Posted: 7/13/2008 1:18:56 AM EDT
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"Haha, we got you silly destroyer. Next target... wait, what's that." "OH SHI-" 
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Zero threat… end of. |
"MAD, MAD, MAD!!" |
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During an exercise, shit happens. ASW is definitely one area where I'll keep my opinions to myself. Just about everything to do with ASW is secret or better. Ask people in the Army how often they lose to the OPFOR at NTC. Ask fighter pilots if they lose to the OPFOR pilots at Red Flag. I do wonder how old that picture is. I know the previous CO. |
Far more likely solution if surface ships are in the area: 
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And like some pointed out then, it really depends on the circumstances, specifically, how the exercise was conducted. When the picture was taken, etc. All of which, I'm sure, are classified secret or better. I'm sure this was part of an exercise. I would like to see the full monty results of an exercise using the Navy's new MFTA. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/MFTA-The-US-Navys-New-Towed-Array-for-Naval-Detection-04956/ |
That is the whole point of training is it not? "Die" in training so you don't die when you aren't training. |
Does upper management know that you are doing this? 
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I showed that picture to a former Thunderbirds squadron commander and s&!t-hot F16 driver who has gone up against the F22. His comment: "That picture had to have been a single frame off the camera, and doesn't prove a thing. Pure fluke the F22 was pointed in the right direction to appear like he's locked on. No way that was a kill." |
It would make the British submarines day an adventurous one if one of these were in the area.  Or especially one of these.  This would work too.  
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USN sub skippers would disagree. |
We covered that nonsense last week… www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=729835 |
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I would think that a Seawolf or Virginia class sub should be a bit ahead of anything the British have short of the HMS Astute. But then again I'm sure you know more about this subject than I do. Fuck it. We're going to deploy the sharks with fricken' laser beams on their heads. Now you're fucked. 
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Yes, I can do them too……   And these are pretty good…the UK sub actually presses the tit and fires a warshot…       |
Didn't it come out that that Hornet was 'spawned' by the exercise in perfect position, right behind a Raptor? Or is that the one where the Hornet Jockey got that shot by following a Raptor on approach to land? |
What's in blue is what I'd heard as the real story. Total setup to make it look like a kill. |
Yup...that sub is toast. Back in the day, I was riding USS Tautog, a Sturgeon class boat, for some cross-deck training. I had been a sonar tech in my previous life so I liked hanging out in the sonar shack. The leading ST didn't mind...he just made sure I didn't touch anything.  So, one afternoon, in the middle of an ASWEX, I'm riding second BQQ-5 console and just farting around when I hear a transient that sounds awfully like a SPLASH close aboard. Now at the time, we were playing with a couple of 1052 frigates and their helos, plus a P-3 out of Barber's Point. As soon as I heard the splash, I told the STS-1 watch sup that it might be a sonabuoy and he told the Conn, but with the warning that, "...the skimmer officer" heard it. Shortly thereafter, we all heard one loud ping close aboard. The watch sup checked his gear and said it was the frigate about 4kyds on our beam...but I told him no way...although the base freq was close, the frigate sonar sounds nothing like the omni medium pulse, low power echo ranging nearby. The freq modulation was way off. I told him to remember that "splash" and that it was likely a buoy close aboard. He again reported to the Conn...but didn't agree about the ID. I just sat back and said OK...just wait. I also reminded him that the frigate was just cruising along fat, dumb and happy...and not charging us. She didn't have contact! But someone else sure did because about that time, the TACCO in the P-3 told the buoy he had just dropped to go to constant pinging!  Shortly thereafter there was a buzzing roar overhead and another SPLASH...soon followed by the unmistakable high pitched whine of a torpedo...and close too! The sub CO went fast and deep...but the fish chased us down and then shut down. They got us good. Score one for the good guys! I also rode a P-3 for a day ASW mission. They are amazing ASW platforms...the BEST I've ever seen...bar none. |
As a sailor I rode S-2's and when that gig was over I installed BQQ-5's in Charleston for a few years (later switched to MKXII IFF). I seen both sides of the coin too. The sound of a fish chasing you down is one that sub sailors never forget...especially the dummy that didn't disengage and hit our boat in the sail. 
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Then how's about these:  On a side note, a "quiet sub" can't mask in electromagnetic signature (see the P3-Orion) or hide from the AN/SSQ-* sonobouys those S3B's would drop. It's nice picture but don't bet the bank on it |