Posted: 5/18/2012 11:42:57 AM EDT
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I drink single barrel JD, I like it I am thinking about getting a bottle of this for special occasions and maybe just relaxing with a good cigar. I know the original was stored for 100 years in ice but what makes it different if it was stored for 100 years, I thought that once its out of the barrel thats it it stops aging once its bottled. Has anyone tried it? I also posted this in the humidor section.
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I drink single barrel JD, I like it I am thinking about getting a bottle of this for special occasions and maybe just relaxing with a good cigar. I know the original was stored for 100 years in ice but what makes it different if it was stored for 100 years, I thought that once its out of the barrel thats it it stops aging once its bottled. Has anyone tried it? I also posted this in the humidor section. Here There's probably a lot better options for $200. Ever seen centennial Para 1911's for five grand and wonder what the other $4500 goes for? I'd guess this is a $40 bottle of scotch posing as a $200 bottle. For cigars I'd suggest younger Scotches. I've found the 25 and 30's to be overpowered by a cigar. An excepton though. MaCallan 18 year. It is probably the best of the best for pairing with cigars. Other than that, go with something sweet for a cigar and stay away from peaty or smokey Scotches when pairing. |
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It says it is a recreation, not the stuff that was discovered. I.e. it is just a 100 year old recipe, that they didn't have the recipe for anymore??
Seems like a total marketing ploy if so. I would suppose many are using older recipes than that, in the same distilleries with the same water they have been using for ~200 or more years. |
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Dunno if that bottle is worth $200, never tried it. And yes, glass really does nothing to further the aging process, that is a product of the whisky interacting with the wood barrel and temp/humidity changes. What they have done is try to reproduce the "vintage" (for lack of a better word) of the "lost whisky". IE use the same grains, in the same ratios, malted in the same manner, aged in the same area, etc...supposedly...but really who knows... My guess is that it is more marketing hype than anything. |
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Mackinlay's Rare Old Highland Malt has been painstakingly recreated by Whyte & Mackay's Master Blender Richard Paterson at the original strength of 47.3%.
Mackinlay's Rare Old Highland Malt is a meticulous re-creation of the original malt whisky shipped to Antarctica in 1907 by the explorer Ernest Shackleton to fortify his 'Nimrod' expedition. It is not all that old, just overpriced as a gimmick. Probbaly no more than 10 year, the minimum for Single Malt (though it might be blended) Scotch Whisky in Scotland. |
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+1 to the marketing ploy. My guess is you'd be much better served just buying 3-4 "regular" scotches to enjoy. You'll probably get as good a flavor out of any of them as you would from the Mackinlay. ETA: Probably a better flavor. A hundred years ago a given place tended to have fewer varieties of Scotch available, and there was less competition for customers. The changing supply systems of the past century have, I believe, caused Scotch to improve in quality and taste. Not that I wouldn't want to sample some of the 1907 stuff or earlier as a lark, but what I can buy at Dorignacs, or the Rite Aid, for that matter, would probably knock the socks off any Scotch drinker of 1907. |
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I drink single barrel JD, I like it I am thinking about getting a bottle of this for special occasions and maybe just relaxing with a good cigar. I know the original was stored for 100 years in ice but what makes it different if it was stored for 100 years, I thought that once its out of the barrel thats it it stops aging once its bottled. Has anyone tried it? I also posted this in the humidor section. Here If you like single barrel JD, then you won't like quality whisky 
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Mackinlay's Rare Old Highland Malt has been painstakingly recreated by Whyte & Mackay's Master Blender Richard Paterson at the original strength of 47.3%.
Mackinlay's Rare Old Highland Malt is a meticulous re-creation of the original malt whisky shipped to Antarctica in 1907 by the explorer Ernest Shackleton to fortify his 'Nimrod' expedition. It is not all that old, just overpriced as a gimmick. Probbaly no more than 10 year, the minimum for Single Malt (though it might be blended) Scotch Whisky in Scotland. Actually, the minimum age for scotch whisky (single malt and blended) is 3 years, not 10 (UK law says it cannot be called whisky if it is less than 3 years old, but there is no legal barrier to bottling a 4 year old single malt scotch if a distillery wanted to do that). It's just that there is very little demand for 3 year old whisky but 10 year old whisky sells well so most distilleries keep it in the barrels for at least 10 years. It wasn't all that long ago that 8 year old whisky was fairly common but the market has changed and now 10 years is the new "standard" age. |
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I cant find the full video but National Geographic had a whole hour or two show on it.
