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Posted: 1/11/2015 3:21:56 AM EST
I'm going to take a look at a safe on Monday and wanted some opinions as to what it's worth. It's an antique double-door model made by Barnes out of Pittsburgh, PA and it has a known, working combo. The seller says it's approx. 6'6" tall, 4' wide, and 2'6" deep. There is a large set of outer double doors that open to reveal a smaller set. He says it weighs between 2500-3000 lbs. It's located at a warehouse with access to a forklift, so loading it onto my trailer will be a non-issue.

Here are some pics of similar looking safes.





Thoughts on price?
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 3:43:35 AM EST
So far it is pretty typical.

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Link Posted: 1/11/2015 3:47:53 AM EST
DAY 1
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 3:54:48 AM EST
Those massive doors take up so much space it holds what, a pack of tic tacs? I'd give up durability for capacity when it comes to firearm storage, unless I had guns worth $10k+ each.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 4:12:55 AM EST
What are you gonna store in there? Unless that one is free, I'd keep looking.
Those doors are too thick to store many guns.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 4:35:14 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 4:39:34 AM EST
I have one with similar outside dimensions, larger inside.
Still not enough room...




Link Posted: 1/11/2015 7:46:42 AM EST
The interior dimensions he gave me are 55" tall, 44" wide, and 22" deep. Also forgot to put that he's asking $800.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 7:48:51 AM EST
When buying a safe, ALWAYS buy 2-3X what you think you will need (spacewise).
It will still be wayyyyy too small, but at least you tried.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 7:55:34 AM EST
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The interior dimensions he gave me are 55" tall, 44" wide, and 22" deep. Also forgot to put that he's asking $800.
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if those are the interior, with doors like shown above, its going to be 7 feet tall, 6 feet wide, 4 feet deep, and weight 3000 lbs.

no thanks
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 7:56:50 AM EST

Still seems like a kinda high price for the safe. although a regular gun safe with similar inside dimensions would be around the same price if not more. Also what does it weigh?? if they can put it on a trailer with a fork, how are you going to get it off and moved at home?
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 7:59:17 AM EST
Will be interested in seeing it fall through the floor of the trailer.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 8:00:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Dr_Dickie:
When buying a safe, ALWAYS buy 2-3X what you think you will need (spacewise).
It will still be wayyyyy too small, but at least you tried.
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Truth!

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Link Posted: 1/11/2015 8:01:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By NavyNukeET:
The interior dimensions he gave me are 55" tall, 44" wide, and 22" deep. Also forgot to put that he's asking $800.
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You could get a nice, new safe for around that much...
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 8:03:04 AM EST
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Originally Posted By maggiethecat:


if those are the interior, with doors like shown above, its going to be 7 feet tall, 6 feet wide, 4 feet deep, and weight 3000 lbs.

no thanks
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Originally Posted By maggiethecat:
Originally Posted By NavyNukeET:
The interior dimensions he gave me are 55" tall, 44" wide, and 22" deep. Also forgot to put that he's asking $800.


if those are the interior, with doors like shown above, its going to be 7 feet tall, 6 feet wide, 4 feet deep, and weight 3000 lbs.

no thanks
I bet that much steel weighs 5k or more.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 8:05:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By chadwimc:

You could get a nice, new safe RSC for around that much...
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Originally Posted By chadwimc:
Originally Posted By NavyNukeET:
The interior dimensions he gave me are 55" tall, 44" wide, and 22" deep. Also forgot to put that he's asking $800.

You could get a nice, new safe RSC for around that much...

Link Posted: 1/11/2015 8:10:13 AM EST
You can get them to put it on your trailer with a forklift, but how are you going to get it off when you get it home ?

Not that it can't be done, but you better have a game plan.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 8:12:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By chadwimc:
I have one with similar outside dimensions, larger inside.
Still not enough room...


