[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Taiwan president defiant after China warns that unification is the goal and Force Is an Option (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/3/2019 3:04:40 AM EDT
Taiwan's President Tsai Ing-wen speaks during a press conference at the Presidential Palace in Taipei on Jan 2, 2019. (Photo: AFP/Sam Yeh) TAIPEI: Taiwan's President Tsai Ing-wen said on Wednesday (Jan 2) that the island will not accept a "one country, two systems" political arrangement with China, while stressing that all cross-strait negotiations need to be on a government-to-government basis. "The vast majority in Taiwan resolutely oppose 'one country, two systems'. This is the 'Taiwan consensus'," she told reporters during a news conference at the Presidential Palace in Taipei. "We call on China to bravely step forward for democracy, for only by doing so can it truly understand the people of Taiwan's thinking and insistence." Tsai's comments came after Chinese President Xi Jinping said in a speech on Wednesday that nobody can change the fact that Taiwan is part of China, and that people on both sides of the Taiwan Strait should seek "reunification". 
Chinese President Xi Jinping said on Wednesday (Jan 2) that nobody can change the fact that Taiwan is part of China, and that people on both sides of the Taiwan Strait should seek "reunification". All people in Taiwan must "clearly recognise that Taiwan independence would only bring profound disaster to Taiwan", Xi said. “We make no promise to abandon the use of force, and retain the option of taking all necessary measures,” Mr. Xi said in a section of the speech that drew rousing applause. Those options, he said, could be used against “intervention by external forces.” Mr. Xi’s speech commemorated the 40 years since China laid out a new approach to Taiwan soon after the United States switched diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing at the start of 1979. But the United States has remained Taiwan’s most important partner, and the Trump administration has bolstered some support, to the consternation of Chinese officials. In March, President Trump signed the Taiwan Travel Act, which encourages official government exchanges between the United States and Taiwan. And in June, the United States dedicated a new $250 million unofficial embassy in Taipei. On the last day of 2018, Mr. Trump signed into law the Asia Reassurance Initiative Act, which tries to counter China’s growing military influence. The section of the law on Taiwan reiterates American commitment “to counter efforts to change the status quo and to support peaceful resolution acceptable to both sides of the Taiwan Strait.” It also calls on the American president to send high-level officials to Taiwan and to regularly sell arms to the island. A defiant Tsai on Wednesday warned Beijing that Taiwan's people will never give up the kind of freedoms unseen on the authoritarian mainland. Beijing "must respect the insistence of 23 million people for freedom and democracy" and "must use peaceful and equal terms to handle our differences", she said. Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/taiwan-president-defiant-china-reunification-call-xi-jinping-11079902 Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/xi-says-nobody-can-change-the-fact-that-taiwan-is-part-of-china-11079206 |
Trump got in on the action too. China mad  Beijing: The signing of U.S. act violates one-China principle |
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Good. As long as Taiwan is willing to stand up for itself, I think we should have Taiwan's back.
Modern western society isn't a robust thing. It's incredibly delicate. The stability of western-style civilization relies on values and practices that are highly counterintuitive to human nature. If the sort of society that we've built over the past few centuries is going to survive, then such societies need to look out for one another. It's nowhere written in stone that this thing is guaranteed to continue. |
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Hon Hai/Foxconn Technology Group, they make Apple's Iphones, it is based in Taiwan, but most of its factories are in China. There are many companies like this in Taiwan/China, just that Hon Hai/Foxconn Technology Group is the biggest.
