[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Pump or Auto (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 3/3/2012 8:03:58 PM EDT
| Just wondering what the general opinion is here on a tactical shotgun. Considering getting rid of the 870 in favor of the Benelli or Mossberg auto loader. |
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Why do pump guns seem seem to be the option for police and military though?
Semi = expensive. Pump = cheap. So would you say that if cost is not an issue I should get the semi, I already have two 870 express security shotguns, thinking of selling both to fund the other. |
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Get a 590A1. Benelli's suck! yes I know you might get a good one but I never was able to. In before a bus load of Benelli owners post about how their M4 is 100% For the record, my M4-entry has functioned 100% with all types of ammo.  HotBigGun must be the unluckiest guy on the planet 
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Get a 590A1. Benelli's suck! yes I know you might get a good one but I never was able to. In before a bus load of Benelli owners post about how their M4 is 100% For the record, my M4-entry has functioned 100% with all types of ammo. HotBigGun must be the unluckiest guy on the planet
Actually I usually have good luck with Firearms. BTW I didn't have luck with the 930SPX either.
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Actually I usually have good luck with Firearms. BTW I didn't have luck with the 930SPX either. Wow, I'm sorry to hear that brother. While I don't own one, I have had quite a bit of trigger time with a 930. The example I have spent time with seems like a pretty solid rig
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Actually I usually have good luck with Firearms. BTW I didn't have luck with the 930SPX either. Wow, I'm sorry to hear that brother. While I don't own one, I have had quite a bit of trigger time with a 930. The example I have spent time with seems like a pretty solid rig
I sent the 930 back to Mossberg so hopefully the will fix the issues. The 590A1 has been a great shotgun |
Autos for me, I am so use to shooting autos I make a fool of my self every time I go bird hunting and stand around wondering why my 500 didn't automatically cycle and where the hell the bolt handle went so I can clear the FTE.
I know under a SD situation I am going to revert to what I know best and that is autos. |
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I'd say pump only because my 1187 Police has been the biggest POS I've ever seen in the firearms world. Should of bought the Benelli M4. What's wrong with it? I have had great luck with mine except when I bought a rifle sighted barrel from Remington. That barrel the gas ports had burrs that caused cardboard wadding from slugs to build up in one port turning the gun into a straight pull bolt action but that was quickly remedied and more of a break in problem than anything else. |
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Autos for me, I am so use to shooting autos I make a fool of my self every time I go bird hunting and stand around wondering why my 500 didn't automatically cycle and where the hell the bolt handle went so I can clear the FTE.
I know under a SD situation I am going to revert to what I know best and that is autos. I've done the opposite of that before, after shooting almost entirely pumps for years I took out one of my Remington autos and stood there trying mightily to pump it after the first shot instead of just keeping shooting. 
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Get a 590A1. Benelli's suck! yes I know you might get a good one but I never was able to. In before a bus load of Benelli owners post about how their M4 is 100% For the record, my M4-entry has functioned 100% with all types of ammo. I'll go one further and tell you that not only has my Benelli M4 been 100% but i have yet to clean it in the 2+ years of owning it...and it gets shot and abused often. |
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How much less recoil in a semi? I really wouldn't know how to objectively quantify it. A 3" 00 out of either will wake you up. It's certainly softer out of a M1S90. as for reliability. I've had one FTE out of my M1S90 with a 2 3/4 7shot shell. Otherwise it's been 100%. |
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benelli m2 tac, so semiauto. never look back, my next one will be a benelli semiauto too. I feel the same way about my M1Tac and my M3. While a shotgun isn't my primary defensive long gun I do like them a lot
ETA-My two "bump in the night" Benellis: http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/benelli_M3_M1t.jpg I too have an M3. Is it just me or does that shotgun kick harder than any shotgun you've ever fired ever forever? I've also got a Saiga, an 870, and a Versamax and none of them boot ya as hard as that fucking M3. Mine gave me a black eye last year when I finished off a couple boxes of hunting loads with a friend. It'll kill on one end and maim on the other. |
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Personally, I would get an 870 Marine Magnum and never look back. The 870 action is the standard for a functional combat shotgun IMO.
