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Posted: 9/21/2005 2:52:43 PM EDT
What is everyones differing opionon;s on this ?

Just curious . . .

right - wrong - In between ?

Dont care ?

Link Posted: 9/21/2005 2:57:00 PM EDT
Entrapment. Pure and simple. What happened to the EVIDENCE? Like the fact the shotgun in question had a non-rebounding firing pin and the measurement technique CLEARLY states measurement rods are to be used with the firing pin RETRACTED.

That is worth 50 thousandths. And an indictment.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 2:59:15 PM EDT
For those interested the tv movie they made about it is being released on DVD in Oct. I've never seen it because I couldn't find it anywhere, but I plan on checkin it out.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 2:59:18 PM EDT
Agreed
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:01:04 PM EDT
Entrapment and murder
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:02:48 PM EDT
The TV movie sucked.

Weaver's book is really good!!!

Lon Horiuchi is a Murderer.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:12:49 PM EDT
What an interesting thread; this has never been discussed on ARFCOM....
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:14:52 PM EDT
My understanding is that the gubmint popped a guy for something, then flipped that guy, threatening to go medieval on charging/sentencing him so that he'd agree to be a CI.

THAT guy was ordered to get Weaver to cut down a shotgun. Weaver did, took it to the feds, they measured it, it wasn't short enough.

Sent him back, Weaver literally pointed to the hacksaw and said do it yourself.

Against his instinct, he did it.

Feds swoop in and threaten similar to para 1 above. Spy on white supremacists or we'll get you.

Weaver won't play ball. Prosecutor threatens to confiscate the family home, which was impossible under the law.

Weaver asked for confirmation that the family home owuldn't get grabbed, they refused, he missed a court date because he was afraid of losing his family home.

Firefight ensued.

That's purely from memory, though.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:21:14 PM EDT
I'm with the government. I am here to help you.


Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:27:26 PM EDT
I guess the moral of the story is that saws should be banned...
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:28:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:30:13 PM EDT
Agreed again . . . I dont know awhole lot about it - and vaguely remeber it - I was born in 84

All i know is what Ive read . . . . Anyone who thinks they can trust the goverment completely to defend them is blind . . .


Link Posted: 9/21/2005 4:29:18 PM EDT
CITADELGRAD, he missed the court date because it was changed and he was not notified.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 4:42:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 4:42:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 4:59:53 PM EDT
MURDER! He was entraped, but there from the Government and were there to help
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 5:01:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lockman:
For those interested the tv movie they made about it is being released on DVD in Oct. I've never seen it because I couldn't find it anywhere, but I plan on checkin it out.



I watched it on TV, Lifetime or something YEARS ago. Will be getting it though
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 5:32:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 5:41:06 PM EDT
Murderer:
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 5:41:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By migradog:
The TV movie sucked.

Weaver's book is really good!!!

Lon Horiuchi is a Murderer.



+1 on all of the above. The movie sucked. The Feds botched this big time. A waste of resources that could have been better spent on real threats. I met Weaver and bought his book. Pretty good read actually. Just goes to show that this s%$t could happen to most anyone in this country if conditions are right.

All the Federal LEO types can flame away now.

SM
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 5:42:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:
Murderer: www.zpub.com/notes/horiuchi2.gif



Looks like one of the beasts involved in the Rape of Nanking.

SM
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 5:49:49 PM EDT
I had an outstanding, multi-page summation (or whatever you call it) of the case. Court official 'findings' and all.

Completely forgot about it when I changed ISPs, etc until now.

Damn.

Link Posted: 9/21/2005 6:17:22 PM EDT
Lon Horuchi needs to redeem himself. Perhaps he can volunteer for Iraq where his skills can be better applied.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 6:18:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 6:40:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 4v50:
Lon Horuchi needs to redeem himself. Perhaps he can volunteer for Iraq where his skills can be better applied.



And then be taken care of by "friendly fire".

SM
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