Posted: 8/18/2009 4:22:33 PM EDT
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While watching COPS and SWAT I noticed that the officers usually tell the bad guys to get on the ground. Then they seem to have trouble getting the guys up off the ground. If a guy is not resisting why not tell them to put their hands on a wall or car? It would seem that you could really hurt yourself lifting up a 300lb badguy from the ground. Second question, Why do the officers jump on the guys back and neck while he is on the ground if he isn't resisting? It looks very scary watching someone put so much pressure on a persons neck. Remember this is for the people who are giving the Police no trouble at all not the guys trying to run or resisting. Thanks. I'm looking out for your backs and the bad guys necks.
Just for the record I'm rooting for the good guys. 
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Control and safety. Taking someone into custody that has been violent or resistive is a handful. Many a cop has been injured or killed because of someone coming off the car or wall. Here's an example of someone not putting their hands on the car:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDNCaEHXUc
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| i dont have them put their hands against the wall or a car because it gives them something to push off against into me. seen a fellow officer take an elbow to the chin cause he had suspects hands on the car and wasnt paying attention to what he should have been doing. |
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While watching COPS and SWAT I noticed that the officers usually tell the bad guys to get on the ground. Then they seem to have trouble getting the guys up off the ground. If a guy is not resisting why not tell them to put their hands on a wall or car? It would seem that you could really hurt yourself lifting up a 300lb badguy from the ground. Second question, Why do the officers jump on the guys back and neck while he is on the ground if he isn't resisting? It looks very scary watching someone put so much pressure on a persons neck. Remember this is for the people who are giving the Police no trouble at all not the guys trying to run or resisting. Thanks. I'm looking out for your backs and the bad guys necks. Just for the record I'm rooting for the good guys.
My post is not sponsored by AR15.com or any gun manufacturers and is not in any way affiliated with the Republican party or the NRA, my post should not be quoted or used in any way to make money or as a way to imply that I want to see the police in any way harmed during the filming of COPS or SWAT. Also please note that I root for the U.S.A in the Olympics. You know what I find ammusing is when there are 4-5 burly officers already on a suspect and the 110# female officer has run in and put her knee somewhere on the suspects back. I can only imagine what must be going through some of the burly cops minds..."thanks Wonder Woman, now if you'll get outta the way we can get back to cuffin' this bad guy." 
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Well, when I have been taken down, it was considered a violent felony arrest from a vehicle. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!  Dressed in Italian cut wing tips, taylored dress slacks, fitted dress shirt, tie, and jacket. I was ordered out at gun point, (lots of guns, more than a half dozen), hands up, drop to knees in the street, and then face down in the wet street while I waited to be cuffed.
Yes, even if do not resist you could get pretty messed up. Fortunately, with my background, I was conditioned to it. But, I would not be surprised if the average person would get pretty messed up. It is really a flip of the coin. I doubt I am the only innocent person who has ever had to endure the process. Psychologically, from arrest to jail, to bonding out, it was all far worse than the events that lead up to the arrest. Physically, the encounter before the arrest was life threatening. As of the arrest, I did my best to demonstrate that I was compliant. In jail, my charges were heinous and no one messed with me at anytime, even though I remained in dress clothes minus belt and tie. In jail, I was polite to staff and respectful. I was not cocky to other prisoners, but did not make an effort to interact or make “buddies”. Another time when I was arrested on violent felony charges, things were much different. The gentleman served the warrant to my home. We spoke briefly. He told me that several people had tried to serve me, but could not get by all of the dogs. I apologized. I told him I would do as instructed. He told me the charges, and I about fainted. He explained I was going in. I said sure, and just ask for his guidance. I did ask to change clothes. I had on gym shorts and nothing else. I first restrained my dogs that had him held outside the property. I invited him in. We got some clothes, and I dressed quickly. He let me make a call. As I left, I stopped dead in my tracks, scared to death. I saw one of my guns laying out on a desk. Heck, I couldn't speak, but montioned toward with my arms up and said "gun". He politely picked it up, unloaded it, and moved to the other side of the room. Then we walked out to the car. I told him I would try to bond out quickly, on the $10k cash bond, but I wanted him to have my cell number if he needed me in the future. I don't think he cuffed me. He was great. The man had me totally humbled. He was like a super hero or something. Months, later, when I was indicted, he served the warrant. First he called me. I made immediate arrangements for the $20K cash bond. He ask where we could meet and a time. He offered the court house or jail. I asked for someplace else so he could escort me to processing. He knew I was scared, given how