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Posted: 10/6/2004 1:06:48 PM EST
Does anyone have access to a bulldozer or better yet a Tank? We should all send our Leatherman's to one member and call the press to record the tank/Bulldozer "demilling" a large pile of leatherman's as a way of publically protesting his anti-sportsman position. Yes anti-sportman. Kerry has plans to take our guns.

Who's game? I'll donate mine.


Bomber
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 1:10:22 PM EST
I lost mine in a boating accident. Really.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 1:24:52 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 1:26:46 PM EST
I dont have to contribute, but Im willing to drive down to VA for the event!
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:03:16 PM EST
Get them fixed (if under warranty), then eBay them (it will cost Leatherman new sales)

He could care less if you bulldoze em, he already has your money. Cut into his sales, it's the only thing a rich spoiled hypocrite (ask him about outsourcing) will understand.

Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:11:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/6/2004 7:35:19 PM EST by warlord]
That is a waste of time, what was the old saying about "cutting off your nose to spit your face?" or something like that. You all bought and paid for Tim's tool, and its paid up. Just don't buy his tool in the future, the sheeples in this world probably wouldn't give a $hit one way or the other whether Tim Leatherman donated to the Dems or Repubs or not.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:12:05 PM EST
been there done that
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:17:15 PM EST
my buddy works for holt cat........................theres always a D6 or D8 dozer at the yard i could "borrow"
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:27:07 PM EST
I'm thinking of sending mine to the troops overseas. A better use for them. I'll include a note that Leatherman supprots Kerry.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:29:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By Merrell:
Get them fixed (if under warranty), then eBay them (it will cost Leatherman new sales)

He could care less if you bulldoze em, he already has your money. Cut into his sales, it's the only thing a rich spoiled hypocrite (ask him about outsourcing) will understand.




+1... That's using your noggen (sp?)!
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:30:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By Merrell:
Get them fixed (if under warranty), then eBay them (it will cost Leatherman new sales)

He could care less if you bulldoze em, he already has your money. Cut into his sales, it's the only thing a rich spoiled hypocrite (ask him about outsourcing) will understand.




Good thinking.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:34:28 PM EST
Cut it up and send it to the company along with your recent Gerber receipt.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:42:32 PM EST
Columbia was also mentioned in that article. Here is the response from my letter to them.

Dear Mr. Shaw,



Thank you for taking the time to contact Columbia Sportswear and share your concerns regarding a recent article in the Oregonian.



Please let me assure that Columbia Sportswear is a bi-partisan and public company that doesn?t affiliate with political candidates or organizations. However, as an outdoor company we are concerned with outdoor issues that effect the environment and our consumer?s ability to enjoy the outdoors. Therefore, we?ve ensured that Columbia representatives have been in attendance during each candidate?s visit to the Pacific Northwest. Specifically, the article that announced our support for the Kerry campaign was a misprint and should have only announced personal support for Kerry on behalf of Peter Bragdon ? a company executive. In addition, it should be noted that other company executives including our CEO and President, Tim Boyle have personally supported the Bush campaign both verbally and monetarily. In conclusion, Columbia Sportswear did not and will not endorse a candidate for President of the United States.



Thanks again for you inquiry and the opportunity to respond to your concerns. Please feel free to contact me if you have any further questions or concerns regarding Columbia Sportswear or our products.



Best wishes,

Kim

Kim Schamp

Public Relations Specialist II

Columbia Sportswear/Sorel

14375 NW Science Park Drive

Portland OR 97229

503.985.4833 FAX 503.985.5959
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:48:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By TimJ:
I'm thinking of sending mine to the troops overseas. A better use for them. I'll include a note that Leatherman supprots Kerry.




That may be the best idea I've heard yet.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:49:07 PM EST
The email I got from Tim Leatherman:

Dear Sir or Madam:
I assure you I have personally read your e-mail. However, due to the volume of messages received, I cannot give a personalized response to each to you.
However, here in a nutshell is a general response:
Because I publicly stated how I am going to cast my vote, almost all of you have threatened a boycott against my company.
So be it.
I took a position, and now I will accept the consequences.
I am still going to do my absolute best to make great tools and hope that you and all Americans, of every political affiliation, will find them of value. If not today, someday.
Tim Leatherman
President
Leatherman Tool Group, Inc.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 7:23:01 PM EST
I have the best idea of all.

Buy his competitor's producct, and send a copy of the receipt to Leatherman's corporate office, explaining why you did so.

Hit them where it hurts, and prove it in black and white.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 11:21:34 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 11:24:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By Troy:
I'm sending the packaging of my new Gerber to Leatherman Co. along with my letter.

