Posted: 10/30/2002 9:54:13 AM EDT
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Howdy, Imagine you could go back in time and talk to the founding fathers. You told them how our rights would be taken away like this, and after you got them out of the coma they would fall into, you could give them your suggestion on how the second amendment should be written. What would it be? I want: "Well armed citizenry being essential to protect freedom, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed or restricted in any way." I think that is kind of fool proof. What would you suggest? |
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Quoted: "An armed citizenry being essential to our liberty, no federal, state or local government shall prohibit the possession or carry of any firearm by any citizen of the United States." even with those words.. the bastard .gov folks will simply make a NEW form of gov and say the the FED STATE or LOCAL would never infringe on your rights .. cause it would be illegal.. BUT the new x-section can do that cause no where in the const. does it say the X-.gov can not do it.. so now .. would you pls give your weapons |
| The right of the individual person to bear arms, nessasary to the freedom and security of themselves, their property, and their state, shall not befall restriction, registration, or confiscation, under any circumstances. Furthermore, it shall be noted that any attempt by person, or organized body of persons to subvert this right shall, under the constitution, be subject to revocation of that person's, or that body of person's, civil rights as outlined in this Bill of Rights. |
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Quoted: "An armed citizenry being essential to our liberty, no federal, state or local government shall prohibit the possession or carry of any firearm by any citizen of the United States." Sorry RikWriter, yours would allow violent felons to own firearms, and would have been amended a long time ago. But a good try... I especially like the beginning [i][b]"An armed citizenry being essential to our liberty, no federal, state or local government shall prohibit the possession or carry of any firearm by..."[/b][/i], it's the part after this where we'd lose our ass. It would have to, IMHO, have some stipulation that if you could vote, you could own a gun- any gun. Even the lib's aren't so rabid for gun control that they'd want to take away most of their constituent base's right to vote just to try and ban guns. Edited to add: Funny, talking about rewriting the Constitution for my 1776th post. |
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I think Section 1, Part 4 of the Ohio State Constitution is pretty foolproof, but it still doesn't get us the right to CCW: The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be kept up; and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power. |
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MY RKBA: [b]Amendment II. [/b] a) The right of each individual free person to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, by any level of Government, to any extent whatsoever. Furthermore, any law, ordinance, policy, order, decision or edict that is written or passed at any level of Government or by any branch of Government that does so infringe, restrict or limit an individual person's right to produce, keep or bear arms is null and void. Furthermore, no tax, license, registration fee or fee of any kind shall be imposed at any level of Government upon the production, distribution, sale, transfer, storage, operation or disposal of any arms. b) The term "arms" used throughout the aforementioned clause (a) refers to, but is not necessarily limited to, all firearms of any caliber in any variant, form, configuration or type including but not limited to: Any and all types of handguns, pistols, revolvers, rifles, carbines, shotguns, machineguns, automatic and semiautomatic operating, belt-feed operating or muzzle-loading firearms, c) The term "arms" used throughout the aforementioned clause (a) also refers to, but is not necessarily limited to: Any of the individual parts, components, ammunition or ammunition components for any of the abovementioned firearms or any materials or equipment used for their production. d) The necessity of a well-armed populace comprised of all individuals who freely choose to arm themselves is necessary for the security of a free state against foreign and domestic enemies, personal security against criminals and to prevent the oppression of the people by their Government. e) The right of all individual free people to be armed shall never be infringed. |
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Federal, State, County, City Governments shall make no law or regulations taxing, regulating, restricting the sale, possession, carrying of firearms, or ammunition or firearms accessories in any manner whatsoever. Federal, State, County, City Governments shall enforce no law or regulations restricting the sale, possession, and carrying of firearms or ammunition or firearms accessories in any manner whatsoever. The right to keep and bear firearms is an individual right. Residents of States are required by law to keep weapons that are suitable for military service unless they object on philosophical or religious grounds. Gunowners who acheive an experts rating in Marksmanship as determined by the NRA and or Military standards shall receive a reduction of 50 percent in state and federal income taxes. |
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The citizenry shall be able to be as armed as any federal, state or local government so that the rights and freedon of any man will not be restricted with out the government being armed with the full law as stated by the people. Furthermore,any lawenforcement officer/s unable to keep the peace via the enforcement of the law as stated by the people with out the need to infringe the rights and freedom of others will be found unfit to enforce the law. |