<a href="http://s192.photobucket.com/user/chadwimc/media/garage7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z64/chadwimc/garage7.jpg</a>

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The Fudd is strong here.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 8:12:48 AM EST
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Originally Posted By NavyNukeET:
The interior dimensions he gave me are 55" tall, 44" wide, and 22" deep. Also forgot to put that he's asking $800.
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Math doesn't seem to add up, but if it's a functional safe in good working condition, and if you can do the handling safely, and if you're sure you want a beast like that, I say go for it.

Those side walls look like they're thicker than 4 in.

Does that height measurement include the wheels, or is it just the safe body?

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Link Posted: 1/11/2015 8:20:08 AM EST
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The Fudd is strong here.
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Originally Posted By bluedogsixty:
Originally Posted By chadwimc:
I have one with similar outside dimensions, larger inside.
Still not enough room...


<a href="http://s192.photobucket.com/user/chadwimc/media/garage7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z64/chadwimc/garage7.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s192.photobucket.com/user/chadwimc/media/gun4.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z64/chadwimc/gun4.jpg</a>


The Fudd is strong here.


And jealousy raises its ugly head...That's only *ONE* safe...
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 8:47:23 AM EST
That's a pretty cool safe. I'd buy it just for the hell of it.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 8:49:23 AM EST
In on 1.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 9:21:56 AM EST
One thing I've learned when it comes to safes is #1 the stated capacity is always half of what it says (unless you want your firearms literally laying on top of each other), and #2 bigger IS always better. I have 3 safes and still not enough storage, so I agree with one of the previous posters, worry about capacity first, then durability, but fire rated is a must.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 9:29:46 AM EST
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Originally Posted By suthrnstyl2003:
One thing I've learned when it comes to safes is #1 the stated capacity is always half of what it says (unless you want your firearms literally laying on top of each other), and #2 bigger IS always better. I have 3 safes and still not enough storage, so I agree with one of the previous posters, worry about capacity first, then durability, but fire rated is a must.
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Safe Fire rating for any fire that burns the structure down essentially will result in the contents being lost as well.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 9:34:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By bluedogsixty:


The Fudd is strong here.
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Originally Posted By bluedogsixty:
Originally Posted By chadwimc:
I have one with similar outside dimensions, larger inside.
Still not enough room...


<a href="http://s192.photobucket.com/user/chadwimc/media/garage7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z64/chadwimc/garage7.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s192.photobucket.com/user/chadwimc/media/gun4.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z64/chadwimc/gun4.jpg</a>


The Fudd is strong here.


Not if the XM177-E2 is real.

Link Posted: 1/11/2015 9:38:40 AM EST
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Safe Fire rating for any fire that burns the structure down essentially will result in the contents being lost as well.
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Originally Posted By suthrnstyl2003:
One thing I've learned when it comes to safes is #1 the stated capacity is always half of what it says (unless you want your firearms literally laying on top of each other), and #2 bigger IS always better. I have 3 safes and still not enough storage, so I agree with one of the previous posters, worry about capacity first, then durability, but fire rated is a must.
Safe Fire rating for any fire that burns the structure down essentially will result in the contents being lost as well.
Possibly, but at least you tried. Most structure fires around here are extinguished relatively quickly by the fd. Mostly single story, single family homes around here. A safe with a 30-45 minute rating could help. Even if it doesn't save everything inside.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 10:22:55 AM EST
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I bet that much steel weighs 5k or more.
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Originally Posted By maggiethecat:
Originally Posted By NavyNukeET:
The interior dimensions he gave me are 55" tall, 44" wide, and 22" deep. Also forgot to put that he's asking $800.


if those are the interior, with doors like shown above, its going to be 7 feet tall, 6 feet wide, 4 feet deep, and weight 3000 lbs.

no thanks
I bet that much steel weighs 5k or more.



Is it possible most of the volume is fire-retardant material, not steel?
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 10:36:33 AM EST
I personally would pass on the safe.
It's age and weight being the two biggest reason not to mention that for $800 you can get a much lighter and new unit.
It will not be as secure but it won't weigh as much as an elephant either.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 10:46:41 AM EST
Get it.

