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4/2/2005 2:15:59 PM EDT
This quote is from Lincoln's First Inaugural Address in 1861:

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."

How many here feel that America can still be salvaged by political means, and how many feel that that time is past, and it is only a matter of time until revolutionary rights must be excercised?


4/2/2005 2:18:59 PM EDT
[#1]
America can be salvaged peacefully. If civil war comes we will be just like all those balkan countries, i.e. a third world shithole. Think about that before you take up arms. Things here are not that bad. In fact we live in the best place on Earth.
4/2/2005 2:23:45 PM EDT
[#2]
We live in the best country, at the moment.  I was refering to 50-75 years in the future.  

We survived our own civil war and did not become a "shithole."

How exactly can it be salvaged peacefully?
4/2/2005 2:28:46 PM EDT
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4/2/2005 3:02:16 PM EDT
[#4]

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Please Explain.
4/2/2005 3:07:31 PM EDT
[#5]
Depends upon your definition of "peace".
America can likely be salvaged without resorting to force of arms, but it will still be ugly and very uncomfortable.
4/2/2005 3:07:50 PM EDT
[#6]
With all the illegal Mexican's coming into this country, it will be a shit hole in a few years.
4/2/2005 3:11:03 PM EDT
[#7]
Yes we live in the best country on the face of the Earth however we have been on a slippery slope for some time

President Bush needs to be true to the Base of voters that got him elected and Secure our Borders

The Minuteman go down to the Arizona out of frustration and the best he can come up with is to call them Vigilantes

I voted for George Bush twice but I knew he was gonna bumble the whole Illegal Alien / Border issue

I called him a Liberal on Domestic Issues last year

If Bush is the best that the Republicans have to offer we 're in trouble
4/2/2005 3:11:48 PM EDT
[#8]

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With all the illegal Mexican's coming into this country, it will be a shit hole in a few years.



+1
4/2/2005 3:14:32 PM EDT
[#9]
America is on the same path the Roman Empire was once on...and it didn't work out to well for the Romans...
4/2/2005 3:31:23 PM EDT
[#10]

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America is on the same path the Roman Empire was once on...and it didn't work out to well for the Romans...



Can it be stopped?  How can we stop it?
4/2/2005 4:02:41 PM EDT
[#11]
Somebody always thinks doomsday is right around the corner. For a lot of people it would be their wet dream to have a civil war. Then they would realize war sucks and would want it to go back to how it was. Quit talking about force of arms and start talking about what you can do to save it w/o arms.
4/2/2005 4:12:18 PM EDT
[#12]
Ok, well, how do we do it w/o force of arms?
4/2/2005 5:56:26 PM EDT
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Ok, well, how do we do it w/o force of arms?



Talk to people. Convince them your vision is the right vision. Vote. Demand good politicians.
4/2/2005 6:06:47 PM EDT
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Ok, well, how do we do it w/o force of arms?


good politicians.


what the hell did you just say?!?!?
4/2/2005 6:09:32 PM EDT
[#15]
People need to unbunch their panties...we're not heading for any fucking civil war...99% of the US population is too concerned with going to work, paying their bills, and raising a family...civil war my ass...
4/2/2005 6:11:01 PM EDT
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Ok, well, how do we do it w/o force of arms?


good politicians.


what the hell did you just say?!?!?



If you are going to quote me at least quote me correctly. I said DEMAND good politicians. As in vote in primaries. Get involved. Run yourself if need be.
4/2/2005 6:11:33 PM EDT
[#17]

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People need to unbunch their panties...we're not heading for any fucking civil war...99% of the US population is too concerned with going to work, paying their bills, and raising a family...civil war my ass...



+1
4/2/2005 6:13:37 PM EDT
[#18]

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Ok, well, how do we do it w/o force of arms?


good politicians.


what the hell did you just say?!?!?



If you are going to quote me at least quote me correctly. I said DEMAND good politicians. As in vote in primaries. Get involved. Run yourself if need be.


I mean that would be great and all but I don't see that happening, especially with our two party system.  Running myself?  I would need a good deal of money and then almost have to go to one of the two parties.

Politcians make choices based on getting re-elected.

edit: im not saying we are going to civil war, just that politicians suck