Posted: 3/27/2015 6:10:25 PM EDT
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Ah, the good ol' days... early 1990's, I used to sit and peruse the Usenet group Rec.guns constantly. I guess it is still going, but looks a bit sparse to me now. |
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Who was the moderator? Magnum? I remember there was no spam as he approved every post. I remember one guy on there that was the greatest gunsmith in his own mind. Until someone asked how to remove the sideplate from a S&W revolver. Expert gunsmith replied that the only way was to "pry it off with a screwdriver". |
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Quoted: I spent lots of time there as well as talk.politics.guns Yep. MANY long debates on talk.politics.guns, many repeat trolls under different domain accounts. Dan Day was frigging MAGIC with his textual analysis tool that compared a suspected poster's posts against his archive of t.p.g posts and caught folks using multiple accounts. VERY proud to see that some of the discussions from there in the early '90's led to research by Clayton Cramer, David Young, and others that helped build the foundation the _Heller_ and _McDonald_ cases were built on. Heck, I'll occasionally go search the archives for some of my own old posts to use in more current arguments... |
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Quoted: Remember that Pim van Meurs guy? The anti-gun troll from the Netherlands (or wherever the hell he was from...) Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I spent lots of time there as well as talk.politics.guns Spent lots of time there. Remember that Pim van Meurs guy? The anti-gun troll from the Netherlands (or wherever the hell he was from...) Yep, he was one of the ones who had troll accounts that Dan Day would sniff out. I suspect many of us have known each other online a LONG time :-) |
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Quoted: Yep, he was one of the ones who had troll accounts that Dan Day would sniff out. I suspect many of us have known each other online a LONG time :-) Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I spent lots of time there as well as talk.politics.guns Spent lots of time there. Remember that Pim van Meurs guy? The anti-gun troll from the Netherlands (or wherever the hell he was from...) Yep, he was one of the ones who had troll accounts that Dan Day would sniff out. I suspect many of us have known each other online a LONG time :-) I stay in touch with Clayton Cramer and David Hardy, lost touch with Dan Day. |
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Haven't checked in 2 or 3 years, but the posts are all still find-able in google. Well after usenet peaked there was a talk.shooters.net? That was pretty good. Until a certain guy (who's name rhymes with Clint) came in and soiled it to death. Plus it died right then. |
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Quoted: Yep, he was one of the ones who had troll accounts that Dan Day would sniff out. I suspect many of us have known each other online a LONG time :-) Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I spent lots of time there as well as talk.politics.guns Spent lots of time there. Remember that Pim van Meurs guy? The anti-gun troll from the Netherlands (or wherever the hell he was from...) Yep, he was one of the ones who had troll accounts that Dan Day would sniff out. I suspect many of us have known each other online a LONG time :-) I could never figure out if Pim was a single person troll, a bunch of trolls sharing an account, or a mental case. Dan was tireless in taking him on. David Morning (The Nit Nurse) was another annoying antigunner (from the UK). |
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Yep. MANY long debates on talk.politics.guns, many repeat trolls under different domain accounts. Dan Day was frigging MAGIC with his textual analysis tool that compared a suspected poster's posts against his archive of t.p.g posts and caught folks using multiple accounts. VERY proud to see that some of the discussions from there in the early '90's led to research by Clayton Cramer, David Young, and others that helped build the foundation the _Heller_ and _McDonald_ cases were built on. Heck, I'll occasionally go search the archives for some of my own old posts to use in more current arguments... Quoted:
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I spent lots of time there as well as talk.politics.guns Yep. MANY long debates on talk.politics.guns, many repeat trolls under different domain accounts. Dan Day was frigging MAGIC with his textual analysis tool that compared a suspected poster's posts against his archive of t.p.g posts and caught folks using multiple accounts. VERY proud to see that some of the discussions from there in the early '90's led to research by Clayton Cramer, David Young, and others that helped build the foundation the _Heller_ and _McDonald_ cases were built on. Heck, I'll occasionally go search the archives for some of my own old posts to use in more current arguments... Sometimes it was hard to tell if somebody was just trolling to troll, or if they were serious and that fucked in the head about gun control. There was one (I can't remember the names they used, but one of them was "bleeding heart" something) that tried to show some support for himself, by making posts agreeing with himself under another name, then launched into a drawn out conversation with himself, and got the accounts mixed up (started making posts from bleeding heart from the other account). Then there was Raptor's Reality Check, who couldn't understand why a triggerlock would not, and could not, prevent theft of a firearm, but believed pro-gun people were mainly anti-government conspiracy nuts that he had to prove wrong. And Randy Douglas... If that wasn't a fabricated persona, he was seriously screwed up (claimed his father beat him when he came out of the closet, worshipped Rosie O'Donnell, etc). ETA: Now I'm drawing a blank on the name of a guy that I saw posting in (if my memory isn't off) talk.politics.guns, rec.guns, and Nashville.general. Wasn't a troll. As I recall, he was a Marine that served in Vietnam, and would occasionally tell stories about his time there. Last I heard of him, was when his wife let somebody in Nashville.general know that the cancer had finally won. 
