[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Question about cops (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/19/2004 9:47:18 PM EDT
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I do not intend this to be cop bashing i just have a question. On Ak-47.net someone posted an article about a GI home on leave from Iraq. He was at a basketball game and a fight broke out. He began to film it and a guy in civvies came up to him and demanded his camera. The GI told the guy to screw off. Then a cop in uniform comes over and arrests him after telling him the dude in civves is the chief of police. So is it an arrestable offence to cuss at or tell a non uniformed cop, fbi agent, park police whatever to F*$# off? No link was provided in the original thread so i couldnt find the article online. |
| It probably is a disorderly conduct charge. A little hincky but a local judge will take it. Technically the cop making the arrest has to be present and the guy needs to have made a scene in public. It is possible we have not heard the whole story. Did the GI get a little more animated than just "Fuck off"? One thing I have found is there is almost ALWAYS a little more to the story than what you first hear. |
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Quoted: It probably is a disorderly conduct charge. A little hincky but a local judge will take it. Technically the cop making the arrest has to be present and the guy needs to have made a scene in public. It is possible we have not heard the whole story. Did the GI get a little more animated than just "Fuck off"? One thing I have found is there is almost ALWAYS a little more to the story than what you first hear. Im still looking for a direct link to the article but have had no luck. Here is the article from ak-47. It was originally posted by Vampire a mod over there "January 18, 2004 By KRIS WERNOWSKY of the Journal Star PEORIA - Army Spc. DeMarcus McNeil called the profanities he lobbed at a man demanding he turn over his camcorder during a fight at a high school basketball game Friday night a reaction. He didn't realize he had just cussed out Peoria Police Chief John Stenson. Now he will return to military duty in Iraq this week with a February court date on a disorderly conduct charge. At least two fights broke out shortly after the third quarter of the game between Peoria High School and Manual High School at Central, leading to at least four arrests by about 30 responding police officers, authorities said. Stenson, {{the JBT}} dressed in plain clothes, was watching the game when he received a call from a sergeant who said there was concern from District 150 officials that a fight was going to break out. "(District 150) officers heard there were going to be problems," the sergeant, who asked not to be identified, said Saturday. "I don't know who was supposed to be fighting." Stenson said the first fight started outside the school at about 9 p.m. He directed police and security not to allow any of those people involved in the outdoor melee back into the building. "While we were doing that, people are leaving a little early, another fight starts," he said. The other fight started in the lobby of the school near the gymnasium minutes later. Officers attempted to control the crowd. "It almost became a riotous situation," Stenson said. "Everybody up here would tell you there was a serious fight. It was a very serious fight where participants were injured." The names of those arrested or injured were not available Saturday night, except for McNeil, 21, of 2324 Delaware St., who was in the middle of the whole thing. During his two-week furlough from the conflict in Iraq, McNeil's camcorder had been glued to his hand. McNeil, a specialist in the HHC-11-37 AR Support Platoon, planned to show fellow soldiers highlights of his visit home. "He takes that video camera everywhere," said his mother, Dionne Causey. During the melee, McNeil kept his camera rolling. "Some students at the school began to fight and I stood there a distance away videotaping it," he said. "As I was leaving, a man grabbed me by the arm and said, 'Give me that camera.' "I said, 'Hell no, I'm not going to give you my camera.' I cussed him out because I didn't know who he was." When a uniformed officer approached McNeil and the man who had grabbed him and asked, "What's the problem, chief?" McNeil knew he was in trouble, he said.... Two officers handcuffed McNeil and took him to a wall where arrested students were sitting. " |
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I'm MUCH more interested in why a person is not allowed to film the police in action. Anyone? ...or was the officer/chief simply requesting the camera so it coudl be used as evidence or to identify crimes? If so, I guess he could have asked for the tape, not the camera |
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Quoted: I'm MUCH more interested in why a person is not allowed to film the police in action. Anyone? ...or was the officer/chief simply requesting the camera so it coudl be used as evidence or to identify crimes? If so, I guess he could have asked for the tape, not the camera The film will be used for evidence. It is likely he wanted it so he could secure it. |