the entire situation came about. I did not want to be around any county facilities without him. He understood my preference to travel with him. He took me in, I processed, and bonded out immediately. Later, he walked me out so I would feel safe leaving. I think about him often. He is one of the few men that really ever challenged my own willingness to me a better man. The man arrested me, twice, and I love him. No question. I KNOW I owe him my sanity. I'll never be able to repay him. He keeps me in line just thinking about him. I owe him the duty to try to be more than the traditional imagine of tough. He did so much for me and my family. He was a HUGE blessing. Only for a brief period of time, while under indictment, did I loose my CCDW license. Upon the charges being dropped, the license was quickly restored with no hassle. NO, I'm not a bad guy. I've never been convicted of anything, beyond a ticket for common speeding or shooting the wrong bird. I was never convicted in either case. Charges were dropped each time. I could not go through a traditional expungement since I was never convicted. I had to spend a lot of time and money to have all evidence in/of the arrest, both physical and electronic, ordered destroyed. I sincerely hope this helps. It is the view from the other side of the fence as an innocent, and once very honorable man. |
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Safety. Can't fight back very effectively while on the ground. Once cuffed then the threat is diminished. Yup. If they are being ordered to the ground its usually because they did some bad shit. I dont order people to the ground who were speeding. I order people to the ground that I chased. And as for the neck thing, are you fucking kidding me? Oh the poor bad guys. I hope they dont get injured. The pressure on their back and neck is to ensure they remain cooperative until they are in cuffs. |
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Safety. Can't fight back very effectively while on the ground. Once cuffed then the threat is diminished. Yup. If they are being ordered to the ground its usually because they did are accused of doing some bad shit. I dont order people to the ground who were speeding. I order people to the ground that I chased. And as for the neck thing, are you fucking kidding me? Oh the poor bad guys. I hope they dont get injured. The pressure on their back and neck is to ensure they remain cooperative until they are in cuffs. |
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Safety. Can't fight back very effectively while on the ground. Once cuffed then the threat is diminished. Yup. If they are being ordered to the ground its usually because they did some bad shit. I dont order people to the ground who were speeding. I order people to the ground that I chased. And as for the neck thing, are you fucking kidding me? Oh the poor bad guys. I hope they dont get injured. The pressure on their back and neck is to ensure they remain cooperative until they are in cuffs. Bama said the knee was supposed to go between the shoulder blades. 
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Safety. Can't fight back very effectively while on the ground. Once cuffed then the threat is diminished. I watched one of the shows and the guy hurt his back trying to lift the perp. well he's an idiot. The proper way to get them up is to tell them to roll to the side and sit up. once sitting up, have them place one foot by there ballsack. While standing by the leg that is next to their ballsack, grab that arm. Tell them to roll in the direction of the leg that is close to there ballsack and push upwards. The momentum will allow them to get to the knees and onto their feet. |
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What a great question! Don't take this a gospel, this is my professional opinion and is a reflection of my departments philosophy and training.
1) We tell them to get on the ground to initiate the fight or flight response, after we challenge them they either run, fight, or give up. 2) If they give up, it is time to dial down the force. If they run or fight, they bought the ticket and get the full ride . (Usually dictated by our massive adrenaline spike during close combat).
3) We don't have them put hands on a wall because they can push off to jump start an attack or attempt to run. Also, on the ground they have a hard time throwing evidence or pulling out a weapon tucked in the front of their pants. 4) It is very verboten to put a knee on someones spine, head, or neck, it is usually done due to inattention caused by the officer's stuggle to deal with his adrenaline rush. The correct position places the knee on the suspects shoulder blade pinning it to the ground and preventing the suspect from moving during cuffing. 5) Sometimes you can't see how the suspect resists during the cuffing process, If you hear the officer saying "stop resisting" the suspect might be attempting to pinch, bite, scratch, or otherwise prevent the officer from being able to apply the cuffs. 6) A well trained officer doesn't pick them up, we push them forward into a kneel and they stand up on their own. (Elevating the cuffed hands helps motivate them to stand up). 7) Most all of the things you are seeing are what my department considers rookie mistakes caused by our own fight or flight responses, with years of repetition and training most professionals get used to dealing with the rush and learn to stay controlled in potential melee combat situations.. Again, a great question, hope this shed some light. Try to schedule a ride along with your local department if you can, it will be something you will never forget. Our motto is, "Be friendly to everyone you meet, but have a plan to kill them if necessary". 
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