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Quoted: Sometimes it was hard to tell if somebody was just trolling to troll, or if they were serious and that fucked in the head about gun control. There was one (I can't remember the names they used, but one of them was "bleeding heart" something) that tried to show some support for himself, by making posts agreeing with himself under another name, then launched into a drawn out conversation with himself, and got the accounts mixed up (started making posts from bleeding heart from the other account). Then there was Raptor's Reality Check, who couldn't understand why a triggerlock would not, and could not, prevent theft of a firearm, but believed pro-gun people were mainly anti-government conspiracy nuts that he had to prove wrong. And Randy Douglas... If that wasn't a fabricated persona, he was seriously screwed up (claimed his father beat him when he came out of the closet, worshipped Rosie O'Donnell, etc). ETA: Now I'm drawing a blank on the name of a guy that I saw posting in (if my memory isn't off) talk.politics.guns, rec.guns, and Nashville.general. Wasn't a troll. As I recall, he was a Marine that served in Vietnam, and would occasionally tell stories about his time there. Last I heard of him, was when his wife let somebody in Nashville.general know that the cancer had finally won. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I spent lots of time there as well as talk.politics.guns Yep. MANY long debates on talk.politics.guns, many repeat trolls under different domain accounts. Dan Day was frigging MAGIC with his textual analysis tool that compared a suspected poster's posts against his archive of t.p.g posts and caught folks using multiple accounts. VERY proud to see that some of the discussions from there in the early '90's led to research by Clayton Cramer, David Young, and others that helped build the foundation the _Heller_ and _McDonald_ cases were built on. Heck, I'll occasionally go search the archives for some of my own old posts to use in more current arguments... Sometimes it was hard to tell if somebody was just trolling to troll, or if they were serious and that fucked in the head about gun control. There was one (I can't remember the names they used, but one of them was "bleeding heart" something) that tried to show some support for himself, by making posts agreeing with himself under another name, then launched into a drawn out conversation with himself, and got the accounts mixed up (started making posts from bleeding heart from the other account). Then there was Raptor's Reality Check, who couldn't understand why a triggerlock would not, and could not, prevent theft of a firearm, but believed pro-gun people were mainly anti-government conspiracy nuts that he had to prove wrong. And Randy Douglas... If that wasn't a fabricated persona, he was seriously screwed up (claimed his father beat him when he came out of the closet, worshipped Rosie O'Donnell, etc). ETA: Now I'm drawing a blank on the name of a guy that I saw posting in (if my memory isn't off) talk.politics.guns, rec.guns, and Nashville.general. Wasn't a troll. As I recall, he was a Marine that served in Vietnam, and would occasionally tell stories about his time there. Last I heard of him, was when his wife let somebody in Nashville.general know that the cancer had finally won. Remember the one deranged nut who actually tried to go to the offices of one of the main conservative groups (their big bugaboo before the Koch Brothers), realized they couldn't get any closer, and committed suicide with a gun in the executive washroom? Can't remember what his name was... Like I said, I suspect many of us met back then :-) I know Oleg Volk once told me that I was one of the first friendly faces when he started asking questions on rec.guns, as a young immigrant curious about them... Look where he is now... |
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Remember the one deranged nut who actually tried to go to the offices of one of the main conservative groups (their big bugaboo before the Koch Brothers), realized they couldn't get any closer, and committed suicide with a gun in the executive washroom? Can't remember what his name was... Like I said, I suspect many of us met back then :-) I know Oleg Volk once told me that I was one of the first friendly faces when he started asking questions on rec.guns, as a young immigrant curious about them... Look where he is now... Quoted:
