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AR15.COM
9/25/2009 7:15:28 AM EDT
What say arfcom? Practical? Tactical? Range Toy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO0YMPVqw-o&feature=player_embedded
9/25/2009 7:16:02 AM EDT
[#1]
Arfcom says NO. gun does nothing well.
9/25/2009 7:17:05 AM EDT
[#2]
Not really, but since when is practicality a gun purchase criteria?
9/25/2009 7:18:18 AM EDT
[#3]
Practical, no.  It could probably be a fun camping gun, though.
9/25/2009 7:19:24 AM EDT
[#4]
I've got a buddy who's got one and loves it. Not my bag though...
9/25/2009 7:20:57 AM EDT
[#5]
I could see it having a place as a boat gun maybe.


9/25/2009 7:23:41 AM EDT
[#6]
I think it has a place for niche applications or as the oddity it is.
9/25/2009 7:24:30 AM EDT
[#7]
"Hey guys! Wanna see the Ugliest gun in my Collection!?"
9/25/2009 7:25:33 AM EDT
[#8]
I bought (3' SS Mag model) one about 2 months ago as a bed side gun. Loaded with 3" 000 buck.

I like it a lot for this application.
9/25/2009 7:25:35 AM EDT
[#9]
I would buy it for it's practicality of being used as a snake gun. Other than that, it's not practical at all.
9/25/2009 7:25:37 AM EDT
[#10]
NO.
9/25/2009 7:27:16 AM EDT
[#11]
Not practical.... But fin as hell to shoot.... Just my .02
9/25/2009 7:28:42 AM EDT
[#12]
The Box O' Truth
9/25/2009 7:30:17 AM EDT
[#13]
Buddy of mine bought one expecting it to be the baddest mofo on the planet, knocking cars on their sides, shooting through schools, etc, etc. I have not seen him that disappointed since he paid a registration fee for a  Corn Hole tournament and drove two hours to get to it, only to find out it was a stupid bean bag game.
9/25/2009 7:33:03 AM EDT
[#14]
Not really.

It's ok as a SD piece when hiking if you're worred about snakes, but that's about all.

It's marketed for personal defense or as a trail gun.  As a trail gun it falls short because 45 long colt doesn't have enough penetration against larger, dangerous critters.

410 bore shot shells also aren't really sufficient for personal defense.  Not enough penetration.

ETA: it's useful if you want a gun that's for both snakes and SD against two legged vermin.  Use birdshot on the trail for snakes and 45 long colt when it's on the nightstand.
9/25/2009 7:33:18 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
I could see it having a place as a boat gun maybe.




In before someone brings up the boating incident...

9/25/2009 7:35:01 AM EDT
[#16]
if we listed every non-practical gun we'd be at it all day.
9/25/2009 7:36:02 AM EDT
[#17]
3" mags with buck shot would be a great home defense gun...slugs wouldn't be too bad in it either.  

Too heavy to for EDC.
9/25/2009 7:49:02 AM EDT
[#18]
Maybe a tackle-box kind of gun...leave it in there just in case.

HH
9/25/2009 7:57:36 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I could see it having a place as a boat gun maybe.




In before someone brings up the boating incident...


Well, I'd have better guns than the Judge for boat defense if I hadn't lost them all on my last cruise.



9/25/2009 8:07:02 AM EDT
[#20]
rifled barrel and shot = donut shot pattern down range.

.410 shells don't hold enough buck shot to be some super duper man stopper.
If you are going to shoot someone justifiably and your choice of ammo is buckshot, make sure to use a shotgun, not a handgun.

The pistol is really only useful for self defense with the .45colt ammo, and then, you are limiting yourself as there isn't a whole lot of .45colt self defense ammo out there.

My recommendation: get a SW 625 or an SW 22-4. Both are chambered in .45acp, and both are quality handguns, the same cannot be said for the Taurus revolvers.
Speed reloads with moon clips are fast and easy and there is a metric shit ton of HST, Got Dot, Ranger T's, etc of .45acp defensive ammo...you just gotta find it in stock
9/25/2009 8:14:22 AM EDT
[#21]
Great snake gun.  

That's about it.
9/25/2009 8:16:52 AM EDT
[#22]
I saw a guy shooting one at the range.  Using a target about 12" square shooting from about 15 feet away the pattern with birdshot was wide open and he was only putting two to three pellets on the paper per shot with buckshot.  Workmanship looked good on the gun but I would say no to self defense and too heavy and bulky for a trail gun.

9/25/2009 8:17:44 AM EDT
[#23]



Quoted:


What say arfcom? Practical? Tactical? Range Toy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO0YMPVqw-o&feature=player_embedded



OP's recent posts pretty much show to be useless. The .410 is entirely too weak to be anything close to a reliable man-stopper, and if you're going to use it with .45LC, you might as well buy something else.



The gun seems to rely mostly on marketing (Shotgun in a pistol package!!!) without people taking the time to consider how weak .410 is out of a short-barreled pistol.



 
9/25/2009 8:20:49 AM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
Arfcom says NO. gun does nothing well.


I wonder if it might make a good woods gun/survival gun.

Use the .410 on rabbits and birds for supper.

Use the .45LC on bad guys, slightly larger game and maybe predators.

It might be pretty good in that role.

Shooting it out with bad guys in the 7-11? I'll take a Glock or a S&W.
9/25/2009 8:23:17 AM EDT
[#25]





Quoted:
I wonder if it might make a good woods gun/survival gun.





Use the .410 on rabbits and birds for supper.








It patterns so fucking pathetically with shot shells that no, it's not even worthwhile in that role.
 
9/25/2009 8:24:56 AM EDT
[#26]



Quoted:


3" mags with buck shot would be a great home defense gun



IF, IF you managed to get a pellet in someone at anything past 10 feet you can expect what, 4-5" of penetration?  



TERRIBLE home defense gun.  



 
9/25/2009 8:25:36 AM EDT
[#27]
Snake gun.

-JC
9/25/2009 8:25:53 AM EDT
[#28]
No.
9/25/2009 8:28:48 AM EDT
[#29]
It sucks.

I still kinda want one.
9/25/2009 8:30:26 AM EDT
[#30]


Man!!  What a great link!!


9/25/2009 8:33:07 AM EDT
[#31]
Practical?  No, not even close.  But its cool and I'd like to own one.  Just wish they'd make it in 20ga.  

9/25/2009 8:34:28 AM EDT
[#32]
My dad has one and thinks it's absolutely the shit.  

Not for me
9/25/2009 8:34:59 AM EDT
[#33]
That BOT guy seems like a really cool guy!

HH
9/25/2009 8:35:02 AM EDT
[#34]
what was that youtube link on the sec page?
9/25/2009 8:36:05 AM EDT
[#35]
Snake gun - nothing more.
9/25/2009 8:38:25 AM EDT
[#36]




Quoted:







Man!! What a great link!!











9/25/2009 8:43:42 AM EDT
[#37]
The loggers/foresters and folsk who spend a lot of time in the woods around here seem to have the only legitimate need for them. They keep the 1st round birdshot for snakes, and the rest .45LC for larger vermin. For them, it makes sense. Most carried a .357 or .44 loaded in a similar fashion and they say thge .410 shotshells work much better on snakes and they don't lose anything with the .45LC.