From Wikipedia: United States[edit]
Main article: Foxconn's Wisconsin plant Foxconn and President Donald Trump announced at the White House on July 26, 2017, that Foxconn will build a US$10 billion flat screen TV manufacturing plant in southeastern Wisconsin.[61][62] The Foxconn deal, promising 13,000 high paying jobs, is the largest corporate attraction deal in U.S. history, in terms of pure number of jobs.[63] Foxconn is expected to contribute $51.5 billion to Wisconsin's GDP over the next 15 years, which is $3.4 billion annually.[64] However, the deal is being criticized for the $3 billion in tax-payer funded incentives given to Foxconn,[65] though every $1 in state incentives is estimated to generate a return of $18 in additional state GDP.[66] Foxconn will also be exempt from an environmental impact statement,[67] water quality certification and permits for some activities on or near waterways, but must comply with air, solid waste and hazardous waste standards.[68] Given water concerns, Foxconn is spending $30 million on zero liquid discharge technology, nearly eliminating any industrial waste water discharge.[63] Foxconn is also required to replace wetlands at a higher ratio than other companies; Foxconn must restore 2 acres of wetland for every 1 acre disturbed instead of the ratio of 1.2 to 1 for other companies.[63] As of October 4, 2017, Foxconn agreed to locate their plant at Mount Pleasant, Wisconsin,[69] and broke ground for the plant June 28, 2018. President Trump was in attendance to promote American manufacturing. |
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Good. As long as Taiwan is willing to stand up for itself, I think we should have Taiwan's back. Modern western society isn't a robust thing. It's incredibly delicate. The stability of western-style civilization relies on values and practices that are highly counterintuitive to human nature. If the sort of society that we've built over the past few centuries is going to survive, then such societies need to look out for one another. It's nowhere written in stone that this thing is guaranteed to continue. Let them fight their own damn wars....ffs how many shitty useless wars we have to fight?? We'll need those bullets for the Marxists here and invading welfare hordes the UN has just invited to live here.... |
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Taiwan isn't modern western society last i checked.... Let them fight their own damn wars....ffs how many shitty useless wars we have to fight?? We'll need those bullets for the Marxists here and invading welfare hordes the UN has just invited to live here.... Quoted:
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Good. As long as Taiwan is willing to stand up for itself, I think we should have Taiwan's back. Modern western society isn't a robust thing. It's incredibly delicate. The stability of western-style civilization relies on values and practices that are highly counterintuitive to human nature. If the sort of society that we've built over the past few centuries is going to survive, then such societies need to look out for one another. It's nowhere written in stone that this thing is guaranteed to continue. Let them fight their own damn wars....ffs how many shitty useless wars we have to fight?? We'll need those bullets for the Marxists here and invading welfare hordes the UN has just invited to live here.... 
You have a lot to learn. . . |
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Taiwan isn't modern western society last i checked.... Let them fight their own damn wars....ffs how many shitty useless wars we have to fight?? We'll need those bullets for the Marxists here and invading welfare hordes the UN has just invited to live here.... |
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Taiwan isn't modern western society last i checked.... Let them fight their own damn wars....ffs how many shitty useless wars we have to fight?? We'll need those bullets for the Marxists here and invading welfare hordes the UN has just invited to live here.... |
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Quoted: They're a democratic nation with real elections, a free market capitalist economy, and freedom of speech. They're a western country by basically any metric. In many ways, they have a better claim to being a westernized country than a few European countries. And who cares if they're the freest country in human history, let them fight their own wars..... |
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Trump says otherwise https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-taiwan-china/trump-signs-u-s-taiwan-travel-bill-angering-china-idUSKCN1GS2SN |
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How is Taiwan's economy? Is it worth annexing them for? |
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Taiwan isn't modern western society last i checked.... Let them fight their own damn wars....ffs how many shitty useless wars we have to fight?? We'll need those bullets for the Marxists here and invading welfare hordes the UN has just invited to live here.... |
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You know nothing, John Snow. Taiwan is a beautiful 1st world country. I've been there several times, and my son is a student there. They are very loyal to the US, and deserve our support against the PRC. Learn something about the topic before you speak. Quoted:
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Taiwan isn't modern western society last i checked.... Let them fight their own damn wars....ffs how many shitty useless wars we have to fight?? We'll need those bullets for the Marxists here and invading welfare hordes the UN has just invited to live here.... I started to write out a quick synopsis of the geopolitical implications of Taiwan coupled with the strategic importance of maintaining the balance of power in the "East China Sea" but frankly he's either incredibly young, naive, or he's trolling. . . . most likely a mix of all three. Not worth the effort. |
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Quoted: They're a democratic nation with real elections, a free market capitalist economy, and freedom of speech. They're a western country by basically any metric. In many ways, they have a better claim to being a westernized country than a few European countries. |
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Hon Hai/Foxconn Technology Group, they make Apple's Iphones, it is based in Taiwan, but most of its factories are in China. There are many companies like this in Taiwan/China, just that Hon Hai/Foxconn Technology Group is the biggest. |
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How is Taiwan's economy? Is it worth annexing them for? Quoted:
How is Taiwan's economy? Is it worth annexing them for? Quoted:
Why specifically do they want Taiwan? |
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Not to mention they're the manufacturer of Wolf Gold (and all the TAA ammunition imported for the US Army when we needed more ammo). Quoted:
Quoted: They're a democratic nation with real elections, a free market capitalist economy, and freedom of speech. They're a western country by basically any metric. In many ways, they have a better claim to being a westernized country than a few European countries. 
