Posted: 3/17/2004 10:37:27 AM EDT
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Did a search but did'nt see this issue addressed. I wanted a shorter stock for my post-ban M4A3 but longer that the stubby. I acquired a telestock, set it at the desired length then blind pinned it in two places. The release lever still operates but, of course, the stock does not move. Does the lever need to be pinned as well to be legal? Thanks, |
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The question really comes down to is "Do you think you could argue with a BATFE agent and a Judge IF said agent was to argue that your pinned stock is still a folding stock AND he decided to take you to court?" Personally, I like the abuility to reverse the change but then again I just use traditional A2 stocks on my post-bans. I do have a few "spare" CAR stocks though as you never know when a stock might break! Good Luck... |
| i talked to the atf after the ban, asked the same question, they want to see a solid unit, pin/epoxy, it must never be able to be made operable again, get an aluminum one and weld it, or pin/epoxy the plastic one, fill the channel where the pin slides into the holes, and cut off the knob, pin the release handle in place |
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rkbar15, It would be nice if the ban did go away but I'll bet it won't be gone for long. I'm sure the anti gun zealots will eventually come up with something equally as restrictive or worse. The only question is can they somehow make it retroactive to Sept. 14? I have other telestocks that I can slap on if it does go away and want to be legal in the interim. |
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AFAIK the only opinion letter they have issued is an acceptable way to replace a flash suppresser/grenade launcher and cover a threaded barrel with an approved brake/compensator. In order for the BATF to issue an opinion on fixing a specific telestock you would have to submit a number of samples to them for evaluation. They will destroy them in the process of evaluating them and issue a letter stating their opinion. Keep in mind that this letter will only cover the specific stock and fixing method that you submitted to them. It's unlikely a new ban would be enacted that would prohibit what was previously legal without some type of "grandfathering" clause. It is my understanding that in order to confiscate property you would have to be compensated for your loss. I don't see that happening in this case. |
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rkbar15, Just for the sake of argument let's say I have a post-ban AR and a telestock waiting to be put on. The ban sunsets on Sept. 14 and I slap a telestock on. The following year a similar ban is enacted. How can one prove that the telestock was installed after Sept. 14 and before the new ban? It's always been encumbent upon the individual to prove that a pre-ban was actually manufactured/assembled prior to 1994. |
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Quoted: rkbar15, Just for the sake of argument let's say I have a post-ban AR and a telestock waiting to be put on. The ban sunsets on Sept. 14 and I slap a telestock on. The following year a similar ban is enacted. How can one prove that the telestock was installed after Sept. 14 and before the new ban? It's always been encumbent upon the individual to prove that a pre-ban was actually manufactured/assembled prior to 1994. Mind you I am teasing but... How about a photo of your rifle with all the features described and send a copy of the photo to the BATFE tech branch for authentication? God would they hate us! |
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Quoted: simple !!!! Have the dated reciept for the purchase of the stock, and the days newspaper of the day you installed it, and take a pic with the reciept, paper and lower with serial number and stock visible. File it away for future referrence.. Unfortuantely, photos are only good for showing that something happened [i]on or after[/i] a given date. There's nothing to keep you from storing a stock with the receipt and a newspaper, then taking the picture months later. |
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Quoted: Unfortuantely, photos are only good for showing that something happened [i]on or after[/i] a given date. There's nothing to keep you from storing a stock with the receipt and a newspaper, then taking the picture months later. Get a camer that shows the date for when the picture was taken. I am crossing my fingers on the sunset of the AWB for this very reason. I'm already doing the pee-pee dance waiting. I'm probably buying a telestock and "putting it away" until the ban lifts. Of course if it doesn't, screw it... it's going on anyway. I'll take my chances. Don't be surprised if the Dems are just holding their cards until the last minutes just like they did with S659... they f*cked that whole thing up at the last minute and caught everyone off guard. According to the way the whole sunset process works, from what I have gathered, there should be no question, but we're talking about something that makes no sense but that the Dems love... so you can bet your a$$ they aren't just going to let it go away without kicking and screaming. Best thing you can do is start writing your representatives and the G.W. now and tell them how you feel. Just because we haven't been hearing anything about it doesn't mean there isn't something in the works. To me it's stupid for politicians to fight against it for one reason: it's one more thing that can be taxed and therefor produce a few extra bucks that they can spend.1 Think of how much money will be spent in the first month if the AWB sunsets... I'd be willing to bet there is going to be a rush to buy telestocks, flash hiders, bayonet lugs, pieces and parts... Everyone is going to want to buy stuff before the Dems screw it up again for everyone. Anywho... that's my two cents... after taxes. |
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Camera dates can be changed. Your hypothetical is... well, too hypothetical. I heard a good saying "A good DA can indite a ham samwich." What you need to think about is why. Why would they want to? You are beating your offspring on the front porch and as the police pull up you go inside. They follow and notice your crack lab as they handcuff you then your house will be torn apart and every possible charge they can come up with will be thrown at you. 2nd scenario. You are at the local range and not causing any problems. The newly hired Assistant DA notices your firearm and questions you. You say "I did this when it was legal and it is granfathered." What's his recourse? Why would he push on such a flimsy case? Finally, the possibility of either scenario actually happening is about the same. So do you worry that the day you buy a winning lottery ticket you will be struck dead by lightning? |
| I suppose it might be a little too "paranoid" to think that much into it... of course the dems think the same way, if not worse, which is why we are in this whole mess in the first place. A little too hypothetical, in their case, is allowing citizens to buy a gun with a telestock and bayonet lug. Do they think it will make the guy who buys it go crazy and start shooting up the town? It's just ridiculous to any person who has even a fraction of rational thought. |