[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Sully (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 4/1/2017 3:47:16 PM EDT
| Do people really think this guy is a "hero". As far as I'm concerned he dropped a plane in a river, albeit gently enough that nobody died. Pretty sure any commercial pilot could have done the same thing? |
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Do people really think this guy is a "hero". As far as I'm concerned he dropped a plane in a river, albeit gently enough that nobody died. Pretty sure any commercial pilot could have done the same thing? I think you should ask someone who was on the plane. |
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Pretty sure any commercial pilot could have done the same thing? I'm pretty sure any halfway competent infantryman could do the same thing as a Medal of Honor recipient. I'm sure you could learn to fly airplanes and repeat the same maneuver. But you didn't so why are you shitting on the person that actually did it? |
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Yes but any other pilot in his situation would have landed in the river as well, no? And I very highly doubt very many pilots would have tried a ditch on the Hudson. |
| Sully deserves high praise. Not only did he make a successful water landing in winter, but he had the foresight to put it down in a portion of the river where he had initiated congregation of waters taxis to minimize the amount of time anyone would spend in the water. I want men and women like him on my team. All day, every day! |
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Emergency dead stick landing a freezing river with zero deaths = fucking kickass stick and rudder, kickass decision making, kickass prioritization, kickass CRM... so yea... hero.
Now... even more boss, Denny Fitch and UA232 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232 All the above except no stick or rudder... only throttles... yet majority lived... hero! |
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Said or unsaid, he was trying to protect lives on the ground. He still would've been a hero in my book if the water landing turned into a crash landing.
I bet if you would've asked him before the incident he would've said it would be very unlikely that a large passenger jet would remain intact from an attempted water landing. |
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Military training made all the difference. My uncle was in the Eighth (post WW II) and LeMay made sure the had a lot of dead stick landing pratice. KLGA gave him a good idea where to put the aircraft down. Try to make a runway and probably crash and burn or take the river in a ditching. IIRC Sully did in fact turn on a ditching switch which closed air vents in fuselage before ditching. That in itself is proof he was ahead of the aircraft. |
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Sully deserves high praise. Not only did he make a successful water landing in winter, but he had the foresight to put it down in a portion of the river where he had initiated congregation of waters taxis to minimize the amount of time anyone would spend in the water. I want men and women like him on my team. All day, every day! |
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Coworker used to be a commercial pilot, stated something to the effect that water landings are very difficult and often end badly, as in plane flipping and tumbling. None flipped or cartwheel. Obviously Sully didn't either. Urban Myth. |
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Know personally of 3 single engine, both high wing and low wing aircraft that ditched in the ocean. None flipped or cartwheel. Obviously Sully didn't either. Urban Myth. Quoted:
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Coworker used to be a commercial pilot, stated something to the effect that water landings are very difficult and often end badly, as in plane flipping and tumbling. None flipped or cartwheel. Obviously Sully didn't either. Urban Myth.  Hijacked Air Plane Crash Ethiopian Airlines |
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Coworker used to be a commercial pilot, stated something to the effect that water landings are very difficult and often end badly, as in plane flipping and tumbling. None flipped or cartwheel. Obviously Sully didn't either. Urban Myth.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZyDrpeWoBwUncontrolled flight into terrain I think they call it. |
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That video, next to your avatar is weird.
A thing that cant fly taking off from the water next to a thing that can't swim diving in to the water. |
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Yes but any other pilot in his situation would have landed in the river as well, no? Quoted:
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Nearly all commercial plane crashes result in the death of everyone on board. The wonder pilots who are churned out of the civvy world today are there for only 1 reason, to save the airlines $$, most don't have enough experience to drive a car in heavy traffic little mind save a commercial airliner from a certain crash. Imagine the stress on Sully when those engines shutdown over Manhattan! His US Military training & experience allowed him to responded in a cool & calm manner resulting in Zero loss of life, He deserves all the praise he gets & more! |
| Let's see here.... no simulator could replicate what he did and no one died. Luck was on his side majorly. He could have panicked and the plane would have crashed in NYC killing everyone on the plane and people on the ground. Yet everyone went to bed that night. He's good lucky pilot in my eyes, and a hero to those on the plane. |
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I'm pretty sure any halfway competent infantryman could do the same thing as a Medal of Honor recipient. I'm sure you could learn to fly airplanes and repeat the same maneuver. But you didn't so why are you shitting on the person that actually did it? Quoted:
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Pretty sure any commercial pilot could have done the same thing? I'm pretty sure any halfway competent infantryman could do the same thing as a Medal of Honor recipient. I'm sure you could learn to fly airplanes and repeat the same maneuver. But you didn't so why are you shitting on the person that actually did it? 
