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Posted: 7/17/2002 6:54:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/17/2002 7:26:49 AM EST by Kar98]
Think about it, folks: Every prick, jerk, asshole, low-life armchair warrior, bitch with a socialist agenda, self-righteous snitch, whoever thinks society owes him one will sign up for that program. The Republicrat party official who is quite full of himself and hears you muttering "yeah, right" during one of his speeches. That neighbor of yours who thinks everybody who drives a car better than his must be a crook. The ghetto kid (REGARDLESS of race) who blames you for his shitty life and wants to get back at 'the rich folk'. Your WIFE who thinks you have too many guns. Your [b]CHILDREN[/b] who are taught that to be a good [i]citizen[/i] they must report everything suspicious. [red][b]YOURSELF[/b][/red] because the $AGENCY threatened you to throw you in jail "Think about your family and your career, Comrade Citizen!", if you don't report on your friends, neighbors, co-workers. Almost 300 million Americans, and you can trust not a single one of them? "Shhhh! Be quite, you never know who's listening!" ... "Don't say that over the phone, sheesh!" ... "Not in front of the children, they like their new teacher!" ... Operation Snitch, I meant Tips violates almost every single fscking article of the Bill of Rights. It's up to yourself now to decide [i]which[/i] banner you're willing to carry, this one [img]http://www.thisnation.com/media/photos/flagatindependence.jpg[/img], or that one. [img]http://www.ddr-bilder.de/Fotos/Aufmaers/A1_foto.jpg[/img]. There can be no compromise.
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 7:04:01 AM EST
It's about time the US had it's own Gestapo Force! [rolleyes]
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Link Posted: 7/17/2002 7:09:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/17/2002 7:11:21 AM EST by Cincinnatus]
To avoid any problems, I only plan to rat-out [b][u]ARABS[/u][/b]. ...AND BELIEVE ME, I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM DROPPING A DIME ON [b]ANY AND EVERY[/b] ARAB, THAT I FIND TO BE EVEN SLIGHTLY "SUSPICIOUS". YES, indeed, I suppose that's racial profiling... ...so sue me.
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 7:21:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/17/2002 7:23:41 AM EST by Waldo]
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Link Posted: 7/17/2002 7:43:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/17/2002 7:55:29 AM EST by Cincinnatus]
Hey, guess what? I'm capable of using judgement. Guess what else? I travel and work in Patterson and Jersey City, all the time. You know what else? There are MANY supporters of Al Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc., in these cities. If I see them holding a protest, where they demonstrate SUPPORT for the very same people that killed my friends and neighbors.... ...I'm dropping a BIG dime on them. I rented space to an Arab-American Social club. If I suspect that they're raising funds for Hamas, or Hezbollah, will I drop a dime on them? You bet your ass I will. If I even suspect that they have the slightest sypathies for Al Qaeda... ...DIME! IF AN ARAB AR15.COM MEMBER BEGAN SPOUTING OFF ABOUT HOW HE SUPPORTS TERRORIST ACTIONS AGAINST THE USA.... ...then he's the enemy, and I'll do whatever it takes to bring HIM down. [b]Don't be a fool and assume that there is a slippery slope, that we aren't capable of thinking, THAT ONLY THE GOVERNMENT CAN KEEP US SAFE![/b] WTF happened to all of you "we're all the Militia" folks? Remember? "We can help..." "we can prevent terrorism, too..." Smell the coffee.
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Link Posted: 7/17/2002 7:51:40 AM EST
Please. Are you telling me that if saw what you perceived to be individuals who were conspiring to commit a terrorist act, that you would do nothing? Are some of you so paranoid, that you would rather not say anything, for fear of being a "snitch"? And no, I haven't had more than a cup [:)]... (nor do appreciate your insinuation that I'm on crank)
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 7:53:30 AM EST
im with Cincinnatus. i too have plenty of dimes.
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 8:04:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/17/2002 8:07:02 AM EST by thebeekeeper1]
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Link Posted: 7/17/2002 8:15:57 AM EST
The stated intent of Operation Tips is to increase the intelligence gathering to aid in the war on terrorism, on our own soil. If you read between the lines, you could make a great case for detecting suspicious activities of individulas currently at war with the US, (read ARABS!). But.... would a national, or regional law enforcement agency pass up on good intel regarding illegal activities of common criminals? No, they will use any good intel to "bust perps". From this situation, it is but a small step to these local agencies getting bad intel from Operation Tips personnel that are in a fight with their girlfriend, or hate their boss, or want to see someone go down for a crime they committed. This is indeed a slippery slope!