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I saw the show on NG and it peaked my interest. I figured it would be cool to have something that was made like the old stuff. I found it locally for 150 a bottle. I was looking a JW blue, I always thought you get what you pay for. Got any ideas? Yeah, don't buy JW blue. IMO, it's piss in a cup compared to a decent single malt. For starters, Glenlivet is good. If you're a bit more adventurous you might try a McCallan 12yr. Lagavulin is even more "adventurous". If you want to spend money, buy a bottle of McCallan 18 or 21 yr and be prepared to ruin your drawers. It's like manna from heaven. |
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I saw the show on NG and it peaked my interest. I figured it would be cool to have something that was made like the old stuff. I found it locally for 150 a bottle. I was looking a JW blue, I always thought you get what you pay for. Got any ideas? Yeah, don't buy JW blue. IMO, it's piss in a cup compared to a decent single malt. For starters, Glenlivet is good. If you're a bit more adventurous you might try a McCallan 12yr. Lagavulin is even more "adventurous". If you want to spend money, buy a bottle of McCallan 18 or 21 yr and be prepared to ruin your drawers. It's like manna from heaven. That stuff is a tremendous waste of money, IMO. I've had much better, for much less. |
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MACALLAN 18 SHERRY.
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I saw the show on NG and it peaked my interest. I figured it would be cool to have something that was made like the old stuff. I found it locally for 150 a bottle. I was looking a JW blue, I always thought you get what you pay for. Got any ideas? Yeah, don't buy JW blue. IMO, it's piss in a cup compared to a decent single malt. For starters, Glenlivet is good. If you're a bit more adventurous you might try a McCallan 12yr. Lagavulin is even more "adventurous". If you want to spend money, buy a bottle of McCallan 18 or 21 yr and be prepared to ruin your drawers. It's like manna from heaven. |
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Ralfy's whisky reviews
Ralfy has recorded what is possibly the largest collection of video reviews of scotch whiskies available anywhere. Ralfy doesn't work in the whisky industry, he's an undertaker. He's said in several of his reviews that he isn't paid by anyone in the whisky industry to make these reviews and he doesn't get free samples from distilleries/distributors. He makes these videos because he really likes whisky and wants to give people more information about what's available. Not all of his videos are reviews of whisky, there are some bourbons, some rums, some tequilas, and tours of a couple of Scottish distilleries, as well as some general information videos. There are also some reviews of Irish and Japanese whiskies as well. And Ralfy isn't a snob about whisky, while the vast majority of his reviews are single malts, he also has reviews of a few of the cheaper bleanded whiskies for people who live in places where many of the single malts he reviews are hard to get hold of. In all the threads I've seen here on ARF about scotch whisky, there's always a few people who'll just say "buy whisky X" without giving any context. Ralfy's reviews are a really good way of getting some context about different scotch whiskies.. He hasn't reviewed every scotch whisky on the market, but if you can't find something you like out of the ones he has reviewed, you probably don't like scotch whisky anyway. And which scotch whisky would I reccomend to someone who drinks mostly bourbon? Try the Highland Park 12 year. Moderatelty peated (smokey) but with a good balance between the smokiness and the fruit/malt flavours of the whisky which would make a good entry point for someone who expects a whisky to have the sort of "bite" or "kick" in it's flavour which bourbons have (not all scotches are smokey, many don't have any smoke in them at all, some scotches are very soft and mild compared to bourbon or rye whiskey). I personally don't consider the HP 12 to be a "special occaision" type of whisky, just good value for money. Here's Ralfy's review of the HP 12. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ptz6wk6jSk&feature=plcp |
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Quoted: Ralfy's whisky reviews Ralfy has recorded what is possibly the largest collection of video reviews of scotch whiskies available anywhere. Ralfy doesn't work in the whisky industry, he's an undertaker. He's said in several of his reviews that he isn't paid by anyone in the whisky industry to make these reviews and he doesn't get free samples from distilleries/distributors. He makes these videos because he really likes whisky and wants to give people more information about what's available. Not all of his videos are reviews of whisky, there are some bourbons, some rums, some tequilas, and tours of a couple of Scottish distilleries, as well as some general information videos. There are also some reviews of Irish and Japanese whiskies as well. And Ralfy isn't a snob about whisky, while the vast majority of his reviews are single malts, he also has reviews of a few of the cheaper bleanded whiskies for people who live in places where many of the single malts he reviews are hard to get hold of. In all the threads I've seen here on ARF about scotch whisky, there's always a few people who'll just say "buy whisky X" without giving any context. Ralfy's reviews are a really good way of getting some context about different scotch whiskies.. He hasn't reviewed every scotch whisky on the market, but if you can't find something you like out of the ones he has reviewed, you probably don't like scotch whisky anyway. And which scotch whisky would I reccomend to someone who drinks mostly bourbon? Try the Highland Park 12 year. Moderatelty peated (smokey) but with a good balance between the smokiness and the fruit/malt flavours of the whisky which would make a good entry point for someone who expects a whisky to have the sort of "bite" or "kick" in it's flavour which bourbons have (not all scotches are smokey, many don't have any smoke in them at all, some scotches are very soft and mild compared to bourbon or rye whiskey). I personally don't consider the HP 12 to be a "special occaision" type of whisky, just good value for money. Here's Ralfy's review of the HP 12. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ptz6wk6jSk&feature=plcp Tag for reference. |
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I went to binnys and waled around they have everything on their website and even these in the class case.