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No sense of humor, eh copper? If someone grabbed my arm, they are gonna have a hurt wrist from where I give their hand back to them. Thats a risk you run in laying a hand on me. Same as when you tell a man to hand over his property, he is going to tell you to fuck off. Its better to ask. If you ask me, its no big deal. A misunderstnading, nobody got hurt, there shouldn't be any charges filed on anybody. |
| In some places, chiefs are much more administrators than 'cops'. I've heard of places where the chief doesn't have a clue about how their street cops deal with daily situations. I wouldn't have wanted to be that patrol officer that showed up. Likely the chief was demanding that he arrest the man with the camera. Kinda being stuck in a tough spot. |
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Given the available info, I'd say it smacks of JBTism - however, if there's more to the story(and there very well could be), then that's a different story... "I'm MUCH more interested in why a person is not allowed to film the police in action. Anyone?" Yeah, that's kinda what I was wondering... - georgestrings |
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From what I gather, this was orignally posted over on AK net by Vampire. That tells me all I need to know. Esp. since there is no link. DK-Prof, You can film the police. Indeed, there are folks that follow us around with a camera in the hopes of making big $$$. We even film ourselves. The car has a camera mounted. |
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Quoted: I'm MUCH more interested in why a person is not allowed to film the police in action. Anyone? ...or was the officer/chief simply requesting the camera so it coudl be used as evidence or to identify crimes? If so, I guess he could have asked for the tape, not the camera Probably wanted it so they could attempt to identify other people who were involved that they may not have gotten. Not a big deal. Perhaps if they cheif would have identified himself and said we'd like a copy of that tape for exz reason none of this would have happened. I was taking pic of some stuff in college and a fight broke out. I took pics of it all. A UC tried to take my camera when I tried to leave to process the film. I told him to go to hell I didn't know he was a cop, he did not identify himself as an LEO. A uniformed officer handed me his card and said we'd like copies of the pictures if I wouldn't mind so they could try and identify others involved in the incident and he gavce me a card with his contact info. I said he'd have to contact the paper as the film is thier property not mine and I could not give them copies of the pics without premission. We did give them copies of the pics though. |
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If the chief did not identify himself while demanding someone's property, he should be the one up on charges. Heck, if Joe Bloe can be charged with impersonating an officer, why can't cops be charged with failing to identify themselves while performing their duties? How the frick are we supposed to know if they are cops if they don't say so? |
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Quoted: Quoted: I'm MUCH more interested in why a person is not allowed to film the police in action. Anyone? ...or was the officer/chief simply requesting the camera so it coudl be used as evidence or to identify crimes? If so, I guess he could have asked for the tape, not the camera Probably wanted it so they could attempt to identify other people who were involved that they may not have gotten. Not a big deal. Perhaps if they cheif would have identified himself and said we'd like a copy of that tape for exz reason none of this would have happened. I was taking pic of some stuff in college and a fight broke out. I took pics of it all. A UC tried to take my camera when I tried to leave to process the film. I told him to go to hell I didn't know he was a cop, he did not identify himself as an LEO. A uniformed officer handed me his card and said we'd like copies of the pictures if I wouldn't mind so they could try and identify others involved in the incident and he gavce me a card with his contact info. I said he'd have to contact the paper as the film is thier property not mine and I could not give them copies of the pics without premission. We did give them copies of the pics though. And that's absolutely fine to me. If I had taken pictures/video of a crime, and the police wanted a COPY, I'd be happy to provide them with one - and I'd even pay for the copy myself. However, EVEN if the police want a tape for evidence, first of all, it seems clear that they should say so, and not just demand the entire camera. Second, I wonder if the police even have the right to demand a tape/pictures, or if all they can legally do is ASK for them. After all, if I took pictures, those pictures are my property, and the police/state cannot just claim that property, can they? I would assume that they could probably sopheana (sp?) something like that, or force you to testify as a witness. Again, I'd be happy to help law enforcement in a situation like this - but I'd be pretty damn surprised as well if some guy (wearing civilian clothes) just walked up to me and demanded my camera!!! "WTF?" would be my reaction. (Then again, this is all just hearsay at this point, I guess) |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm MUCH more interested in why a person is not allowed to film the police in action. Anyone? ...or was the officer/chief simply requesting the camera so it coudl be used as evidence or to identify crimes? If so, I guess he could