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Posted: 11/2/2001 8:19:58 PM EDT
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The difference here Rapid_Fire, is that the individual actually showed true aggression against the cops prior to the shooting. This wasn't a guy that the police pulled over an coerced first...or a guy that pulled out his wallet.
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Posted: 11/2/2001 8:24:07 PM EDT
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KNEE JERK[:K]
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Posted: 11/2/2001 8:40:38 PM EDT
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and just what exactly is your point? Good cops die in bad situations all the time. I feel sorry for them and their familys. The problems i have are when idiots with badges think they are god. The bad ones often exacerbate a bad situation by trying to be a bad ass. Thus getting more than just thmselves killed or injured. Either your just trolling or you don't have a clue.
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Posted: 11/2/2001 9:12:03 PM EDT
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Look here, a guy who's never been jacked up before.
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Posted: 11/2/2001 9:18:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: Look here, a guy who's never been jacked up before. I once had a girlfriend that would jack...oh wait. Jacked UP. Nevermind. Yes, I've had a cop jack me up before. Threatening to arrest a 16 year old for making a U-turn at a light where there is no sign stating it can't be done. His excuse, we ran a red light when we drove underneath the light in the other lane, and we didn't put on our blinker when he pulled us over. BUT, if we would consent to a search of our vehicle he would let us go "this time" He really got pissed when I sarcastically mentioned that anyone turning left is also running a red light that they pass underneath... |
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Posted: 11/2/2001 9:26:08 PM EDT
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Officer John Anthony Riojas
San Antonio Police Department, TX Cause of Death: Gunfire End of Watch: February 03, 2001 Date of Incident: February 02, 2001 Age: 37 Tour of Duty: 11 yr Suspect Info: Charged with capital murder Weapon Used: Officer's handgun Officer Riojas died shortly after being shot during a foot chase in a troubled apartment complex. Officer Riojas was able to catch the suspect and a struggle ensued. The suspect was able to gain control of Officer Riojas' weapon and shot him once in the head before fleeing the scene. Other officers were in the area and responded to the gunfire. He was transported to a local hospital where he succumbed to his injuries approximately two hours later. The suspect was arrested several days later and charged with capital murder. Officer Riojas had been with the agency for 11 years and is survived by his wife and two young children. *********************************************** OK, the score so far...A cop pissed you off once... You're a little behind. Rich |
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Posted: 11/2/2001 9:33:20 PM EDT
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Suggested reading:
Rampart Division- LAPD |
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Posted: 11/2/2001 9:34:21 PM EDT
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So now it's me against all the dead cops huh?
No thanks... I won't play your petty games. |
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Posted: 11/2/2001 9:36:41 PM EDT
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Pissed me off? Threatening to arrest a 16 year old for making a LEGAL U-turn? I'd say that's going a little too far. I'd also say that you're a complete dumbass. If I say much else, Goatboy will edit it. So what's the point. Basically, get a freakin clue. There are good and bad cops. We know this. It was never in any doubt. But dying in the line of duty certainly doesn't make them "good" cops. How do we know they hadn't just finished jacking someone up?
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Posted: 11/2/2001 9:46:18 PM EDT
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Lieutenant Clay Medrano
Harrison County Sheriff's Department, TX Cause of Death: Gunfire End of Watch: April 27, 2001 Date of Incident: April 27, 2001 Age: 51 Tour of Duty: 25 yr Suspect Info: Committed suicide Weapon Used: Assault rifle; AK-47 Lieutenant Medrano was shot and killed while he and another officer were serving a mental commitment warrant at a house near Hallsville. The officers went to the scene after receiving reports several days earlier that the man was waving guns in a threatening manner. Lieutenant Medrano was asked to serve the papers because he had deault with the suspect on prior occasions. As the officers arrived the suspect opened fire with a fully automatic AK-47, fatally wounding Lieutenant Medrano and wounding the second deputy. The suspect then drove to his parent's home and committed suicide. Lieutenant Medrano had been with the agency for 15 years and had been in law enforcement for 25 years. ************************************************ You think GB will Lock this thread? Why? Paying homage to fallen peace officers has suddenly become offensive? But If I decide to post porn with it, it would be OK? For the record, Nobody is playing games here. This subject is dead serious. You're quite content to rant on with the Cop Bashing. Right back at ya! Rich |
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Posted: 11/2/2001 9:58:46 PM EDT
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Rapid_Fire,
OK, a few cops have died in the line of duty. So what are you trying to say? Your random examples of cop deaths do nothing to excuse the militaristic constitution trampling of some officers against civilians. |
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Posted: 11/2/2001 10:04:50 PM EDT
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Rapid Fire.