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 8:21:32 AM EST
A friend of mine who is in the FBI said that after 9/11, they received all sorts of "tips", reporting "suspicious Arab men". Most of these "tips" came from areas in and around Jersey City, Patterson, and Trenton. They looked into all "tips", and guess what? MOST of the "suspicious Arab men" were indeed SUSPICIOUS ARAB MEN. Many we're illegal aliens, some had ties to terror org.s.
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 8:22:37 AM EST
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Link Posted: 7/17/2002 8:33:39 AM EST
Originally Posted By osprey21: Brown Shirts Brown shirts here in the white house Brown shirts up on top of the hill Brown shirts can you hear them marching I swear they are marching still.......
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I don't get all this brown shirt stuff.
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 8:38:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By raf: Wigs, it's done [i]already[/i].
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What do you mean? For clarification, to me, the most worrisome aspect is not a national organization tasked to generate intel on the BG's. (We ARE at war against a group of people that express repeatedly the desire to see America destroyed.) Use of all tools at our disposal is indicated and needed. But, the worrisome aspect is that unscrupulous "officials" and Operation Tips personnel would have the opportunity for personal misuse of the system. Just because someone is in a position of authority doe not mean that they are trustworthy. Is there provisions for some sort of Internal Affairs at Operation Tips? If so, what agency is going to oversee the Internal Affairs? And so on and so on. So far, the rampant governmentalization of an effort has had no appreciable effect on the target problem. (i.e. the War on Drugs) I am harboring little or no hope that this latest attempt will have any measure of success, but rather I am worried that the 'inalienable' rights described by our forefathers will again be the victim.
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 8:39:10 AM EST
Watch the episode of the Twilight Zone titled "The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street" to see where all of this is heading.
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 8:42:10 AM EST
I wish everyone would make up their metaphorical minds... ...which is it? Are we turning into Nazis, or are we turning into Communists? (Or are we being taken over by aliens?) Make up your minds.
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 8:45:21 AM EST
Operation TIPS, brought to you by your friendly Republicans who always "vote for freedom first"... yeah right. Bush got elected (arrg, he wasn't elected)saying he is for smaller govt, and made it bigger... freedom first but he is taking away our rights... balanced budget but he is running a deficit... his tax cut to the rich sent 46 states into deficits... their get govt off their backs and deregulate business has set loose the crooks in wall street... looks like we have met the enemy and it is us, for believing their lies
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Link Posted: 7/17/2002 8:52:51 AM EST
Originally Posted By Mt-car: Operation TIPS, brought to you by your friendly Republicans who always "vote for freedom first"... yeah right. Bush got elected (arrg, he wasn't elected)saying he is for smaller govt, and made it bigger... freedom first but he is taking away our rights... balanced budget but he is running a deficit... his tax cut to the rich sent 46 states into deficits... their get govt off their backs and deregulate business has set loose the crooks in wall street... looks like we have met the enemy and it is us, for believing their lies
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So you're a democrat, trolling on a gun-board... ...how boring. If you're not a democrat, how did you get a hold of a copy of their Inane Talking Points?
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 8:54:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/17/2002 9:30:55 AM EST by thebeekeeper1]
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 9:07:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/17/2002 9:09:08 AM EST by Cincinnatus]
Originally Posted By Mt-car: Operation TIPS, brought to you by [red]your friendly Republicans[/red] who always "vote for freedom first"... yeah right. Bush got elected [red](arrg, he wasn't elected)[/red]saying he is for smaller govt, and made it bigger... freedom first but he is taking away our rights... balanced budget but he is running a deficit...[red] his tax cut to the rich sent 46 states into deficits[/red]... their[red] get govt off their backs and deregulate business has set loose the crooks in wall street[/red]... looks like we have met the enemy and it is us, for believing their lies
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No, we don't agree[:)].... YOU say he's been "spending too much time over on DU"... I think he should spend MORE time there. Less here. [;)]
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 9:28:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By Imbroglio: Watch the episode of the Twilight Zone titled "The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street" to see where all of this is heading.
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Is that the one where the guy shoots his neighbor in the dark without seeing who he is?
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 9:32:45 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 1:06:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By raf: No offense, KAR, but I think you're over-reacting just a [i]little[/i] bit.
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I think I'm merely [i]experienced[/i] with that kind of crap.
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