Posted: 10/27/2006 2:52:18 PM EDT
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I can't get my old brand of hollow points anymore, so I'm switching to Federal Hydra-Shoks. Is 3 boxes enough for testing a new (to this gun) brand of hollow points with your gun? How many boxes do y'all usually use? |
That's good expansion all the way around. Maybe there's a reason why hydra-shoks are still in use...they work! |
There are inferior to the HST, and pretty much everything else. Linky 
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For God's sake, there's HST, Golden Sabre, Gold Dot, Ranger T...all these rounds that have been proven more reliable and you decide Hydra-Shoks are what you want? I mean, hell, they're better than dirty words, but come on. |
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I shot a big pumpkin, filled with water, with my G-17 and hydra-shocks. It didn't escape the target. All of the energy was expended within the target and the projectile expanded with textbook performance. If you are ever attacked by blood thirsty punkins, the hydra-shock is the round of choice, hands down. All kidding aside, I will keep my Hydra-Shocks in my pistol. the pumpkin proved to me that the round does what it is designed for. to expand to it's full potential and expend all of it's power within the target. What more do you want? |
WTF? It's all theory untill you put one in a body. You got a body we can try it on? If not. you have to go by what you have and what the manufacturer says. |
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O.P. has done a test on Hydro Shocks here it seems kinda iffy on whether or not they expand reliably. Take it for what you will but it seems if they hit denim they might not expand the way they are designed to. HST's (hydro shock two) have been improved and like anything else why not go with the technological improvements. |
Didn't mean to come across as hostile, sorry. Maybe we could get old_painless to buy some pigs from a butcher like Mythbusters? 
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Exactly...and "what we have" is reams of data from FBI tests showing that HydraShoks tend to clog up and fail to expand after passing through clothing. |
Here are some pictures of Hydar-Shoks I tested a while back. These were shot through two layers of cotton t-shirt material into a Fackler box. All rounds that expanded shed their jackets, either partially or totally.  Close-up of the one that plugged and failed to expand. 
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Once again I have crossed the line and violated arfcom law... Does that make 100 yet? This one quetion alone violates at least 4 arfcom mandates: 1. Using a pistol for self defense when it is well known that "The only use for a pistol is to fight your way to the rifle that you never should have put down." 2. Using a 9mm pistol when it is well known that if you are going to try and defend yourself with a handgun then you must use a caliber starting with 4. 3. Using a Glock instead of a 1911 when it is well known that Glocks will only blow up in your hand. And now: 4. Using Hyrda-shocks when there are several far, far superior rounds available. I guess I might as well shoot myself with my weapon if I'm ever attacked. At least it'll be quick...as long as my clothes don't clog up my ammo anyway. |
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motown_steve: You can choose to shoot whatever you want, but why choose an inferior product? Time and again, the Hydra-Shocks have been shown to be inferior performers due to their failure to expand when shot through cloth. Not only have the "big guys" come to that conclusion, but so have Old_Painless and another poster in this thread. There are plenty of other ammo choices available which perform much more reliably and cost the same. Why not pick one of those? www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=237 |
'Cause that was all they had. If I could still get my 9mm 147 gr. Speer Gold Dots then I would, but I can't find them online and I can't find them in stores. I'm down to my last 100 9mm Gold Dots (I've bought a bunch of 9mms lately and tested most of my supply on them), so I picked up a few boxes of Hydra-shocks. Someone once said 'you don't fight with the weapon you want, you fight with the weapon you have'. ETA - Besides, my philosphy remains that drawing your weapon quickly and accurately firing shots into the COM or CNS of your assailant is still the most important factor. Everything beyond that is fluff. |
www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_37&products_id=121&osCsid=b1c5817b68eb3d747faed4e4de78dc11 www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=176843 Should have just asked. |
I'm sticking with my Hydra-shocks now, on principle. It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong. I am not a big man...and I am not wrong. 
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I carried and trusted Hydra-Shocks for years, it was my first choice, now it is my last. Things change, technology moves forward, now I carry Rangers for my 9mms and my 45acps. My testing with a new round is about 300 rounds before I start to trust it at all. You should try different lots of the same ammunition. |
Teh four outta five beerslayers would agree.  So, didja shoot yerself, or did it blowed up ? |
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Well, whatever ammo you choose, my recommendation is shoot a coupla hundred in an already proved 100% reliable gun before using it as carry ammo. I like to do this in 2 range sessions. First one is in a squeaky clean gun and squeaky clean mags. Second round will be with a filthy gun and filthy mags. |
I bet it would be almost plesant to get shot with Hydrashocks , the way some of you talk.I don't know about you, but by the sounds of it I bet the OP could put 3-5 center of mass quite easily. He seems to PRACTICE with his stuff. I for one would consider you armed well enough, since you practice with your hangun. The previous words you just read on a box in your house transmitted across the netherland that is the net, are just my opinion. Balming |
Practice is key, but don't overestimate your ability when the lead starts flying. There won't be a perfect Weaver stance involved, trigger discipline will go to hell, and carefully aimed shots will be non-existent. How many times have you seen shootouts on "Cops" where they're 2 yards apart, shoot a bunch of times, and yet every shot manages to miss? You plan for a worst case scenario, and that's why it's best to choose a bullet that will put the maximum advantage in your corner. |
I can't belive the idiocy in this thread!  Just because there are more recently engineered rounds, do you people think that good old Hydroshok's are just gonna "bounce off" the bad guys??? Jeez. You sound like a bunch of sheep!  **** N E W S F L A S H **** Hits on target will still put a bad guy down. **** T H I S J U S T I N **** The hardest round to justify is the first one. Continue firing until the threat is defeated. **** W E N O W R E T U R N Y O U T O Y O U R S C H E D U L E D D U B A N T E R ****
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+1 Just trying to help him be the uber tacticaliest he can be. Is that even a word............. |
Good grief, I have seen this like five times on this response. TWO MAGS ARE NOT ENOUGH. The folks who do personal protection/CCW all say that you need a minimum of 200 rounds without malfs to insure Murphy won't be visiting with you the night some scumbag decides its a good idea to take your briefcase. "Yo, homey - that my briefcase?" <blam blam> <blam blam> <BLAM!> |
200 minimum, my carry ammo costs $22/50 for my .45ACP and $18/50 for my 9mm....my life is worth the $170 that I spent to test it. I carry Federal HSTs. |
Agreed. The sound I don't want to hear in a social setting when I've drawn my gun and pulled the trigger is "click." |