Waco Texas..how many dies in that situation?? And heres another news flash. All jobs have deaths in them. Maybe if you cop folks stop pulling over people for the wrong reasons, ie..stupid traffic stops, people wont be shooting at you as often. T respect cops, but goddamn...not like cops have the only dangerous job out there. sgtar15 |
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Posted: 11/2/2001 10:37:42 PM EDT
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Police Officer Joseph Dan Adams
Lehi Police Department, UT Cause of Death: Gunfire End of Watch: August 04, 2001 Date of Incident: August 03, 2001 Age: 26 Tour of Duty: 4 yr Suspect Info: Shot and wounded Weapon Used: Gun; Unknown type Officer Adams was shot and killed during a traffic stop of a DUI suspect at approximately 1100 hours near the junction of West and I-15. He was working a special four-hour DUI enforcement assignment when he stopped a suspected drunk driver. Officer Adams was attempting to arrest the man after the man failed several field sobriety tests and had managed to handcuff one of the man's wrists. The suspect suddenly pulled out a small caliber handgun and fired a shot over his shoulder, striking Officer Adams. As Officer Adams fell to the ground he was able to draw his weapon and return fire, striking the suspect twice and critically wounding him. The suspect was able to return to his vehicle and flee. Officer Adams was flown to a local hospital where he succumbed to his injuries shortly after midnight. Officer Adams had been with the agency for four years and was survived by his wife and 7-month-old son. ************************************************ So...If we hide in an alley, and don't do our jobs, we won't get hurt. That's a novel approach. But not the job I signed up to do. Rich |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 2:42:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: Suggested reading: Rampart Division- LAPD Suggested reading: "Rampart Division- LAPD: In the words of the C.R.A.S.H. officers accused by asshole Ray Perez." A fuckin' much better read! |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 2:59:11 AM EDT
[#15]
[sleep]
I am taking wagers on who will be the next member with a thread locked[IMG]http://www.freakygamers.com/smilies/s/contrib/aahmed/biggrin.gif[/IMG] By the way Rapid_Fire... Stats show a LEO is killed every 57 hours in this country. The play by play is interesting, but redundant. |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 4:24:14 AM EDT
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Quoted: Rapid Fire. Maybe if you cop folks stop pulling over people for the wrong reasons, ie..stupid traffic stops, people wont be shooting at you as often. sgtar15 What violations do you think are the wrong reasons? |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 4:34:55 AM EDT
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This is turning into a big fu###ing joke. It just reinforces the "us against them" attitude. Ignore this bum......fullclip
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Posted: 11/3/2001 4:42:44 AM EDT
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Hey guys, this stuff is just sad. I give credit where credit is due, and I dish out the blame/flame just as directly. I have been accused of cop bashing before, but the truth is that I truly admire them for the job that they do. The bottom line is that their are certain dangers associated with certain jobs. When you put on the badge/camo/blue suit, you understand those risks and have decided that they can be dealt with on a personal level. I'm not saying that cops lives are less important than others, just that the risk goes with the job. I am sorry for the loss of human life from any profession, and I feel for their families.