-Troy




Best idea right there, if you dont want to own one you got awhile back, get it repaired and sell it.

Cost them money that way, then mail the reciept for the new Gerber you bought to them.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 8:06:20 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 8:31:09 AM EST
Well I think it sucks that he's supporting Hanio John, and they won't be getting another dime of my money, but I'm keeping the tools I already own. I consider it the grandfather clause.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 8:33:46 AM EST
Never hand the inclination to buy one...glad I didn't.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 8:34:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 8:34:39 AM EST by sgthoskins]

Originally Posted By AmericanPatriot1776:
The email I got from Tim Leatherman:

Dear Sir or Madam:
I assure you I have personally read your e-mail. However, due to the volume of messages received, I cannot give a personalized response to each to you.
However, here in a nutshell is a general response:
Because I publicly stated how I am going to cast my vote, almost all of you have threatened a boycott against my company.
So be it.
I took a position, and now I will accept the consequences.
I am still going to do my absolute best to make great tools and hope that you and all Americans, of every political affiliation, will find them of value. If not today, someday.
Tim Leatherman
President
Leatherman Tool Group, Inc.



What is his e-mail address?
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 8:37:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By Troy:
I'm sending the packaging of my new Gerber to Leatherman Co. along with my letter.
-Troy



with "Vote kerry, tim." written on it.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:00:09 AM EST
Maybe it's just me - but this seems a bit ignorant. The guy has a different political opinion than you do. Are you guys going to ask every resteraunt to meet the owner and get his political view, too? Then leave if you don't agree? What about your favorite bar or coffee shop? Do you stop talking to someone the minute you find out they're a different religion than you are? Or have a different sexual preference? Or like Chevy instead of Ford?

Christ, just because the man has a different believe doesn't mean you should go out of your way to try and screw him over. A boycott or other 'attack' is completely unjustified based on what he stated. If he said "The troops are scum and don't deserve to use my products" *THEN* you have a valid reason to screw him over. If you decide that next time you purchase a product you're going to avoid his, that is justified as well - it's a consumer market - but going out of your way to screw his business is childish.

You guys are as bad as the DU pricks who freak out when we say we're voting for Bush without even *trying* to comprehend a reason.

Hang up your ignorance and don't bring yourself down to the DU level.

Doc
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:10:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By DoctorNo:
Maybe it's just me - but this seems a bit ignorant. The guy has a different political opinion than you do. Are you guys going to ask every resteraunt to meet the owner and get his political view, too? Then leave if you don't agree? What about your favorite bar or coffee shop? Do you stop talking to someone the minute you find out they're a different religion than you are? Or have a different sexual preference? Or like Chevy instead of Ford?

Christ, just because the man has a different believe doesn't mean you should go out of your way to try and screw him over. A boycott or other 'attack' is completely unjustified based on what he stated. If he said "The troops are scum and don't deserve to use my products" *THEN* you have a valid reason to screw him over. If you decide that next time you purchase a product you're going to avoid his, that is justified as well - it's a consumer market - but going out of your way to screw his business is childish.

You guys are as bad as the DU pricks who freak out when we say we're voting for Bush without even *trying* to comprehend a reason.

Hang up your ignorance and don't bring yourself down to the DU level.

Doc




Have you bothered to read the whole thread? Your logic is not unlike the logic of a Tim Robbins or Dixie Chicks member who thinks that the 1st Ammendment guaratees them the right to say idiotic things and then not be held accountable by the consumer for it. NOT true! Tim chose to take PUBLIC stand for Kerry. That was a mistake. Had he just gone to the polls and voted Kerry, no one would have cared. We all know that MOST of Hollyweird is voting for Kerry. But I reserve my greatest disgust for the ones who have to spew that fact to the public. A saying for all of these public buffoons should be "shut up and vote", or SUV!!!
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:17:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By DoctorNo:
Maybe it's just me - but this seems a bit ignorant. The guy has a different political opinion than you do. Are you guys going to ask every resteraunt to meet the owner and get his political view, too?



I don't recall any of us asking for Mr. L's opinion. He waved it out in public.


Then leave if you don't agree? What about your favorite bar or coffee shop? Do you stop talking to someone the minute you find out they're a different religion than you are? Or have a different sexual preference? Or like Chevy instead of Ford?