ETA: I own a couple of Bennies too. I'm even more comfortable with my 870 hunting birds as well. Semi is nice no doubt. Guess Im just a pump kind of guy. |
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benelli m2 tac, so semiauto. never look back, my next one will be a benelli semiauto too. I feel the same way about my M1Tac and my M3. While a shotgun isn't my primary defensive long gun I do like them a lot
ETA-My two "bump in the night" Benellis: http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/benelli_M3_M1t.jpg I too have an M3. Is it just me or does that shotgun kick harder than any shotgun you've ever fired ever forever? I've also got a Saiga, an 870, and a Versamax and none of them boot ya as hard as that fucking M3. Mine gave me a black eye last year when I finished off a couple boxes of hunting loads with a friend. It'll kill on one end and maim on the other. Mossburg 930SPX
replaced my M3 for 3gun , never noticed it kicking any harder than another , hardly ever shoot less than 100 rounds at practice or match , most ever at one time was 350 in less than 4 hours. Benelli's while excellent can be picky about shells , only failure so far with the mossy was a value pack shell that had no rim for extracting , just a slight bump  80%had good crimp just the area where the extractor grabbed it was messed up
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Some years ago I took some free skeet lessons from a member of our range. This guy (George Lehr) is nationally known and gets flown around the country to give private lessons to those who can afford him. Great guy too. He offered a free lesson after our mandatory club orientation. About 6 of us take him up on it as most of us had never shot skeet before. Somebody asks him what kind of shotgun to bring. He says "Anything but a Benelli."
I have a Beretta AL390, two Remington 870's and a Winchester 1300 Camp Defender. My preferred gun for sporting clays is one of my 870's. I just like the way it handles. It has never been too slow for any of the various stations and combinations tossed out. I used to use the Beretta but started using the 870 after I got a short barrel one for home defense. I figured that if I was going to use it for home defense I better have a lot of practice using it. I got one with a 28" barrel on sale at Wal-Mart over 6 years ago for $238 and it has been flawless. I have found that I actually like using the pump for shooing clays better than my Beretta which mostly has become my guest gun. I feel I have an advantage at the range using the pump. When I rack the slide the clays start trembling in fear so much so that as long as I get the pellets close enough they shatter out of pure fright. Plus a lot of shooters with really nice over unders or side by sides want to try it as they haven't shot a pump action shotgun in years. They reciprocate by letting me shoot theirs. I have gotten to handle a lot of expensive metal because of that gun.
BTW, I like to shoot sporting clays the old way. Gun at rest and I only bring it up only after the clay is released. If you have a shotgun and plan to use it for personal defense or hunting, I highly recommend sporting clays. |
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Michael Bane is raving about the Remington Versa Max over at his blog––says it will feed and shoot anything, and has the recoil of a 20 gauge.
It ain't pretty, but it feels like a real workhorse. How impressed were we with the gun? Not only did I buy my T&E gun, producers John Carter and Mike Long went back to their offices and order one for themselves, and two other crew members are going to follow suit. Here's the Remington specs for the guns we bought, the Versa Max Synthetic 26-inchers:
The new standard for reliability in autoloading shotguns. VERSA MAX® shatters convention and all previous benchmarks for reliability with an action unlike any that have come before it. Proven in the field and in extreme tests of endurance with thousands of test rounds, it cycles 12-gauge loads with ultimate consistency, softer recoil and less maintenance than you've ever experienced. Any load. Anywhere. Every time - the new pinnacle of autoloader technology. KEY FEATURES: • Most versatile, reliable shotgun on the market. • Reliably cycles 12-gauge rounds from 2 3/4" to 3 1/2" magnum. • Versaport™ gas system regulates cycling pressure based on shell length. • Reduces recoil to that of a 20-gauge. • Self-cleaning - Continuously cycled thousands of rounds in torture test. • Synthetic stock and fore-end with grey overmolded grips. • Drilled and tapped receiver. • Enlarged trigger guard opening and larger safety for easier use with gloves. • TriNyte® Barrel and Nickel Teflon plated internal components offer extreme corrosion resistance. • Includes 5 Flush Mount Pro Bore™ Chokes (Full, Mod, Imp Mod Light Mod, IC I thought about getting the Versa Max Tactical,but I decided I'd rather add whatever accessories I needed down the line, and I wanted the longer barrel for clays. My friends at Nordic Components already have a magazine extension tube for the Versa Max if I want to go that direction, and Briley has a larger bolt handle and bolt release button — I consider these necessary purchases. You'll be seeing lots more on the Versa Max as I work with it... http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2012/03/sorry-for-absence.html As I commented there, with a $1,400 msrp I'll keep my Win 1300 Defender, tyvm. |