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my second ammendament: =========================== if you want guns go buy them. if you want ammo, go buy it. if you want guna ccesories, go buy it. if you want to carry gun(s), ammo, accesories or any gun product, knife or knife accesory or anyhting like that then do it. no person of any kind or assocition, commitee, brotherhood, governement or anything like that can stop you. go do what you want. .50 cal is cool. if you start killing people with out a good (and i mean DAMN good) reason expect us (whoever the appointed ass kicker is) to kick your ass. =================== i think that is totally fool proof. it's gonna say right in there that .50 cal is cool. |
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Quoted: my second ammendament: =========================== if you want guns go buy them. if you want ammo, go buy it. if you want guna ccesories, go buy it. if you want to carry gun(s), ammo, accesories or any gun product, knife or knife accesory or anyhting like that then do it. no person of any kind or assocition, commitee, brotherhood, governement or anything like that can stop you. go do what you want. .50 cal is cool. if you start killing people with out a good (and i mean DAMN good) reason expect us (whoever the appointed ass kicker is) to kick your ass. =================== i think that is totally fool proof. it's gonna say right in there that .50 cal is cool. Damn! Way to keep it simple!![:D] ROTF!! |
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I'd add something about the average citizen still in full posession of his or her rights having the ability to purchase at a reasonable cost any shoulder or side-arm currently in use by the military. To be honest I'd like to see arms ownership dependant on a little bit of Civil Defense training. Like free ammo and range day four times a year so that you can be checked out and 'qualify' with your "Civil Defense Weapon". I dunno, its just a sketch. |
| I disagree with not restricting any citizen from owning a gun, violent offenders, felons should not. If you can't stay out of trouble with the LAW you are not responsible enough to own a piston or rifle. Even though this will not stop the problem of snipers, robbers, rapist, it's a start. Our laws we have now would work if the LAW would enforce them to the T, instead of slapping them on the wrist & treating them like a child who spilled their milk! How about society crying about killers rights..their sick.. GOD is the only one who should take a life. Screw that attitude & anyone who fells that way reading this. [B]Kill'm all let GOD sort them out ![/B] |
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Quoted: I disagree with not restricting any citizen from owning a gun, violent offenders, felons should not. If you can't stay out of trouble with the LAW you are not responsible enough to own a piston or rifle.... I understand what you are saying. HOWEVER... one must understand the way these friggin bastage liberals think.. By having a "restriction" like this, consider it to be a "loop-hole".. They will take full advantage of this. They'll make something else up to make you(everyone) ineligible/felon. (sad, but true.) |
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Quoted: It seems that they way politicians have found a way around "shall not be infringed" by passing laws that regulate commerce instead of guns. Maybe we would have to put in a clause that says guns can not be regulated using commerce laws. I covered that: Furthermore, any law, ordinance, policy, order, decision or edict that is written or passed at any level of Government or by any branch of Government that does so infringe, restrict or limit an individual person's right to produce, keep or bear arms is null and void. Furthermore, no tax, license, registration fee or fee of any kind shall be imposed at any level of Government upon the production, distribution, sale, transfer, storage, operation or disposal of any arms. |
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"All Americans are required to possess, practice with, and use current military hardware. All articles herein are the absolute property of the individual, and to be used for the defense of our country, against all enemies of the constitution, foreign and domestic." Something else that would be a good addendum... "No less than 10,000 rounds of ammunition for each firearm will be kept. Bump-firing is gay and unnecessary since you can do the full-tilt boodie with your M-16 at all hours of the day." The way you guys have it written, the socialists could impose a 100000% tax on guns and ammo... |
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"All Americans are required to possess, practice with, and use current military hardware, which will be issued to all Americans. All articles herein are the absolute property of the individual, and to be used for the defense of our country, against all enemies of the constitution, foreign and domestic." Something else that would be a good addendum... "No less than 10,000 rounds of ammunition for each firearm will be kept. Bump-firing is gay and unnecessary since you can do the full-tilt boodie with your M-16 at all hours of the day." The way you guys have it written, the socialists could impose a 100000% tax on guns and ammo... |
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Quoted: ... Fuck it. I understand it fine the way it was written. So do I, but scumbags need to have heavy limits set upon them so that the cannot easily pervert a good law as they have done with the 2nd amendment. "No free man of sound mind shall ever be disbarred the use of arms." And if criminals get ahold of weapons, then they must have been rehabilitated enough to re-enter society, right? And if the judge, jury, or prison board screwed up, then they should be tried for malfeasance. And hey, what's to fear? Everybody has the means to go bling bling, right? Not a whole lot of felons are going to want to be doing violence, and in fact when facing armed opposition, they don't. Maybe murder could go back to being a bizarre abberation and curiosity mostly done by irate family members. |
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Keep what's there, but add this: Any public employee or anyone acting on the behalf of a public employee who violates this amendment will be subject to a penalty of death. If said penalty has not been applied by the appropriate government agency within one month of the first violation, any citizen will have the right to carry out the aforementioned punishment with no warning to or consequence from any government agency. |