No, but I don't hand them my money, either - especially when their opinions are waved in my face. Chances are that I do business with hundreds of people whose opinions and religions differ from mine. But they and I generally keep our opinions to ourselves (unless they are solicited, or if the risk of losing the transaction is outweighed by the benefit of such charged discussions), and thus we keep business strictly business.
"If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. But if anyone says to you, 'This has been offered in sacrifice [to a god other than the Christian God],' then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake--the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours." I Corinthians 10:27-29a


....just because the man has a different believe doesn't mean you should go out of your way to try and screw him over. A boycott or other 'attack' is completely unjustified based on what he stated. If he said "The troops are scum and don't deserve to use my products" *THEN* you have a valid reason to screw him over. If you decide that next time you purchase a product you're going to avoid his, that is justified as well - it's a consumer market - but going out of your way to screw his business is childish.


I don't recall any desire on my part to "screw him over". I've simply chosen to take my business elsewhere, and will recommend others do the same. When they ask why, I will tell them precisely why- that the company president supports a presidential candidate who stands against nearly everything I hold dear.

If "screw[ing] him over" refers to having warranty work done with the intent to tie up his plant, then you must be sure to exclude me (and probably others) from your general use of "you".


You guys are as bad as the DU pricks who freak out when we say we're voting for Bush without even *trying* to comprehend a reason.

Hang up your ignorance and don't bring yourself down to the DU level.



Please see my comments above on the general use of the pronoun "you".
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:28:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By Red_Label:

Have you bothered to read the whole thread? Your logic is not unlike the logic of a Tim Robbins or Dixie Chicks member who thinks that the 1st Ammendment guaratees them the right to say idiotic things and then not be held accountable by the consumer for it. NOT true! Tim chose to take PUBLIC stand for Kerry. That was a mistake. Had he just gone to the polls and voted Kerry, no one would have cared. We all know that MOST of Hollyweird is voting for Kerry. But I reserve my greatest disgust for the ones who have to spew that fact to the public. A saying for all of these public buffoons should be "shut up and vote", or SUV!!!



Yep, I read it. HAVE YOU? This is what the guy said :


In a nutshell, my position is that personally, I am probably benefiting much more from the Bush tax cuts and other economic policies than most people, but I'm very concerned about where the policies of the current administration are taking this country. I'm very concerned that many, many people are not better off now than they were three and one half years ago, and I'm even more concerned about the future for our children and grandchildren. I don't agree with everything Kerry and Edwards propose either, but I think we need a change.

I'd like to see the proper balance between sustaining and extracting resources, maintaining or improving the environment, and providing recreational use of wilderness and outdoors recreation areas so that they remain open, healthy, and accessible to hunters and anglers and hikers and campers and other outdoor recreationists, now and for future generations. I think Bush has tilted too far to the side of the mining and petroleum interests.

I'm not trying to alienate customers. It has become more difficult and more expensive for Americans to participate in outdoors recreation. Fewer people enjoying quality outdoor experiences means fewer Leatherman tools being sold and fewer jobs in businesses like ours. I have over 300 people working here in my Portland factory. Four years ago I had more. I'd like to at least keep those I have and preferably add more.

Maybe I wasn't very smart to give my job title and business affiliation when I gave my endorsement, rather than to do it personally, but I did. If it costs me business, so be it. I'm still going to do my absolute best to make great tools and hope that all Americans, of any political affiliation, will find them of value.

Sincerely yours,

Tim Leatherman



The Dixie chicks stood up and said that President Bush was dumb and they were ashamed to have him leading our country. They also insulted the American people. They are fucksticks, and deserved every goddamn bit of flame they got.

In what way has this man slandered the country, the president, or the people of America? THE GUY HAS A DIFFERENT POLITICAL VIEW.

Do you see the distinction?

Voting with your money != Actively trying to go out and take away business from someone that you do not agree with politically.

I do agree with you that bringing your opinion to the public eye is a mistake, but we are all human. How many of you just 'shut your mouths' when someone asks you at work? Or at a party? Lord knows I don't - I live in the most liberal city in Texas, and I've had my share of drunken heated discussions with dumbasses who think we're in Iraq only to suck the earth dry of oil.

There's a big difference between having a different opinion and slighting through ignorance.



"If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. But if anyone says to you, 'This has been offered in sacrifice [to a god other than the Christian God],' then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake--the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours." I Corinthians 10:27-29a



So supporting John Kerry means that he doesn't believe in your god, and is against your ways? Man, you need a reality check.



I don't recall any desire on my part to "screw him over". I've simply chosen to take my business elsewhere, and will recommend others do the same. When they ask why, I will tell them precisely why- that the company president supports a presidential candidate who stands against nearly everything I hold dear.



I didn't say *you* personally did. In fact, I agree with the idea of voting with your wallet, if you'll read what *I* said :



If you decide that next time you purchase a product you're going to avoid his, that is justified as well - it's a consumer market - but going out of your way to screw his business is childish.