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Posted: 11/3/2001 4:45:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Rapid Fire. Maybe if you cop folks stop pulling over people for the wrong reasons, ie..stupid traffic stops, people wont be shooting at you as often. sgtar15 What violations do you think are the wrong reasons? Draw your own conclusions, but... One time I got pulled over for not signaling in a left turn only lane at night. No other cars around except for the cop tailing me. The cops used the stop as their invitation to harass me and illegally search my vehicle. Without asking of course. I was detained on the spot for over an hour and accused of trying to rob a gas station. Wonder what gave them that idea? Many units arrived to assist female officer. Four or five cars including K9. When I asked about the BS turn signal thing, the cop said she would have found a reason to pull me over no matter what. When I brought this up in traffic court, she flat out denied making such a comment. The sgt arrived on the scene and said a whole bunch of shit to my face. Threatening to throw me in jail if I said another word. |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 5:20:14 AM EDT
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INTELLIGENCE VIOLATION!!!!!INTELLIGENCE VIOLATION!!!!!!
Wake up Rapid_Fire someone, he is in the dreaded coma of stupidity. Hundreds of people are killed in accidents every day, and I drive 100 miles every day therefore im a hero too. A cop dies he dies for his job. His rights weren't violated, he wen't into these situations knowingly. The fact that you don't see this just shows how warped your sence of civil liberties are. People like you are why cops are more feared then respected. Cops can do wrong, they do it everyday. Not all but there numbers are growing. Guncrazy223 |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 5:34:22 AM EDT
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Rapid Fire, so if an officer gets shot in the line of duty he is always right? I have several very good friends in several departments. They hold all diffrent ranks from Chief to patrol officer and are men I respect. There are also men in all these same offices that I despise with all my heart and hope will be removed legally. Having rode a Harley extensivly in the 70's until now when it is popular I can tell you there are some very bad eggs out there. I will mention just one. My friend was pulled over for an infraction, I believe it was speeding. I circled the block and stopped back from the officer and my friend, I was about 35 yards behind them. I shut off my bike and looked the other way when I saw the officer writing the ticket, I wanted to not intrude, not my business. Officer gets through writing ticket to my friend and walks back to me. "Hey asshole put out that cigarette!" I said I thought this was a public street sir. He started to pull his duty weapon. I put the smoke out slowly and picked up the butt not wanting a littering citation. Gee I really have great thoughts towards folks like him. I had not said a word or intruded nor moved in his direction. Have a nice day sir! Say the next day this fellow would have been injured or worse in the line of duty because of HIS attitude or ineptness. Then you could have written a wonderfull flowing eulogy about your fallen comrade. Wake up, there are bad officers out there, and some of them have bad things happen to them. I hate that bad things also happen to good officers also. It is a super bad deal and I hope those that do something to them are summarilary dealt with. An officers death doesn't say he was either bad or a good officer, and this death doesn't automatically justify all the mistreatment that rouge officers do. Wake up.
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Posted: 11/3/2001 5:34:48 AM EDT
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You think GB will Lock this thread? Why? Paying homage to fallen peace officers has suddenly become offensive? But If I decide to post porn with it, it would be OK? For the record, Nobody is playing games here. This subject is dead serious. You're quite content to rant on with the Cop Bashing. Right back at ya! Rich There's no homage being paid here, just the death of cops being used to glorify another one being a jackass. |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 6:41:31 AM EDT
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Dude, I don't think ANYONE is advocating harm to LEO's!!
All the rank & file LEO's that quietly go about doing a great job everyday in the USA, laying there lives on the line & dealing with all kinds of other B.S. are appreciated. BUT why can't we call out the few Bad Apples when we see 'em ????? I don't think we're slamming all LEO's everywhere! Any line of work, any profession you have some jerk-offs & idiots. If a FEW A-hole cops get out of line we may call them on it. What's the problem with that??????? All those that do their job & do it well, my hat is off to them. Almost any State Trooper I've encountered here in Texas is very professional & by the book BUT I've met a few real ignorant/arrogant/badge&gun types that inevitably are local deputy Sheriff's or Constables that shouldn't have badges BUT that's the local politics/cronie'ism here with some elected LEO's. Most of the municipal LEO's seem relatively professional too. I guess a lot of it has to do with the quality of the training for each organization. Anyway, use some discretion/judgement to understand the difference between LEO's we thank for their hard work & when we get legitimately pissed off when the system let's a few bad apples run amuck & abuse their power! |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 6:49:27 AM EDT
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What is this rapidfire guys problem. Seen another rant about this yesterday. Is this a response to someone posting that there are bad cops?