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I spent lots of time there as well as talk.politics.guns Yep. MANY long debates on talk.politics.guns, many repeat trolls under different domain accounts. Dan Day was frigging MAGIC with his textual analysis tool that compared a suspected poster's posts against his archive of t.p.g posts and caught folks using multiple accounts. VERY proud to see that some of the discussions from there in the early '90's led to research by Clayton Cramer, David Young, and others that helped build the foundation the _Heller_ and _McDonald_ cases were built on. Heck, I'll occasionally go search the archives for some of my own old posts to use in more current arguments... Sometimes it was hard to tell if somebody was just trolling to troll, or if they were serious and that fucked in the head about gun control. There was one (I can't remember the names they used, but one of them was "bleeding heart" something) that tried to show some support for himself, by making posts agreeing with himself under another name, then launched into a drawn out conversation with himself, and got the accounts mixed up (started making posts from bleeding heart from the other account). Then there was Raptor's Reality Check, who couldn't understand why a triggerlock would not, and could not, prevent theft of a firearm, but believed pro-gun people were mainly anti-government conspiracy nuts that he had to prove wrong. And Randy Douglas... If that wasn't a fabricated persona, he was seriously screwed up (claimed his father beat him when he came out of the closet, worshipped Rosie O'Donnell, etc). ETA: Now I'm drawing a blank on the name of a guy that I saw posting in (if my memory isn't off) talk.politics.guns, rec.guns, and Nashville.general. Wasn't a troll. As I recall, he was a Marine that served in Vietnam, and would occasionally tell stories about his time there. Last I heard of him, was when his wife let somebody in Nashville.general know that the cancer had finally won. Remember the one deranged nut who actually tried to go to the offices of one of the main conservative groups (their big bugaboo before the Koch Brothers), realized they couldn't get any closer, and committed suicide with a gun in the executive washroom? Can't remember what his name was... Like I said, I suspect many of us met back then :-) I know Oleg Volk once told me that I was one of the first friendly faces when he started asking questions on rec.guns, as a young immigrant curious about them... Look where he is now... I remember something about the nut going to a conservative group's office, but don't recall any details. I occasionally see a name that I recognize, mentioned somewhere. Not really surprising that some would show up here (with different names). Spent some time searching through old usenet posts, using google. Nashville.general apparently hasn't been worth looking at for the last few years. Mostly spam and a few haters/trolls. The guy I was trying to remember, was John Dey. His last post to usenet was apparently in December of 2005, and he died in December of 2006. Couldn't find a post confirming my fuzzy memory that it was cancer, but I'm pretty sure he had been fighting cancer for a while. |
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those are for noobs too.  that stuff came along later when the net got taken over by pervs.Quoted:
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People used to read newsgroups? I didn't know you could do that. I thought they were for porn and piracy. those are for noobs too. that stuff came along later when the net got taken over by pervs.There was porn, back when it was bulletin boards and getting files with ftp addresses. You just had to know where to look for it. And damn was it slow to download a 320 by 200 picture of a topless model. Which one finally allowed recovery of a failed download? X-modem, Z-modem? I can't remember. Really sucked when you had to start all over, if the download failed three quarters of the way through. |
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I could never figure out if Pim was a single person troll, a bunch of trolls sharing an account, or a mental case. Dan was tireless in taking him on. David Morning (The Nit Nurse) was another annoying antigunner (from the UK). Quoted:
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I spent lots of time there as well as talk.politics.guns Spent lots of time there. Remember that Pim van Meurs guy? The anti-gun troll from the Netherlands (or wherever the hell he was from...) Yep, he was one of the ones who had troll accounts that Dan Day would sniff out. I suspect many of us have known each other online a LONG time :-) I could never figure out if Pim was a single person troll, a bunch of trolls sharing an account, or a mental case. Dan was tireless in taking him on. David Morning (The Nit Nurse) was another annoying antigunner (from the UK). Dan Day and the Nit Nurse... Wow.... Haven't heard those names in 20 years. |