My point was people who were actively going out to destroy or slight someone's business because they did not agree with their political view was ignorant and foolish, and I stand behind my point.

Doc
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:42:41 PM EST
With Christmas around the corner just put a few Gerber products on your list of stuff to get people. That a least would tip the market share away from Leatherman.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:44:15 PM EST
... I sent them a letter and got this response today:


Dear Sir or Madam:

I assure you I have personally read your e-mail. However, due to the volume of messages received, I cannot give a personalized response to each of you.

However, here in a nutshell is a general response:

Because I publicly stated how I am going to cast my vote, almost all of you have threatened a boycott against my company.

So be it.

I took a position, and now I will accept the consequences.

I am still going to do my absolute best to make great tools and hope that you and all Americans, of every political affiliation, will find them of value. If not today, someday.

Tim Leatherman

President

Leatherman Tool Group, Inc.

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:47:59 PM EST
The guy made a personal decision that will impact his company, his shareholders and his employees....I hope he goes down in flames. Of course, he will blame Bush.

It is unfortunate because he made a good tool and came up with a hell of an idea.

Now I hope he gets the crabs and a bad case of the clap
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:57:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By DoctorNo:

Originally Posted By Red_Label:

Have you bothered to read the whole thread? Your logic is not unlike the logic of a Tim Robbins or Dixie Chicks member who thinks that the 1st Ammendment guaratees them the right to say idiotic things and then not be held accountable by the consumer for it. NOT true! Tim chose to take PUBLIC stand for Kerry. That was a mistake. Had he just gone to the polls and voted Kerry, no one would have cared. We all know that MOST of Hollyweird is voting for Kerry. But I reserve my greatest disgust for the ones who have to spew that fact to the public. A saying for all of these public buffoons should be "shut up and vote", or SUV!!!



Yep, I read it. HAVE YOU? This is what the guy said :


In a nutshell, my position is that personally, I am probably benefiting much more from the Bush tax cuts and other economic policies than most people, but I'm very concerned about where the policies of the current administration are taking this country. I'm very concerned that many, many people are not better off now than they were three and one half years ago, and I'm even more concerned about the future for our children and grandchildren. I don't agree with everything Kerry and Edwards propose either, but I think we need a change.

I'd like to see the proper balance between sustaining and extracting resources, maintaining or improving the environment, and providing recreational use of wilderness and outdoors recreation areas so that they remain open, healthy, and accessible to hunters and anglers and hikers and campers and other outdoor recreationists, now and for future generations. I think Bush has tilted too far to the side of the mining and petroleum interests.

I'm not trying to alienate customers. It has become more difficult and more expensive for Americans to participate in outdoors recreation. Fewer people enjoying quality outdoor experiences means fewer Leatherman tools being sold and fewer jobs in businesses like ours. I have over 300 people working here in my Portland factory. Four years ago I had more. I'd like to at least keep those I have and preferably add more.

Maybe I wasn't very smart to give my job title and business affiliation when I gave my endorsement, rather than to do it personally, but I did. If it costs me business, so be it. I'm still going to do my absolute best to make great tools and hope that all Americans, of any political affiliation, will find them of value.

Sincerely yours,

Tim Leatherman



The Dixie chicks stood up and said that President Bush was dumb and they were ashamed to have him leading our country. They also insulted the American people. They are fucksticks, and deserved every goddamn bit of flame they got.

In what way has this man slandered the country, the president, or the people of America? THE GUY HAS A DIFFERENT POLITICAL VIEW.

Do you see the distinction?

Voting with your money != Actively trying to go out and take away business from someone that you do not agree with politically.

I do agree with you that bringing your opinion to the public eye is a mistake, but we are all human. How many of you just 'shut your mouths' when someone asks you at work? Or at a party? Lord knows I don't - I live in the most liberal city in Texas, and I've had my share of drunken heated discussions with dumbasses who think we're in Iraq only to suck the earth dry of oil.

There's a big difference between having a different opinion and slighting through ignorance.



"If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. But if anyone says to you, 'This has been offered in sacrifice [to a god other than the Christian God],' then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake--the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours." I Corinthians 10:27-29a



So supporting John Kerry means that he doesn't believe in your god, and is against your ways? Man, you need a reality check.



I don't recall any desire on my part to "screw him over". I've simply chosen to take my business elsewhere, and will recommend others do the same. When they ask why, I will tell them precisely why- that the company president supports a presidential candidate who stands against nearly everything I hold dear.



