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4/19/2005 3:58:09 PM EDT
In my communications class for our last speech, we get to do a non standard speech about anything we want.  I of course opted to do a pro-gun speech.

My plan is to give them a quiz/SCHOOL them in gun laws, statistics, and reality.  I plan to put up pictures of an MG, SBR, AOW, suppressed pistol, AR, and possibly AR pistol, and ask them which are legal to own.  (Which of course they all are  )

Then I plan to give a breakdown of the ramifications of owning each weapon and how many people each year are killed by them in relation to something simple - like car accidents or drownings or something.  

Some questions - am I correct in saying that no civilian has ever been killed by a civilian MG owner, just a couple cops that went psycho?  

Does anybody know if anyone has ever been killed with a legally owned SBR, AOW, or suppressed firearm?  

I am open to any suggestions or advice you have.  The speech can be 10 minutes, and the quiz portion probably won't take too long.  

P.S. I go to Loyola Chicago, my professor is in Greenpeace, and my whole class leans ever so slightly to the left
4/19/2005 4:40:41 PM EDT
[#1]
more guns less crime is a good start.

I would hit the big points, CCW causes violent crime to generally drop, Criminals will always get weapons prohibition showed that making something illegal just creates a black market.

firearms are used 1 million times a year to prevent crimes.
4/19/2005 5:14:48 PM EDT
[#2]
My son did a speach on gun control and genocide. It made his Lib teacher pro-gun.
4/19/2005 5:23:44 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Does anybody know if anyone has ever been killed with a legally owned SBR, AOW, or suppressed firearm?  



IIRC in Atlanta about 10 years or so ago a class III dealer had been broken into a couple times, no MGs were taken because of how they were kept in a safe.  The guy waited and basically lived in his shop and ended up ambushing three "democrats" with his M-16.  I believe 2 were killed instantly and the 3rd  was captured by police later that night.  YUou may need to look it up for more detail but at least this is a starting point for you.

4/19/2005 5:27:25 PM EDT
[#4]
"Why has defenselessness become socially acceptable in America?"
4/19/2005 5:28:42 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
My son did a speach on gun control and genocide. It made his Lib teacher pro-gun.



+1

If I recall correctly, something like 170,000,000 people were murdered by their own government during the 20th century (in different nations of course). Each of the slaughters was preceded by gun control laws and gun confiscation.

Also, you might want to mention the Warsaw uprising. 12 or 13 Jews in the Warsaw ghetto held off the SS for a couple of weeks with a few rifles and a couple of handguns.
4/19/2005 5:29:25 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
In my communications class for our last speech, we get to do a non standard speech about anything we want.  I of course opted to do a pro-gun speech.

My plan is to give them a quiz/SCHOOL them in gun laws, statistics, and reality.  I plan to put up pictures of an MG, SBR, AOW, suppressed pistol, AR, and possibly AR pistol, and ask them which are legal to own.  (Which of course they all are  )

Then I plan to give a breakdown of the ramifications of owning each weapon and how many people each year are killed by them in relation to something simple - like car accidents or drownings or something.  

Some questions - am I correct in saying that no civilian has ever been killed by a civilian MG owner, just a couple cops that went psycho?  

Does anybody know if anyone has ever been killed with a legally owned SBR, AOW, or suppressed firearm?  

I am open to any suggestions or advice you have.  The speech can be 10 minutes, and the quiz portion probably won't take too long.  

P.S. I go to Loyola Chicago, my professor is in Greenpeace, and my whole class leans ever so slightly to the left



go to Guncite
www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html

some of my essays

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=14&t=233638
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=14&t=228008
4/19/2005 5:39:06 PM EDT
[#7]
Depending on the crowd your speaking to( I assume white republicans, explain that most gun deaths occur in minoroty areas) their is no better source than the D.O.J. facts and stats don't lie.


ETA: Most gun control advocates are middle class-wealthy whites.
4/19/2005 6:10:04 PM EDT
[#8]
Had a few that complained about the proliferation of "assault weapons"   in the late eighties that caused the gov't. to step in.....pointed out that Colt was selling an AR15 variant  commercially before the Beatles played on Ed Sullivan, so where was  the carnage all these years?
4/19/2005 6:17:02 PM EDT
[#9]
You need facts, not internet rumors. If anyone questions your facts afterwards, you need to be able to provide sources. Here's an excellent fact sheet, in PDF file format:

GunFacts 4.0
4/19/2005 6:49:53 PM EDT
[#10]
Just be sure this is the last one, and your instructor is not planning a trap where everyone has to present the opposing positon to their favorite topic for the final grade.
4/19/2005 7:17:18 PM EDT
[#11]
Contact the NRA. They will send you a great deal of info if you tell them you are doing a research paper. I did this way back when I was in college. It saved me a few trips to the library.
4/19/2005 7:57:58 PM EDT
[#12]
Thanks for all the help guys.  

