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8/28/2009 10:25:32 AM EDT
I work at an oil refinery and safety is very important here.

To enforce safety standards employees are encouraged to rat on others that are being unsafe in some way such as driving fast or recklessly, not handling materials correctly, etc.  Snitching is enticed by the promise of monetary rewards to the person who snitches.  If an indecent is not reported your job can be terminated and in some cases the contractor is removed from the site.

I am all for being safe, but being a rat has my ethics senses tingling.

To any of you who work in similar environments where safety is treated in a similar manner, have you ever run into this dilemma?
8/28/2009 10:27:07 AM EDT
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I work at an oil refinery and safety is very important here.



To enforce safety standards employees are encouraged to rat on others that are being unsafe in some way such as driving fast or recklessly, not handling materials correctly, etc.  Snitching is enticed by the promise of monetary rewards to the person who snitches.  If an indecent is not reported your job can be terminated and in some cases the contractor is removed from the site.



I am all for being safe, but being a rat has my ethics senses tingling.



To any of you who work in similar environments where safety is treated in a similar manner, have you ever run into this dilemma?
Where do you work? Sounds like Mrs. Johnson's 3rd grade class?



 
8/28/2009 10:27:59 AM EDT
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Can you be snitched on by the person you were supposed to snitch on for not snitching?
8/28/2009 10:28:51 AM EDT
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Can you be snitched on by the person you were supposed to snitch on for not snitching?


Yep
8/28/2009 10:28:59 AM EDT
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That is a dilemma.  On the one hand, snitches are the lowest form of life on Earth and deserve what they get, but on the other hand, if some jackass is screwing around or cutting corners and it could cause you to get your head blown off, I say that is not snitching.  However, I would call him oln it first before going to the superiors and give him a chance to fix it himself.
8/28/2009 10:29:25 AM EDT
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I work at an oil refinery and safety is very important here.

To enforce safety standards employees are encouraged to rat on others that are being unsafe in some way such as driving fast or recklessly, not handling materials correctly, etc.  Snitching is enticed by the promise of monetary rewards to the person who snitches.  If an indecent is not reported your job can be terminated and in some cases the contractor is removed from the site.

I am all for being safe, but being a rat has my ethics senses tingling.

To any of you who work in similar environments where safety is treated in a similar manner, have you ever run into this dilemma?
Where do you work? Sounds like Mrs. Johnson's 3rd grade class?
 


Just an oil refinery is all I am going to say.
8/28/2009 10:30:27 AM EDT
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Can you be snitched on by the person you were supposed to snitch on for not snitching?


Yep


That sounds like entrapment. That's some bool-sheet.
8/28/2009 10:35:04 AM EDT
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That is a dilemma.  On the one hand, snitches are the lowest form of life on Earth and deserve what they get, but on the other hand, if some jackass is screwing around or cutting corners and it could cause you to get your head blown off, I say that is not snitching.  However, I would call him oln it first before going to the superiors and give him a chance to fix it himself.



As in other posts if an incident isn't reported everyone involved loses their jobs.  Incidents aren't the only thing reported, either.  Near misses are also reported and can be snitched on as well with the same consequences.  So even if nothing bad happens but a person witness an unsafe action that results in a near miss and not an incident it should still be reported.  If were to have knowledge of a near miss that wasn't reported I would get canned, but someone would have to have knowledge of my knowledge and know I didn't snitch.

When an incident occurs it hurts the whole plant and bonuses are lessened as a result.
8/28/2009 10:36:04 AM EDT
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As a nurse, my wife has to write people up occasionally. There is no monetary reward. She's actually written herself up.

There should be no reward for it but I'm not against it in that environment.
8/28/2009 10:36:30 AM EDT
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This sounds like BP bullshit to me.
8/28/2009 10:38:17 AM EDT
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As a nurse, my wife has to write people up occasionally. There is no monetary reward. She's actually written herself up.

There should be no reward for it but I'm not against it in that environment.


^this.  Who's to say they don't make things up for money?  But everyone's safety is at stake.  Everyone's safety involves everyone.
8/28/2009 10:40:22 AM EDT
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I think it's important to let your employees know that when they see safety violations occuring, they should feel free to report them without fear of their identity being known or any other negative consequences.

But that's different from offering monetary rewards for snitching each other out.

I've worked on jobs where others actions directly affected my safety. I usually had no problem whatsoever confronting the individual(s) personally & resolving the issue. But you can't expect everyone to do that, all the time.

There's a fine line between being a tattle-tail, and allowing dangerous behavior to continue unnoticed.

If I were in the position of a manger/owner there, I'd stress the team environment... "You all rely on each other to go home safely at night. So police each other. When you feel your safety's compromised, tell them about it"
8/28/2009 10:42:35 AM EDT
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If it's something that legitimately endangers others, it's not snitching.

I mean, shit, if somebody robs your house, are you not gonna go to the police so you won't be a snitch? Some things aren't your business, and some things are.
8/28/2009 1:33:29 PM EDT
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If it's something that legitimately endangers others, it's not snitching.

I mean, shit, if somebody robs your house, are you not gonna go to the police so you won't be a snitch? Some things aren't your business, and some things are.


+1

While I would generally say that "snitching" is not good, since people should mind their own business, when your job and/or your safety ARE affected, then it's not snitching, it's just part of your job.

Many years ago a guy I used to know was killed in an explosion on an offshore oil rig. Safety is not a joke, and neither is fucking around creating dangerous situations.
8/28/2009 1:36:08 PM EDT
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If it's something that legitimately endangers others, it's not snitching.



I mean, shit, if somebody robs your house, are you not gonna go to the police so you won't be a snitch? Some things aren't your business, and some things are.




+1



While I would generally say that "snitching" is not good, since people should mind their own business, when your job and/or your safety ARE affected, then it's not snitching, it's just part of your job.



Many years ago a guy I used to know was killed in an explosion on an offshore oil rig. Safety is not a joke, and neither is fucking around creating dangerous situations.
What he said. Dropping a dime on a serious safety violation isn't the same thing as a schoolboy telling the teacher who fired the spit wad while her back was turned.