This. It's all about what you do. Not what you think you can do. |
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Do people really think this guy is a "hero". As far as I'm concerned he dropped a plane in a river, albeit gently enough that nobody died. Pretty sure any commercial pilot could have done the same thing? Does Deadpool better fit the definition of "hero" to you? |
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Do people really think this guy is a "hero". As far as I'm concerned he dropped a plane in a river, albeit gently enough that nobody died. Pretty sure any commercial pilot could have done the same thing? FWIW - This is the ONLY successful water landing of a Commercial airliner, EVER. And to do it under those conditions, no power, dead stick, low altitude, no other choices, very little time to prepare..... Yes, VERY big HERO - everybody lived. |
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Emergency dead stick landing a freezing river with zero deaths = fucking kickass stick and rudder, kickass decision making, kickass prioritization, kickass CRM... so yea... hero. Now... even more boss, Denny Fitch and UA232 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232 All the above except no stick or rudder... only throttles... yet majority lived... hero! Oh, did I mention the pilot was a convicted drug smuggler? Flight 236 |
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Let's see here.... no simulator could replicate what he did and no one died. Luck was on his side majorly. He could have panicked and the plane would have crashed in NYC killing everyone on the plane and people on the ground. Yet everyone went to bed that night. He's good lucky pilot in my eyes, and a hero to those on the plane. ditching. It didn't, he got lucky but. He did " Fly The Aircraft". Sully Never broke the First Rule. |
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FWIW - This is the ONLY successful water landing of a Commercial airliner, EVER. And to do it under those conditions, no power, dead stick, low altitude, no other choices, very little time to prepare..... Yes, VERY big HERO - everybody lived. Pan Am 6 - Boeing Stratocruiser - 0 deaths in the middle of the Pacific between CONUS and HI... but Captain Ogg did have 3+ hours to prepare and rendezvous with a USCG ship and was powered and able to make practice approaches There was also a NWA DC-7 on a military charter that ditched (under power) with all surviving... Everything else I could find had deaths or was a very small plane. ETA After a thorough search I can only find one other recorded incident where a commercial jet ditched with no deaths... but I'm not sure I believe it: in 1963 a Aeroflot Tu-124 ran out of fuel circling and landed in a river with no deaths... but I don't know if I believe it... Soviets...f |
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Nearly all commercial plane crashes result in the death of everyone on board. Survival rate of passengers on a fatal crash is 24% Statistical Summary of Commercial Jet Airplane Accidents Worldwide Operations | 1959–2015 This is what the NTSB had to say in their final report: “Starting the APU early in the accident sequence proved to be critical because it improved the outcome of the ditching by ensuring that electrical power was available to the airplane. Further, if the captain had not started the APU, the airplane would not have remained in normal law mode. This critical step would not have been completed if the flight crew had simply followed the order of the items in the checklist.” |
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Don't forget the Canadian guy who lost his engines over the Atlantic and dead-sticked into the Azores from 150 miles, gliding 19 minutes in the dark with limited instruments to get there. 304 people on board an A-330. 12 minor injuries from a hard landing. Oh, did I mention the pilot was a convicted drug smuggler? Flight 236 In both UA232 Fitch/Haynes/Records and US1549 Sully/Skiles had unavoidable and instantaneous disasters without warning that should have had far worse results than they managed to pull off. |
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National Airlines 727 Landed in 12 feet water Escambia Bay Florida. Didn't even know they were ditching.
3 fatalities, 55 survivors. Flight 193 |