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Posted: 11/3/2001 7:13:39 AM EDT
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There are good and bad in every job. for every 1000 cops who do a good job, you hear of one publicized commiting a crime.... for every 1000 priests who help people, you hear of one publicized molesting small boys....for every 1000 auto mechanics that fixes your car right, you hear of one publicized for unnecessary repair charges. the list goes on and one, I am a realist, I believe that there are bad people, and bad people have many talents and will use those talents in bad ways. You don't always know what a person is capable of and when. I also believe that the majority (anything more than 50%...hopefully much more) of people are good. they may be misinformed, misguided, but still good at heart.
I have LEO friends, and hope I never have to attend their funeral. I know there are bad cops out there, and I hope they are taken care of by proper channels, that does not include vigilante or other "bad cop hunters". I will always regret the lose of any LEO who dies in the performance of his duties, but building up the one sided "here's a bad cop" story and not remembering the other 1000 who aren't bad is not realistic. This thread is good, some of it's detractors are misguided. But, you don't have to agree with me, after all I'm No_Expert |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 7:47:07 AM EDT
[#26]
Blah...
[b]ALL YOUR RIGHTS ARE BELONG TO US[/b] Tyler |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 8:04:06 AM EDT
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The Fallen Officer threads were designed to be Anti-cop, lunatic magnets. As you can see, it worked!!! I knew they wouldn't be able to resist. They had worked themselves into a Cop Bashing frenzy. I came along and rained on their party. as you can see, it clearly INFURIATED them..:)
Oh, well...as they say in Russia, Tough Shitzki..:) GB could do this site a WORLD of good, by showing these fanatics the door. Now that they've been drawn out into the light. But at least, the site makes for a good central repository for the FEDs to watch the lunatics at play. Rant on Lunies!!! Rich |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 8:23:30 AM EDT
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So what's your point? I can give dozens of examples of cops doing more harm than good. I'm a charge nurse in an emergency room, and deal with police on an almost daily basis. While most of the time they pass as reasonably professional, a great many of the ones I know, have a chip on their shoulder the size of Texas, arn't very pleasant to be around, and will willingly violate your rights, even assault people without provocation, just to show you they can, and that there is little if anything you can do about it! It's sad to say but I believe many LEO's do more harm than good. I've been openly asked to lie and falsify documentation. I can even name one that is quite simply a criminal with a badge. Yes, I've filed complaints about them to their chain of command. I've even offered sworn afadavids that I personally witnessed them lie, steal, and assault people without provocation, but it has never resulted in anything, but more threats and intimidation directed toward me. I'd "like" to believe that most LEO's are basicly good, or that there are more good cops than bad, but my personal experience doesn't support that belief.
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Posted: 11/3/2001 8:37:27 AM EDT
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Deputy Sheriff William R. Hunter
Butte County Sheriff's Department, CA Cause of Death: Gunfire End of Watch: July 26, 2001 Date of Incident: July 26, 2001 Age: 26 Tour of Duty: 3 yr Suspect Info: Also killed Weapon Used: Gun; Unknown type Deputy Hunter and Lieutenant Leonard Estes were shot and killed after responding to a call involving one neighbor threatening another. As Deputy Hunter responded to the scene the original caller called back and stated that the suspect had stolen a firearm. Deputy Hunter then requested backup and Lieutenant Estes, who was in the area, volunteered and responded to the scene, arriving 19 minutes after Deputy Hunter arrived. When Deputy Hunter had entered the cabin he was ambushed by the suspect as walked around the corner just inside the front door. The suspect shot him in the head, fatally wounding him. As Lieutenant Estes entered the cabin he exchanged shots with the suspect at a range of three feet. Lieutenant Estes' weapon was found with one round left in it and had been jammed when it was struck by one of the suspect's rounds. The exchange of gunfire between Lieutenant Estes and the suspect left both men fatally wounded. When dispatch was unable to reach either officer additional units were sent by the California Highway Patrol. When they arrived they located both cruisers parked in front of the small cabin. The suspect was described as a survivalist who was often seen carrying weapons. Deputy Hunter had been with the agency for three years. ************************************************ Let the profession without fault, cast the first Bash. It damn sure ain't the medical profession..... Rich |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 8:49:35 AM EDT
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Some of the comments in this thread got me to thinking "Gee, how dangerous is being a cop afterall?"