http://www.binnys.com/spirits/Bowmore_Black_4th_Edition_160626.html I dont want to buy cheap stuff but I dont want to break the bank. I know if its aged longer its not as strong proof wise, and I would think the longer the aged the smoother it will be. right? all the ones at the site above is what I can get. |
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I went to binnys and waled around they have everything on their website and even these in the class case. http://www.binnys.com/spirits/Bowmore_Black_4th_Edition_160626.html I dont want to buy cheap stuff but I dont want to break the bank. I know if its aged longer its not as strong proof wise, and I would think the longer the aged the smoother it will be. right? all the ones at the site above is what I can get. If you want smooth, with character, without breaking the bank then get some Dalwhinnie. You're welcome. |
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is there a certain age to stay away from, or a few to look for. I know whiskey is whiskey but I saw from 10 years to 34. Short answer is: yes and no. That is the beauty of scotch. 10yr old brand X may be awesome while similarly priced 10yo brand Y is no go. Not only that, but the exact same scotch make/model can vary widely from year to year, like wines. |
| I try the one you posted, they have the vintage in stock so I will try 1 bottle. but this isnt the stuff for special occasions, right? I want something I can have on the weekends while grilling and having a cigar. I saw some scotch was thousands and that is insane if every time you open it it can be a bust. I am thinking with in the 50-100 price range for my everyday. weekend drink. and 150+ for the special events and big occasions |
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Dalwhinnie isn't expensive as far as scotch goes. It's a great daily driver IMO. I keep it on hand in addition to whatever other bottle I'm trying. yeah the vintage sweet stuff is only 70 bucks. I have been reading about scotch and other whiskeys and a guy I work with might have a bunch of old bottles from the 70s of scotch. it says it has hints of cotton candy and I smoke sweet cigars so it should blend good. |
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Quoted: is there a certain age to stay away from, or a few to look for. I know whiskey is whiskey but I saw from 10 years to 34. Good Sir, there are numerous distilation and aging processes / methods. Your prediliction for 'single barrel JD', (sour mash whiskey), is very different whiskey than blended scotch, single malt scotch, or Bourbon whiskeys. Since your point of reference is sour mash, get yourself a bottle of modestly priced single malt scotch to see if you even like it. Seems sort of silly to me to be using sour-mash as a reference point and jumping into a 50 dollar plus bottle of scotch if you don't realize the differences in the way they are made. Get some 12 yo Mcallens and try it. It's a great scotch. If you decide you really like single malts...get a jug of Mcallens Sherry Oak 25 yo single malt...but be prepared to spend some dough. It's about $575.00 a bottle. 
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Laiphraig /Thread Yes, but only if you want to blow smoke rings without actually smoking a cigar. 
You must be talking about the 10 year. Try the Quarter Cask. Less heat but still has peat. I haven't tried the 18 yet. OP, for starters maybe a Macallan 10 or 12 year. Glenlivet 18 is good on the rocks. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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thanks for the advice. I plan on spending no more than 70 bucks on my first bottle of scotch. and if I like it I will invest in better stock. Another route to go if you're just starting out is to buy one of those Classic Malts samplers. It will sort of give you a primer on what you can (sort of) expect from the different regions. Plus, you also get to try several good scotch varieties for one price. Once you kind of know what region you like it becomes far easier to home in on offerings that might work with your particular palate. |
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IF you can find it the Glenroth's 1985 will make you shit your knickers, got it in a sampler and shit myself seeing the price of the bottle but fucking WORTH IT!
Additional Highland park is fair, Dalmore is semi peaty and if you want just straight up decent sipping more sweater you cannot go wrong with Oban. |
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I saw the show on NG and it peaked my interest. I figured it would be cool to have something that was made like the old stuff. I found it locally for 150 a bottle. I was looking a JW blue, I always thought you get what you pay for. Got any ideas? Yeah, don't buy JW blue. IMO, it's piss in a cup compared to a decent single malt. For starters, Glenlivet is good. If you're a bit more adventurous you might try a McCallan 12yr. Lagavulin is even more "adventurous". If you want to spend money, buy a bottle of McCallan 18 or 21 yr and be prepared to ruin your drawers. It's like manna from heaven. That stuff is a tremendous waste of money, IMO. I've had much better, for much less. What's a waste of money, the JW blue or Glenlivet? |
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so one of these to get started. http://www.binnys.com/spirits/Dalwhinnie_Vintage_Distillers_Edition_161333.html http://www.binnys.com/spirits/Balvenie_12_Year_Old_Doublewood_160519.html Good choices, but to be honest I just get the regular 15yo Dalwhinnie. I get toffee, vanilla, and a little bit of peat on the tail-end. |
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Quoted: Damn so much hatred in this thread for the JW BL...  It is really good stuff. If you like blends. in my experience, most scotch drinkers can't tell the difference between a quality single malt and a quality blend in a blind taste test. quite often, if they can't identify the label by taste, it comes down to "this one is better balanced" while pointing at the blend. |