have asked for the tape, not the camera Probably wanted it so they could attempt to identify other people who were involved that they may not have gotten. Not a big deal. Perhaps if they cheif would have identified himself and said we'd like a copy of that tape for exz reason none of this would have happened. I was taking pic of some stuff in college and a fight broke out. I took pics of it all. A UC tried to take my camera when I tried to leave to process the film. I told him to go to hell I didn't know he was a cop, he did not identify himself as an LEO. A uniformed officer handed me his card and said we'd like copies of the pictures if I wouldn't mind so they could try and identify others involved in the incident and he gavce me a card with his contact info. I said he'd have to contact the paper as the film is thier property not mine and I could not give them copies of the pics without premission. We did give them copies of the pics though. And that's absolutely fine to me. If I had taken pictures/video of a crime, and the police wanted a COPY, I'd be happy to provide them with one - and I'd even pay for the copy myself. However, EVEN if the police want a tape for evidence, first of all, it seems clear that they should say so, and not just demand the entire camera. Second, I wonder if the police even have the right to demand a tape/pictures, or if all they can legally do is ASK for them. After all, if I took pictures, those pictures are my property, and the police/state cannot just claim that property, can they? I would assume that they could probably sopheana (sp?) something like that, or force you to testify as a witness. Again, I'd be happy to help law enforcement in a situation like this - but I'd be pretty damn surprised as well if some guy (wearing civilian clothes) just walked up to me and demanded my camera!!! "WTF?" would be my reaction. (Then again, this is all just hearsay at this point, I guess) DK-Prof it seems from the second article i found the Chief of police took the tape without permission but returned the camera. |
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Quoted: Oh BTW if you tell me to "Fuck off" loudly in a public area you more than likely are going to jail. When I was younger(early 20's) I had 2 or 4 local cops that used to harass me cause I'd be out racing my car around town in a shiny fast car. Stupid young buck I guess. They would never catch me in the act but I was known to have a quick car comparitively speaking but they would always pull me over and bust my chops for humor I guess. Never got a ticket mind you they tried but no avail. It got pretty dicey a few times as once they were about to beat my head in for kicks and giggles, but anyway. One evening, just after dark, I backed out of my driveway with my buddy in the car. Cop pulls up behind me before I even get out of the driveway still in reverse gear. I stop, obviously. He comes up the driveway. Guess who? One of my beloved asshole harassers. He says "I don't like the way you pulled out of the driveway." "What are you doing here anyway." I said I am not out of the driveway and that I lived there. He turns his attention to my buddy. So I get out of the car and walk up to my lawn and sit down. They have their lights flashing all that. My neighbors are out as well as a guy walking his dog has stopped. Now asshole #2 pulls up. They are talking. The first asshole starts questioning my buddy all that. I started yelling so everyone could hear. "I live here, this is my house, my car and I have not done anything." "You assholes are a joke. Get off my property now!" #2 comes over says something along the lines of shut up or I'll break your head. So I repeated his words as loud as I can. "If I don't shut up your gonna break my head?" "On my property?" My buddy starts laughing. AT this point asshole #3 pulls up and they decide that I should be issued a ticket for disorderly. So Neighbor walks over kindly tells them that he will testify in court that they physically threatened me, stopped me with out cause, and would basically help me make their lives living hell. They told me to stop being a wise ass and left. All the while I laughed in their faces calling them every name in the book. Arrest someone because they tell you to fuck off shows you are of this type I mentioned above. You use your power([red]J[/red]) and authority([red]B[/red]) to retaliate out of personal vindiction([red]T[/red]) because someone told you to fuck off. Suddenly you are above everyone else who has to ignore such comments in their daily lives? Can I make a citizens arrest on someone for saying that to me? And when they raise a stink can I hit them with some OC and beat them down? Lock them up for a miriad of charges and ruin their lives? All over a simple "fuck off"!? Pathetic! Get a thicker skin dude and try being a good cop. Guys like you wonder why there's such a distrust of cops in this country[rolleyes] |
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Quoted: Oh BTW if you tell me to "Fuck off" loudly in a public area you more than likely are going to jail. wouldn't want to hurt that little ego of yours, now would we. you are a public servant, not 'our betters' get a fucking life, and lose your almighty cop attitude. txl |