As it turns out, from the standpoint of homicide, police rank pretty high. Topping the list are taxi drivers and chauffeurs, then sherrifs and baliffs, they police officers. Taxi drivers are about twice as likely as sherrifs to be a victim of homicide on the job. Sherrifs are about twice as likely as police officers to be victims. Police are on par with gas station attendents and security guards. Most people are aware that all of these jobs have significantly higher that average risk of violence, although it is kind of shocking that taxi driver is so far ahead of the pack. From the standpoint of overall danger however, the brave taxi driver just barely makes the top ten. Fishermen and timbercutters top the list. Believe it or not, airline pilot makes the top ten as do transportation attendants "aka stewardesses". Apparently as safe as air travel is for the consumer, it is fairly risky for the provider. This is not meant to diparage police officers by any means. It does offer some perspective however. Since the major risk to police officers is homicide, and since police homicides enjoy wide media coverage, there is an impression that police officer is a uniquely dangerous occupation. I don't think that too many people would guess that airline stewardess is a more dangerous line of work than police officer. In fact I have a hard time believing it myself. In particular, the argument that common citizens should abrogate their own civil rights out of deference to the unusually high personal risks that police officers face isn't supported by the facts. |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 9:03:09 AM EDT
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Sergeant Gary Wagers, a 22 year veteran of the California Highway Patrol, was killed on March 15, 2001 in a on duty traffic accident. Wagers is survived by his wife and three grown children.
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Posted: 11/3/2001 9:03:47 AM EDT
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Deputy Sheriff Brandon Hinkle, a member of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department was killed while riding his police motorcycle on February 14, 2001. Hinkle, a 11 year veteran, is survived by his wife.
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Posted: 11/3/2001 9:08:28 AM EDT
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Officer Sean Alesander Nava, a 12 year veteran of the California Highway Patrol, was killed October 28, 2000, by a DUI driver in a on duty accident. Nava is survived by a wife and two children.
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Posted: 11/3/2001 9:09:50 AM EDT
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Police Officer Louis Villalobos, a police officer of the Los Angeles Police Department, died March 17, 2000, as a result of an on duty training accident. Villalobos, a 30 year veteran is survived by four children.
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Posted: 11/3/2001 9:12:32 AM EDT
[#35]
Occupational hazard
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Posted: 11/3/2001 9:14:43 AM EDT
[#36]
Officer Russel Miller, a Chino Police Officer, was struck and killed by a vehicle on February 1, 2000. Miller, a 12 year veteran, is survived by his wife and three children.
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Posted: 11/3/2001 9:14:45 AM EDT
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Some here should try acting thier age......or are they?
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Posted: 11/3/2001 9:18:43 AM EDT
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Inspector Kirk Brookbush, of the San Francisco Police Department, died January 11, 2000 as a result of a on duty helicopter crash. Brookbush, a 27 year veteran, is survived by his wife and two children.