I didn't say *you* personally did. In fact, I agree with the idea of voting with your wallet, if you'll read what *I* said :



If you decide that next time you purchase a product you're going to avoid his, that is justified as well - it's a consumer market - but going out of your way to screw his business is childish.



My point was people who were actively going out to destroy or slight someone's business because they did not agree with their political view was ignorant and foolish, and I stand behind my point.

Doc




You don't get it. We have a right to choose where we spend our money. If we decide that we no longer want to support Leatherman, then using your logic, why do you give a flip? We're just expressing ourselves.

Bomber
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 6:04:54 PM EST
Bomber: Apparently you can't freakin' read, either. I would suggest trying to digest what the hell I was trying to say. Since that may be too much for you, I will simplify it and use small words.

In all my posts, I have clarified (more than once) that voting with your money is perfectly acceptable. Actively going out and seeking to destroy someone's business because the owner's political view clashes with your own is fucking ignorant. Capiche?

Not everyone in this thread has said that they are actively trying to turn business away from Leatherman. Instead, they have said that since they disagree with his politics, they will no longer patronize his products. This is perfectly acceptible, and logical.

Do I need to use smaller words, or do ya'll get it now?

Doc

Link Posted: 10/8/2004 3:20:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By DoctorNo:



Originally Posted By Brisk322:
"If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. But if anyone says to you, 'This has been offered in sacrifice [to a god other than the Christian God],' then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake--the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours." I Corinthians 10:27-29a



So supporting John Kerry means that he doesn't believe in your god, and is against your ways? Man, you need a reality check.



My statement in brackets was for the benefit of those who aren't familiar with the passage I quoted, not to imply anything regarding any particular person's beliefs. Please pardon my lack of clarity on that point.
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 3:30:12 AM EST
Toss is and buy a Gerber
Link Posted: 10/10/2004 1:36:45 PM EST
Screw Leatherman. You have to stand up for what you believe in. Yes, we can all go out & buy other tool made by someone else. That's easy. Hell, I'm building a new Ar with ALL the evil features on it!! Because now,I can. You guys all do what you think you have to to make a statement. Our kids are fighting today for that right. DO NOT let ANYONE talk you out of something you'd like to do to make a statement.

But first & formost , SCREW LEATHERMAN. He supports this Socialist / Communist Kerry !
On TV this morning, the boy ambulance chaser & Doctor hater Edwards told George Stephanolopis that he would not support limits on Lawyers in suits in the medical field. "But health care costs have gone up 200% under Bushes Administration". Well, THAT fuck is personally responsible for the increases. HE LIES TO THE PEOPLE, AND LEATHERMAN SUPPORTS THIS FUCK!

SO SCREW LEATHERMAN & ALL HIS FUCKING LIBERAL PALS. I HOPE HE ROTS IN HELL NEXT TO CORPSES OF DEAD CHILDREN THAT WERE PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTED! AFTER ALL, HE SUPPORTS THAT MURDER!





Link Posted: 10/10/2004 1:42:11 PM EST
does anyone here really think a boycott is going to hurt leatherman, himself? no. it is going to hurt his employees. do you know what their political affiliation is?

god, some of you sure are ridiculous.

the doc has it right.
Link Posted: 10/10/2004 1:44:58 PM EST
poink: How true, but in every war there are always the unintended civilian causulties ie collateral damage, but that is life. Mr. Leatherman is a millionair many times over, and this boycott will just hurt his ego, and not his bank account.
Link Posted: 10/10/2004 1:46:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By warlord:
poink: How true, but in every war there are always the unintended civilian causulties ie collateral damage, but that is life. Mr. Leatherman is a millionair many times over, and this boycott will just hurt his ego, and not his bank account.



or, most likely, it will hurt the people he has manufacturing his products. do you think they are all kerry supporters?
Link Posted: 10/10/2004 1:54:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By poink:

Originally Posted By warlord:
poink: How true, but in every war there are always the unintended civilian causulties ie collateral damage, but that is life. Mr. Leatherman is a millionair many times over, and this boycott will just hurt his ego, and not his bank account.



or, most likely, it will hurt the people he has manufacturing his products. do you think they are all kerry supporters?


Unfortuanately, sometimes you have to cut-off the arm to save the body.
Link Posted: 10/10/2004 4:47:54 PM EST
And the "we don't give a shit about anyone except ourselves" attitude rears its head again...

Don't be a DUmbass.

Doc
Link Posted: 10/10/2004 4:54:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By thebomber:
........................................

Who's game? I'll donate mine.


Bomber



Give me $87 and I'll give you mine.
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