That's my favorite range ammo. |
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Taiwan isn't modern western society last i checked.... Let them fight their own damn wars....ffs how many shitty useless wars we have to fight?? We'll need those bullets for the Marxists here and invading welfare hordes the UN has just invited to live here.... |
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Not to mention they're the manufacturer of Wolf Gold (and all the TAA ammunition imported for the US Army when we needed more ammo). Quoted:
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For one thing, when Chiang Kai-shek fled to Taiwan after the communist takeover of mainland China, he took all of the national treasures with him! China wants all of that history back. Quoted:
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Why specifically do they want Taiwan? |
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So they can destroy it like they have done to nearly everything else on the mainland? Quoted:
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How much pain could Taiwan inflict on mainland China, before they were overrun? 10-20 million casualties, tops? Depending on the breaks? Can China invade Taiwan within a year? Part 1/2: Balance of air/naval power (with US being neutral) Binkov's Battlegrounds: Can China invade Taiwan within a year? Part 1/2  Could Chinese military really invade Taiwan if US was neutral? Part 1/2 |
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You won't get any argument from me. Quoted:
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The Taiwan government is the only legitimate Chinese government. Change my mind. 
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I've always been in favor of giving Taiwan nukes so if the commies ever do nut up and try something at least Taiwan can ruin them completely. Xi would likely think twice if taking Taiwan meant every important city on the mainland would be a smoking, irradiated crater. Quoted:
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The Taiwan government is the only legitimate Chinese government. Change my mind. But if the USA did arm Taiwan with nukes, Xi would invoke JFK's doctrine of "they nuke us, we nuke you". |
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They are still not a western society....they are a capitalistic Occidental nation. And who cares if they're the freest country in human history, let them fight their own wars..... Quoted:
Quoted: They're a democratic nation with real elections, a free market capitalist economy, and freedom of speech. They're a western country by basically any metric. In many ways, they have a better claim to being a westernized country than a few European countries. And who cares if they're the freest country in human history, let them fight their own wars..... |
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They're a democratic nation with real elections, a free market capitalist economy, and freedom of speech. They're a western country by basically any metric. In many ways, they have a better claim to being a westernized country than a few European countries. Quoted:
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Taiwan isn't modern western society last i checked.... Let them fight their own damn wars....ffs how many shitty useless wars we have to fight?? We'll need those bullets for the Marxists here and invading welfare hordes the UN has just invited to live here.... |
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Taiwan is Reverse-Engineering Fighter Jet Engines To Power a Cruise Missile
By Kyle Mizokami Jan 4, 2019 
Taiwan thinks it needs new long-range weapons to keep China at bay, and now it has an innovative (if weird) solution. The nation is reportedly pulling engines out of old fighter jets to figure out how to make one for a cruise missile. Over the years, Taiwan bought or produced 308 Tiger IIs, including 242 single seat -E versions and 66 two seat -F versions. Now a report in the Taiwanese press states that Taiwan’s Chinese Academy of Sciences, in conjunction with the Republic of China Air Force, is pulling engines from decommissioned Tiger IIs with the hopes of producing a “simplified, improved” turbojet engine expected to go into a new missile to threaten China. Why is Taiwan going to all this reverse-engineering trouble? The island split from China in 1949, the result of a bloody civil war, and the old Republic of China government fled to the island after communist forces won victory on the mainland. Over the decades, Beijing has repeatedly threatened to invade and complete its victory, a idea that becomes more plausible with each passing year as China’s military strength grows. One way for Taiwan to prevent invasion is to hold targets on the mainland at risk. The Formosa Strait separating the two countries is only 110 miles long, so a cruise missile with a 300-mile range could strike targets more than 150 miles inside mainland China, threatening airfields, ports, command centers, and anything else that would support an invasion. A pre-emptive strike against such targets could disrupt, delay, or even cancel a cross-strait attack before it begins. Taiwan is Reverse-Engineering Fighter Jet Engines To Power a Cruise Missile |
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There's a war gaming video that was recently uploaded that discusses this scenario, with a pretty informative comments section. Can China invade Taiwan within a year? Part 1/2: Balance of air/naval power (with US being neutral) Binkov's Battlegrounds: Can China invade Taiwan within a year? Part 1/2  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z67BZ1T0ehUQuoted:
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How much pain could Taiwan inflict on mainland China, before they were overrun? 10-20 million casualties, tops? Depending on the breaks? Can China invade Taiwan within a year? Part 1/2: Balance of air/naval power (with US being neutral) Binkov's Battlegrounds: Can China invade Taiwan within a year? Part 1/2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z67BZ1T0ehU |
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We should give Taiwan all the tech it needs...they do have decent engineers though... Xi said what he said to the Chinese, it has nothing to do with anybody outside China. Chai ssid what she said to the Taiwanese, same deal. They are making their pastures for their own people to see. China is not going to war with Taiwan, because it doesn't have to. It's choking Taiwan's economy and isolating it diplomatically. It's an island only 110 miles from mainland China. |