at their best aren't much better than people at their worse. I think these guys wanting to "take over" their over state should just keep drinkin', and sing the Who song "We won't get fooled again" over and over... Congrats on the gun laws, BTW. I, too, wonder why that is.
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 5:47:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/9/2001 5:40:47 PM EDT by raf]
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 6:22:08 PM EDT
Think they'd like to be taken over by these 20,000? [;)]
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 6:23:41 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 7:08:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: Make them an offer they can't refuse. [;)]
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I just wonder who'd you be "bidding" against? [:D]
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 7:13:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 8:32:47 PM EDT
You make it sound like it's already been done... I can't imagine it'd be that cheap, or that easy. Certainly not for something so high minded as "liberty". Lots and lots of cash, perhaps...
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 8:48:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 10:50:50 PM EDT
lib, If they serve purple Kool-aid at the Free State Project meetings, I would strongly advise you not to drink it.
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 1:38:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dave_G: lib, If they serve purple Kool-aid at the Free State Project meetings, I would strongly advise you not to drink it.
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Shhhhh!! [:)]
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 1:45:56 PM EDT
umm RI has a million people, is really really liberal, small and it has no natural resources... how about british columbia, has wildreness, coastline, and probably not many people..
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 1:51:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 1:54:11 PM EDT
well i live in rhode island and we have a great infestation of stupid people.... we cant just kickem all out now can we... hmm texas can succeed right, so can half of the counties in it? say everywhere but dallas and the mexican border towns...
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 1:54:54 PM EDT
Yup! BC. Don't forget to take all of your guns with you.
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 2:02:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 2:17:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2001 2:21:24 PM EDT by Orionfly]
corruption what corruption, its not like the mayor of the capitol is a felon or the highest paid teachers in the state still strike everyear, or millions of dollars in bonds are approved for port development that never gets around to occurring.....
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 2:23:35 PM EDT
Well I'm not really planning to move, but if I was going to, I would vote for Hawaii or New Mexico. Everyplace else is too cold.
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 2:32:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 2:37:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: Well, I don't like the cold, either. BUT, I have a theory: The warmer the average year-round temperature, the greater the percentage of useless bums and layabouts in the general population. This is so for the simple reason that it is EASIER to be a bum in warmer climes, as cold weather requires an active response to it, such as buying clothes and heat, and heating a dwelling. What do y'all think?
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I suspect that is true. Houston sure has more than it's share them. I also don't see where RI, MT, ND, etc. have a significant illegal immigration problem. Another advantage. However, I've been away from the cold climate too long to go back. I'll just have to put up with a few of the problems associated with a warmer climate.
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 2:47:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 6:29:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: Interesting Idea. The Libertarian Party would be the ideal vehicle for this, I suppose. Except that most of the people in the LP are too busy acting like scorpions in a bottle to agree on most anything. BTW, is there still a Libertarian Party now that Harry Browne has been "cleared" of charges of wrongdoing during the last election? I'm waiting for the inevitable schism to occur.
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not a flame, but just curious if you have links concerning Harry Browne being "cleared" of campaign violation charges. Harry Browne is not the Libertarian party. the day that the party becomes a man; is the day i become an independant again. stinging lib
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 6:32:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DriftPunch: Libertarians and conservatives by default don't get along. They are just friends now as Democrats/Socialists are more offensive to both of them. Most conservatives don't mind social engineering as a concept. They just don't like its current direction. If it were more oriented toward their beliefs, it would be perfectly fine with them.
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[:)]left-wing extremists keep calling me a conservative.[:)] liberal-conservative lib free; and make it stay that way
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 6:48:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: Well, I don't like the cold, either. BUT, I have a theory: The warmer the average year-round temperature, the greater the percentage of useless bums and layabouts in the general population. This is so for the simple reason that it is EASIER to be a bum in warmer climes, as cold weather requires an active response to it, such as buying clothes and heat, and heating a dwelling. What do y'all think?
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But why Rhode Island? It's small (Hell, Augusta County VA is twice the size of RI), but has a large, very liberal population, and is surrounded on three sides by shit (Massachusetts on 2 and the polluted Atlantic on the other). Montana would be much better. Half the population, a couple hundred times the size.
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 7:22:43 PM EDT
Why not just liberate Cuba. bribing politicians is one thing, but why not be willing to bleed for it. its beautiful down there, and the Cuban chicks are hot. any change to Cuba would be a positive one. FREE CUBA NOW the 51st state; how about it? no more little kids floating over in tires. tropical lib
Link Posted: 12/11/2001 3:35:52 AM EDT
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