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Posted: 11/3/2001 9:19:15 AM EDT
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Judgement Day For A Police Officer
The police officer stood and faced his Maker, which must always come to pass. He hoped his shoes were shining, just as brightly as his brass. "Step forward now, police officer how shall I deal with you? Have you always turned the other cheek? To your Maker, have you been true?" The police officer, with squared shoulders, said "No sir, I guess I ain't. Because those of us who carry badges can't always be a saint. I've had to work most Sundays and at times my talk was rough, and sometimes I've been violent, because the streets are tough. But I never took a penny, that wasn't mine to keep. Though I worked a lot of overtime when the bills just got too steep. And I never passed by a cry for help though at times I shook with fear, and sometimes, please forgive me, I've wept unmanly tears. I know I don't deserve a place among the people here. They never wanted me around except to calm their fears. But if you have a place for me here, well...it need not be too grand. I never expected or had too much so if you don't...I'll understand." There was silence all around the room where the saints respectfully stood. As the police officer waited quietly, for the judgment...bad or good. "Step forward now, police officer, you've borne your burdens well. Come walk a beat on heaven's streets, You've done your time in hell." |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 1:11:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: Judgement Day For A Police Officer The police officer stood and faced his Maker, which must always come to pass. He hoped his shoes were shining, just as brightly as his brass. "Step forward now, police officer how shall I deal with you? Have you always turned the other cheek? To your Maker, have you been true?" The police officer, with squared shoulders, said "No sir, I guess I ain't. Because those of us who carry badges can't always be a saint. I've had to work most Sundays and at times my talk was rough, and sometimes I've been violent, because the streets are tough. But I never took a penny, that wasn't mine to keep. Though I worked a lot of overtime when the bills just got too steep. And I never passed by a cry for help though at times I shook with fear, and sometimes, please forgive me, I've wept unmanly tears. I know I don't deserve a place among the people here. They never wanted me around except to calm their fears. But if you have a place for me here, well...it need not be too grand. I never expected or had too much so if you don't...I'll understand." There was silence all around the room where the saints respectfully stood. As the police officer waited quietly, for the judgment...bad or good. "Step forward now, police officer, you've borne your burdens well. Come walk a beat on heaven's streets, You've done your time in hell." Thanks QCMGR. A tribute to brave men who do a hard job can be appreciated by all, regardless of their profession. And as for you RAPID FIRE, if you wear a badge your one of those "IGOTBEATUPEVERYDAYANDHADMYLUNCHMONEYTAKENANDNOWIMABADASSCOPANDIMGOINGTOSCREWWITHEVERYBODY" insults to the profession, and if you don't wear a badge I guess your just a PRICK!!! [-!-!-] |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 4:43:27 PM EDT
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>>Let the profession without fault, cast the >>first Bash. It damn sure ain't the medical >>profession.....
>> >>Rich It sure as hell ain't law-enforcement either, but they seem to be the ones with the chip on their shoulders, and an axe to grind here. Sorry Rich, but you sound like you got a bigger problem with it than most! Try making sure your act is clean, and policing your brethren instead of bashing critics, and mabey you'd eventually get a little more respect! |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 5:06:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Look here, a guy who's never been jacked up before. I once had a girlfriend that would jack...oh wait. Jacked UP. Nevermind. Yes, I've had a cop jack me up before. Threatening to arrest a 16 year old for making a U-turn at a light where there is no sign stating it can't be done. His excuse, we ran a red light when we drove underneath the light in the other lane, and we didn't put on our blinker when he pulled us over. BUT, if we would consent to a search of our vehicle he would let us go "this time" He really got pissed when I sarcastically mentioned that anyone turning left is also running a red light that they pass underneath... Yea after all of this he did a u-turn and wen't the other way didnt he! |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 11:23:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: The Fallen Officer threads were designed to be Anti-cop, lunatic magnets. As you can see, it worked!!! I knew they wouldn't be able to resist. They had worked themselves into a Cop Bashing frenzy. I came along and rained on their party. as you can see, it clearly INFURIATED them..:) Oh, well...as they say in Russia, Tough Shitzki..:) GB could do this site a WORLD of good, by showing these fanatics the door. Now that they've been drawn out into the light. But at least, the site makes for a good central repository for the FEDs to watch the lunatics at play. Rant on Lunies!!! Rich So we were set-up huh? Very good work Einstein. What's next in your toybox? |