Do you have to be  member of the NRA for them to help you?  (I'm in GOA, but haven't ponied up for NRA membership yet)
4/19/2005 8:17:09 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
You need facts, not internet rumors. If anyone questions your facts afterwards, you need to be able to provide sources. Here's an excellent fact sheet, in PDF file format:

GunFacts 4.0



HOLY MOTHER that is an awesome site.  I could teach a 3 credit hour class for a semester from that alone.  

Thanks a ton Skibane.
4/19/2005 8:31:09 PM EDT
[#14]


4/19/2005 8:47:04 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You need facts, not internet rumors. If anyone questions your facts afterwards, you need to be able to provide sources. Here's an excellent fact sheet, in PDF file format:

GunFacts 4.0



HOLY MOTHER that is an awesome site.  I could teach a 3 credit hour class for a semester from that alone.  

Thanks a ton Skibane.



That is a really good like, nice job.
4/19/2005 8:56:10 PM EDT
[#16]
Some excellent insight here:  link
4/19/2005 11:40:33 PM EDT
[#17]
Are you interested in converting\educating them or do you just want to rub their noses in it??
I was just thinking about what seems to be the "tone" of your presentation
Its real hard to sell someone something after you call them an idiot  
4/20/2005 2:59:34 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
Thanks for all the help guys.  

Do you have to be  member of the NRA for them to help you?  (I'm in GOA, but haven't ponied up for NRA membership yet)



If you call and want info you will get it.  But may I ask why you have held off joining the NRA?

There are a few places you can go online, some have already been mentioned.  One that hasnt is www.johnrlott.com/.  John was a very strong supporter of grabbing guns and decided to do a statistical analisis to prove that guns are bad and evil.  He changed his own mind and is now one of the strongest supporters of the Association.  Both his books, and sadly I havent had time to read either yet, are incredable hard numbers support of owning guns.

I will look up the ILAs 800 line (I think I have that on my cheet sheet at work) and post that up.  
Quick disclaimer, my spelling sucks.  Especially before my first cup of coffee.
4/20/2005 4:31:54 AM EDT
[#19]
NRA Institute for Legislative Action (ILA)

(800) 392-8683

Also good for information on state and federal gun laws.  They keep pamphlets on each state and a book on the federal laws that they send out when requested.
4/20/2005 9:08:27 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
Are you interested in converting\educating them or do you just want to rub their noses in it??
I was just thinking about what seems to be the "tone" of your presentation
Its real hard to sell someone something after you call them an idiot  



My plan is to shock/awe them by showing that the most un-pc and "deadly" weapons are in fact the least dangerous in real life, and possibly to open their eyes to the fact that gun laws don't do jack.
4/20/2005 11:33:04 AM EDT
[#21]
personal expeiernce

its better to have a gun than not to have one

and the BGs will ALWAYS get guns (usually illegally) so, why are the laws happering law abiding citizens from getting guns
4/20/2005 11:35:22 AM EDT
[#22]
when they say x amount of kids are killed by guns a year, they really mean x amount of underage drug dealers shot another drug dealer. Hardly kids
4/20/2005 12:20:15 PM EDT
[#23]
Give the speech as if you were arguing for gun rights,Then dont use one of your own words just use quotes of the founding fathers,Its great when 200year old words of heros say every thing needed to be said.No one could argue with it.
4/20/2005 7:20:38 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Are you interested in converting\educating them or do you just want to rub their noses in it??
I was just thinking about what seems to be the "tone" of your presentation
Its real hard to sell someone something after you call them an idiot  



My plan is to shock/awe them by showing that the most un-pc and "deadly" weapons are in fact the least dangerous in real life, and possibly to open their eyes to the fact that gun laws don't do jack.



Great plan, I was just trying to point out that there are "good" and "bad" ways to tell
people their "core" beliefs are Bu11$h!t
4/20/2005 7:52:09 PM EDT
[#25]
I tried giving a T2A speech in college, and it had some problems due to the audience. Here are some hints for you:

1: Keep it simple stupid. I mean real stupid. People don't know, and don't want to know, about the specifics of the assault weapon ban. They don't want to hear technical details about flash supressors or collapsable stocks.

2: Learn to walk before you try to run. Don't bother trying to convice anyone that machine guns should be less regulated or how no one has ever been killed by a .50. To average joe college student, these are WMD's and no amount of statistics will change their minds.

3: Stick with basic, one-liner concepts, and then reinforce them through the speech. Concepts such as gun laws only affect law abiding people, and are thus meaningless. Or that the 2nd amendment is about individual rights, not state militias, etc.

Y our target audience will most likely be hostile. A key point that I made in my speech, that I think did hit the audience like a ton of bricks, was the use of analogies such as 'banning guns because someone committed a crime with one would be like banning corvettes because someone drove wrecklessly'. Use simple, basic, logical arguments. don't get tied up in quotes, facts, or statistics.