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Quoted: Quoted: Oh BTW if you tell me to "Fuck off" loudly in a public area you more than likely are going to jail. wouldn't want to hurt that little ego of yours, now would we. you are a public servant, not 'our betters' get a fucking life, and lose your almighty cop attitude. txl Lewis, This may come as a surprise to arrogant assholes with a keyboard ego, but I don't have to put up with that shit anymore than anyone else. Be a obnoxious prick, I'll transform you into an arrested obnoxious prick. |
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Quoted: Lewis, This may come as a surprise to arrogant assholes with a keyboard ego, but I don't have to put up with that shit anymore than anyone else. Be a obnoxious prick, I'll transform you into an arrested obnoxious prick. I'm not an arrogant keyboard asshole, but my point is that if someone tells me to 'fuck off' I can't do anything about it. I can't arrest him, and I can't punch the guy because I will get arrested. So WE civvies have to put up with obnoxious pricks and don't have any other option like you guys do. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Lewis, This may come as a surprise to arrogant assholes with a keyboard ego, but I don't have to put up with that shit anymore than anyone else. Be a obnoxious prick, I'll transform you into an arrested obnoxious prick. I'm not an arrogant keyboard asshole, but my point is that if someone tells me to 'fuck off' I can't do anything about it. I can't arrest him, and I can't punch the guy because I will get arrested. So WE civvies have to put up with obnoxious pricks and don't have any other option like you guys do. You can do the same thing I do. File a compliant, bear witness, and do a little paperwork. About the only difference is that I drive him to jail myself, while you have a free pickup service. |
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Neither were in uniform, that would have made things a lot clearer for both. That said, the Chief (in a little town) assumed that everybody knows him, which in a small town is usually correct. However, he should have identified himself and asked for a copy ASKED ASKED ASKED. He handled it wrong, but it aint a big deal and should have been cleared up calmly once the excitement was over. And all indications it wasn't just a little fight it looked like things really were hitting the fan. BTW in CA you can't disturb a Cop's peace by swearing at him etc. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lewis, This may come as a surprise to arrogant assholes with a keyboard ego, but I don't have to put up with that shit anymore than anyone else. Be a obnoxious prick, I'll transform you into an arrested obnoxious prick. I'm not an arrogant keyboard asshole, but my point is that if someone tells me to 'fuck off' I can't do anything about it. I can't arrest him, and I can't punch the guy because I will get arrested. So WE civvies have to put up with obnoxious pricks and don't have any other option like you guys do. You can do the same thing I do. File a compliant, bear witness, and do a little paperwork. About the only difference is that I drive him to jail myself, while you have a free pickup service. I don't buy this at all. File a complaint with the local gendarme and you'll get "Awww. po wittle baby got welled at? boo hoo. grow up and go away" |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lewis, This may come as a surprise to arrogant assholes with a keyboard ego, but I don't have to put up with that shit anymore than anyone else. Be a obnoxious prick, I'll transform you into an arrested obnoxious prick. I'm not an arrogant keyboard asshole, but my point is that if someone tells me to 'fuck off' I can't do anything about it. I can't arrest him, and I can't punch the guy because I will get arrested. So WE civvies have to put up with obnoxious pricks and don't have any other option like you guys do. You can do the same thing I do. File a compliant, bear witness, and do a little paperwork. About the only difference is that I drive him to jail myself, while you have a free pickup service. I don't buy this at all. File a complaint with the local gendarme and you'll get "Awww. po wittle baby got welled at? boo hoo. grow up and go away" Whether you "Buy" it or not, it happens every day. Before flouncing in here with a line of bull do a little research. It's called "Disorderly Conduct-Language" in this state. Fine not to exceed 500$. Your state probably has something similar. |
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Typical Holier than Thou attitudes here. I wonder how a cop would feel if he was wronged and told someone to fuck of and they found their ass in a sling for it. Probably wouldn't like it much Go to jail/fine etc. for telling anyone to fuck off is PATHETIC!!!!! Get a life. Ladies and Gentlemen, I am proud to introduce the Standing Army of the USA. No. no, no it's not the Federal military services but your own local police force. And yes they can trample your civil rights when they feel you have insulted them because we have a law on the books that says Disorderly Conduct-Language is a crime! Gotta make sure they can retaliate when their feelings are hurt[rolleyes] |