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Posted: 11/3/2001 11:26:55 PM EDT
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[url]http://www.webleyweb.com/tle/libe57-19991015-02.html[/url]
[url]http://www.nguworld.com/vindex/97/092197vs.htm[/url] Why was Carl Drega arrested that day? New Hampshire Attorney General Phillip McLaughlin pulls out his best weasel words, reporting the troopers had stopped Drega's pickup because of a "perception of defects." Earlier wire accounts reported they were preparing to ticket him for having "rust holes in the bed of his pickup truck." The last straw for the long-suffering Carl Drega came when two local cops pulled him over in the parking lot of a local supermarket a couple years back, and started writing him a ticket for having "rust holes in the bed of his pick-up truck" ... a pick-up truck whose state-issued license plate read: "Live Free Or Die." I'm not celebrating what Carl Drega did. I'm not predicting Nevada's harmless Jim Howard will follow in his footsteps -- nor am I encouraging him to. I'm just saying that occasionally, one of these old-timers who only wants to be left alone can be pushed too far. We can't ask the two cops who pulled Carl Drega over, that last time, what finally made him snap. Nor can we ask his long-term tormentor, the part-time judge and town administrator who Carl Drega sought out, downtown, after he was done with that traffic stop. Because you see, Judge Oesterle, those cops, and that New Hampshire judge ... they're all dead. And no one's pushing Carl Drega around, any more. Yep, just a couple more wholesome cops shot while doing their job. |
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Posted: 11/4/2001 12:19:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: Rapid Fire. Waco Texas..how many dies in that situation?? And heres another news flash. All jobs have deaths in them. Maybe if you cop folks stop pulling over people for the wrong reasons, ie..stupid traffic stops, people wont be shooting at you as often. T respect cops, but goddamn...not like cops have the only dangerous job out there. sgtar15 Define "wrong reason". I stop people for violations of the Vehicle and Traffic Law. |
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Posted: 11/4/2001 2:54:13 PM EDT
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Cops know what they are getting into when they take he job. No one forced them to take it.
Part of that job is placing yourself in life-threatening situations. If they don't want to do that, they shouldn't become cops. Part of that job also is to uphold and defend the Constitution, even if that means placing yourself in greater jeopardy. Often it does. The Army is a better job for those who do not want to worry about pesky things like people's rights. Their job is simply to kill the enemy. People are not the enemy of the cop, criminals are. The hard part is distinguishing between the two. This is what also makes it more dangerous. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. |
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Posted: 11/4/2001 3:40:26 PM EDT
[#47]
So whats the freaking point?
I posted many accounts of innocent citizens killed or violated by SWAT teams not long ago on here, and you know what, they are the ones who had thier rights violated. Who has had real violation...one who takes a job they know is dangerous and gets hurt, or someone who is sleeping in thier bed and gets shot and killed cause some cop is too incompetent to get the right adress? Your statement that anyone who saw this as pointless or disagreed with you should be banned speaks VOLUMES about how you think...... an the whole problem some here have with some in law enfrorcement. |
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Posted: 11/4/2001 3:52:41 PM EDT
[#48]
Quoted: pointless or disagreed with you should be banned speaks VOLUMES about how you think...... an the whole problem some here have with some in law enfrorcement. Maybe he's been reading his history books & getting inspired. Intimidate, Oppress & Eliminate the opposition. Where have we seen that before??? |
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Posted: 11/4/2001 3:59:01 PM EDT
[#49]
I'll put this same reply as I did in this twerps other posts. I find it disgusting that someone would use an LEO's death to make a point in a debate. When someone generalizes anothers point of view to justify theirs it is called PROPAGANDA.... Anti-gunners use it all the time. Don't disrespect these officers and their families with this behavior. It makes someone who is undecided look at your behavior and not your message to make their decision. |
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Posted: 11/4/2001 4:10:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: Bashing frenzy. I came along and rained on their party. as you can see, it clearly INFURIATED them..:) How many of "them" did you actually "infuriate"??? I think your over estimating your impact. 27 individuals replied & only a few seemed pissed Maybe you need to try harder [;D] [:K] |
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