Oh yeah, here is a really good pro T2A website that has lots of poster-esque pics and is targeted towards non-pro-gunners. There are a lot of good basic concepts from there you can use:

www.a-human-right.com/
4/20/2005 7:56:29 PM EDT
[#26]

Come and Get’em    



I spent my Mother’s Day down in DC, participating in the Second Amendment Sister’s pro-2nd Amendment Rally.  It was a truly inspirational event.  While there, I realized that the gun debate is a hopelessly polarized issue.



Our pro-gun side has the facts and the stats on our side.  Even Maryland Attorney General Joseph Curran (author of “A Fairwell to Arms”) admits that privately owned guns are used to save over 120,000 lives each year, far more than the 35 to 50,000 killed.  Other studies place defensive use of guns at 2.5 million uses each year.  No matter which statistic you use, guns do more good than harm.  Accidental gun deaths are way down.  Crime is down.  States with “liberal” concealed carry laws have seen dramatic drops in crime.  When was the last time you heard of a tourist being assaulted in Florida?  This doesn’t seem to matter to the anti-gun crowd.  They don’t understand guns, and they don’t want to.  The Million Mom March organizers refuse to join the NRA in educating children in gun safety.  The NRA’s Eddie Eagle program doesn’t promote gun ownership, it just tells kids not to touch a gun they find, and to get an adult.  Common sense, right?  Not to the Million Moms.



We have common sense on our side.  A criminal, by definition, won’t obey the laws. Even MD AG Joseph Curran admits this.  Additionally, under the 5th Amendment a criminal is exempt from licensing and registration (self-incrimination).  Common sense would tell us that a criminal would remain armed, while the victim is being disarmed by gun control.  Common sense tells us that the police need guns to deal with criminals.  Why don’t civilians?  Which would you rather have when facing a rapist or murderer, a cell phone or a gun?  The dirty little secret is that police have no legal obligation to protect you.  Who will?



We have the Constitution on our side.  Most serious Constitutional Scholars have come to the conclusion that the 2nd Amendment relates to the people, not the National Guard.  Our Founding Fathers feared a tyrannical government, and felt the 2nd was the Amendment that guaranteed all the rest.  Read the Federalist Papers to get further insight into their rational, or listen to them directly:

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the _real_ object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"

-Patrick Henry (1736-1799)

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater … confidence than an armed man."

Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and punishment (1764).

Somehow, all this doesn’t seem to matter.  Gun owners are demonized using the same methods that Adolph Hitler used to demonize the Jews:

*   Identification  - we have the government and health care identifying gun owners as a public threat

*   Ostracizing  - there is a campaign to make gun owner pariahs, even to the point of keeping your children from visiting a home with a gun

*   Confiscation – this has already started with New York, DC, California.  The MMM is calling for the elimination of handguns.

Gun owners have become the New Jews of America.  We are believed to be dangerous, uncaring monsters that pose a public health risk.  Genocide was has always been preceded by Gun Control.

Many of us are sick of arguing.  Despite having the facts, the stats, the Constitution, and common sense on our side, we continue to lose our rights.  The anti-gun crowd accuses us of failing to compromise.  What is compromise?  I was raised to believe a compromise is where both sides give a little.  The anti-gun crowd believes compromise is where they demand everything, and get some of it each time.  What have we EVER received in these compromises?  Our rights continue to be eroded, one piece at a time.  We have never received any concessions in return.  We would like a National Concealed Carry.   Where is the compromise?

Thomas Jefferson said, “The beauty of the 2nd Amendment is that it will never be needed until they try to take it away.”  If they want our guns, let them come and take them.  The British tried over 200 years ago at Lexington and Concord, and you know where that got them.  It’s not about guns, it’s about Liberty!  Freedom!

COME AND GET’EM!

- 19 May, 2000 Paul E. Britton

5/3/2005 10:05:47 AM EDT
[#27]
Thank you to everyone who gave me ideas.

The final product wasn't as staunchly pro-gun as I would have liked it, but the professor was looking for more entertaining and introspective speeches than highly motivated political speeches.

So I started it off by saying that there is a product that is both a menace/plague to American streets, gave some apalling stats (4 children died a day in 2003 as a direct result), and told them all it was CARS.  and that we, as a society, need CAR CONTROL.  I called for waiting periods. child safety locks, background checks/closing of the car show loophole, and possession/performance restrictions.  It was actually pretty funny.  

Then at the end I told them that if for every time I said "car" if it were replace w/ "gun" the argument somehow becomes logical/socially acceptable.  

The real kicker was my last quote.  I'd like to think I'm the first one to say it, but somebody probably already has it copywrighted: "Values that are held blindly and never challenged have little value at all" in reference to how people hold gun control ideas blindly.