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1. Chief should have identified himself if taking some official action in plain clothes. 2. Why was it wrong for the guy to video the event? A camera at a sporting event is not abnormal. I video every stop I make as a matter of policy. I have nothing to hide. 3. I as a peace officer can not be offended according to most courts. If you do something that offends others then you have an offense (in my state). 4.If the tape was needed for evidence I'm sure if step 1 above was followed it would not have been an issue. 5. I was not there. These are my opinions. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Lewis, This may come as a surprise to arrogant assholes with a keyboard ego, but I don't have to put up with that shit anymore than anyone else. Be a obnoxious prick, I'll transform you into an arrested obnoxious prick. I'm not an arrogant keyboard asshole, but my point is that if someone tells me to 'fuck off' I can't do anything about it. I can't arrest him, and I can't punch the guy because I will get arrested. So WE civvies have to put up with obnoxious pricks and don't have any other option like you guys do. I don't know about MO, but here in Virginia we have "disorderly conduct" as well as "curse and abuse" laws. I don't charge anyone who curses/flips me off, unless they make a big scene of it...especially if children have to see and hear it. I think that that is the spirit of these laws (within my jurisdiction). |
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Quoted: So can you get arrested for cursing at a police officer? If so, what would be the charge(s)? That seems a bit silly to me, sure it's rude and disrepectful but cops are big boys, they should be able to take an insult if a civvie can. I seem to recall that a question very much like this made it to the US supreme court. My recollection was that swearing at police is within one's right to free speach. Swearing at a judge on the other hand... |
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Quoted: Quoted: So can you get arrested for cursing at a police officer? If so, what would be the charge(s)? That seems a bit silly to me, sure it's rude and disrepectful but cops are big boys, they should be able to take an insult if a civvie can. I seem to recall that a question very much like this made it to the US supreme court. My recollection was that swearing at police is within one's right to free speach. Swearing at a judge on the other hand... I can think of SEVERAL Supreme Court Judges I'd like to tell to F*ck Off!!! |
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The rest of the story.... [b]According to Stenson, soldier McNeil, standing 10 feet from the fight, kept filming the action. Uniformed officers told McNeil to leave, Stenson says. Further, Stenson says, he identified himself as a police officer to McNeil and also asked him to leave. Stenson says all onlookers dispersed, except McNeil, who did not move from his filming spot. So, Stenson told his officers to arrest McNeil for failing to obey their order to leave. "It had nothing to do with the camera," Stenson says. However, as officers cuffed him, Stenson grabbed McNeil's camcorder and took the digital tape. He says the tape could be used as evidence - in court against brawlers arrested by police or by District 150 if it disciplines any students. Stenson says he considered booking McNeil on a charge of resisting a peace officer, a misdemeanor. However, by department policy regarding that specific charge, police would not have released him on a notice to appear, Stenson says. Instead, Stenson says he did McNeil "a favor" by booking him on a count of disorderly conduct, also a misdemeanor but one that allowed McNeil to immediately leave the scene on a notice to appear. Before he left, Stenson gave him back his camera. I couldn't reach McNeil on Monday. But he earlier told this newspaper that he felt "embarrassed" when police arrested him in front of high school students. "If I was in full (military) uniform, that wouldn't have happened to me," McNeil said. But Stenson said he and his officers would have acted the same, even if McNeil had been wearing fatigues. "It didn't matter if he was a general," Stenson says. Stenson is certainly right about that part. If you commit a crime, you get arrested. If doesn't matter if you're Norman Schwarzkopf or John Q. Public. So, the case would come down to its merits. McNeil is slated to return to Peoria on Feb. 17. He'll be in Iraq, so he probably can get a postponement. Will the case go any further? All Peoria County offices were closed Monday, so I couldn't reach State's Attorney Kevin Lyons to ask if he plans to prosecute. Nor could I ask him about the police right to seize tapes. In general, court rulings on the Fourth Amendment say cops and prosecutors usually need either a warrant or subpoena to force someone to turn over a recording. But the courts also allow immediate seizures under "exigent circumstances" - for example, police can recover a gun at a crime scene without seeking permission from a judge. But the "exigent" exception is wide enough to possibly justify Stenson's taking the tape. Perhaps that'll come up in court. [/b] |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Oh BTW if you tell me to "Fuck off" loudly in a public area you more than likely are going to jail. Careful, Sherrick, is "Euro".... [:P] I'm not Euro, I just like German machines and I'm learning French. [:)] To the others, maybe I didn't explain myself correctly. If you make a scene in a public area while I'm trying to conduct business I will arrest you. If you tell me to "Fuck off" when no one is around and disturbed I can not and will not arrest you. However I would not cut this person any breaks either. I will treat you with as much respect as you treat me. Rude people get tickets and arrested more than polite people. The police are human too, guys. If you are a dick and give me a reason to hook your ass up, I will. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Lewis, This may come as a surprise to arrogant assholes with a keyboard ego, but I don't have to put up with that shit anymore than anyone else. Be a obnoxious prick, I'll transform you into an arrested obnoxious prick. I'm not an arrogant keyboard asshole, but my point is that if someone tells me to 'fuck off' I can't do anything about it. I can't arrest him... Of course you can. You call the police and when then arrive, in my state, you sign an order of arrest for both disturbing the peace, and words likely to invoke a violent reaction. I take the suspect into custody on YOUR order of arrest. I transport YOUR arrest to the county jail. Hell, I even write the report. Al you have to do is sign the order of arrest and folow through with it by showing up to testify in court. Other states have simular laws. |
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Quoted: Typical Holier than Thou attitudes here. I wonder how a cop would feel if he was wronged and told someone to fuck of and they found their ass in a sling for it. Probably wouldn't like it much Go to jail/fine etc. for telling anyone to fuck off is PATHETIC!!!!! Get a life. Ladies and Gentlemen, I am proud to introduce the Standing Army of the USA. No. no, no it's not the Federal military services but your own local police force. And yes they can trample your civil rights when they feel you have insulted them because we have a law on the books that says Disorderly Conduct-Language is a crime! Gotta make sure they can retaliate when their feelings are hurt[rolleyes] Look at it this way Val. Since your mother was a failure at raising you to respect others and to instill a little bit of class in you, somebody has to step in to correct your behavior. Cheer up. Instead of your friendly neighborhood patrol officer it COULD be that Hell's Angel you just smarted off to with an axe. AS for DOC laws, get over it. Freedom of speech does not protect you from the consequences of that speech. Ask any reconstructive orthodontist. |
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Personal attack removed by ragnaroc. What I have noticed is a general contempt by leo for anyone who stands up for their rights. Our local prick was just harrassing a 21 year old trying to get him to roll over about something that the kid had no idea about and threating him with jail time. When I told the kid to request a lawyer. I was threatened with arrest for "Interfering with an investigation." Then the prick chest bumped me. If I thought anything would come of it I would press charges for assault. I am a law abiding citizen but it is fucksticks like this that are causing the general population to hate leo's. Right now in my town there have been 2 town meetings about our local JBT and I find it pretty fucking sad our community is more worried about what the prick is going to do next more than the potential for any real crime. There are 2 decent human being leo's in this town and one fuckup. It's sad the fuckup has to turn the community against the good officers who are just doing their job and not trying to create crime. |
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Quoted: To the others, maybe I didn't explain myself correctly. If you make a scene in a public area while I'm trying to conduct business I will arrest you. If you tell me to "Fuck off" when no one is around and disturbed I can not and will not arrest you. However I would not cut this person any breaks either. I will treat you with as much respect as you treat me. Rude people get tickets and arrested more than polite people. The police are human too, guys. If you are a dick and give me a reason to hook your ass up, I will. Well that's fair I suppose. I was originally under the impression that it was an arrestible offense to curse at a police officer. |
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Quoted: Of course you can. You call the police and when then arrive, in my state, you sign an order of arrest for both disturbing the peace, and words likely to invoke a violent reaction. I take the suspect into custody on YOUR order of arrest. I transport YOUR arrest to the county jail. Hell, I even write the report. Al you have to do is sign the order of arrest and folow through with it by showing up to testify in court. Other states have simular laws. Okay, so I'm wrong, I can admit that. I still wouldn't have someone arrested for cursing at me for several reasons. First, I'd rather be the bigger man and walk away. Secondly, I'd rather not waste my time for such a minor insult and finally, I wouldn't want my buddies to make fun of me. [:)] BUT I still feel that is a silly law whether it pertains to a police officer or not. Yes, I realize you guys only enforce the laws, not write them. I just don't think a curse word should be an arrestible offense. Sure it's rude, disrespectful and usually inoppropriate, but that doesn't mean a guy should go to jail over it. That's just the way I feel about it. |
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Quoted: Forgot to mention that I once saw someone arrested for telling a friend. "I see they sent the pigs." What the hell would that be, verbal assault? He didn't even say it to the pigs. Typical stomp on someone to put them in their place gestapo bullshit. [>Q] |