You'll never get a modern safe of that beauty and quality at anywhere near that price. Size/Dimensions be damned. They just aren't making those anymore and you'll be proud when you own it.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 12:33:21 PM EST
If your dimensions are close I think you are too light on the estimated weight.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 12:43:18 PM EST
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Is it possible most of the volume is fire-retardant material, not steel?
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Originally Posted By wwace:
Originally Posted By maggiethecat:
Originally Posted By NavyNukeET:
The interior dimensions he gave me are 55" tall, 44" wide, and 22" deep. Also forgot to put that he's asking $800.


if those are the interior, with doors like shown above, its going to be 7 feet tall, 6 feet wide, 4 feet deep, and weight 3000 lbs.

no thanks
I bet that much steel weighs 5k or more.



Is it possible most of the volume is fire-retardant material, not steel?


No

A safe of that age is solid steel
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 12:45:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By alphabavo:
That's a pretty cool safe. I'd buy it just for the hell of it.
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Same
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 12:47:19 PM EST
If it works, you can transport it, and you have a place to store it, I say go for it.
Clean up/repaint the outside and make it look good.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 1:05:06 PM EST
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Assuming solid steel weighing 0.2833 lbs. per cu. in., with the given outside (78x48x30 in.) and inside (55x44x22 in.) dimensions, that's a volume of 112320-53240=59080 cu. in., and a weight of almost 17k lbs.

If you take 8 in. off the height for the wheels/base, that's still 13.5k lbs.

ETA: Show work:
(78*48*30-55*44*22)*0.2833=16737.364 lbs
(70*48*30-55*44*22)*0.2833=13473.748 lbs

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Link Posted: 1/11/2015 1:07:24 PM EST
Is it possible most of the volume is fire-retardant material, not steel?


No

A safe of that age is solid steel
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There are laminated steel safes, as well as cast iron fire safes. The safe in the photo is a fire safe. It will have a fairly then outer layer of cast iron (if it's as old as the first safe shown), or if it's a bit newer, mild steel. Those big thick doors will be filled with a cast insulation.

The thickness of the fire fill will determine the weight. Thin walled version of a safe that size can easily weigh 2,000 to 3,000 pounds. Thicker walled versions can weigh up to 6,000. If the safe was laminated steel, it would likely have a pressure system to force the doors closed. A laminated safe that size would easily be over 10,000 pounds.

Link Posted: 1/11/2015 1:07:32 PM EST
I bought out a watch repair shop about 20 years ago that had a very similar safe. The guy offered it to me for $400.00. A week later he reduced the price to $300.00. A couple of months later he called me and asked me if I wanted it for free. It probably weighed 4500 pounds or more and I had nowhere to put it. Safes like this are hard to get rid of, I think $800.00 is about twice what it's worth.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 1:08:49 PM EST
Do It. Old safes are cool. There is one just like that near me in a church...........basement. If I knew how to get it out of there I'd offer them a "donation" for that safe.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 1:12:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By a1abdj:
There are laminated steel safes, as well as cast iron fire safes. The safe in the photo is a fire safe. It will have a fairly then outer layer of cast iron (if it's as old as the first safe shown), or if it's a bit newer, mild steel. Those big thick doors will be filled with a cast insulation.

The thickness of the fire fill will determine the weight. Thin walled version of a safe that size can easily weigh 2,000 to 3,000 pounds. Thicker walled versions can weigh up to 6,000. If the safe was laminated steel, it would likely have a pressure system to force the doors closed. A laminated safe that size would easily be over 10,000 pounds.
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That's the only way the given weight makes sense.

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Link Posted: 1/11/2015 1:28:48 PM EST
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IN on page 1 Day 1 bitches
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 3:18:15 PM EST
I'll update tomorrow after we go to check it out. We have a plan to get it off of the trailer that will put our collective redneck ingenuity to the test. If all else fails, my friend across town has a forklift that he can bring over.

DAY 2!
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 3:32:01 PM EST
on a semi-related note, someone just popped a vial of "burglar repellent" in an old safe in the town I'm in.

http://www.inforum.com/news/3653026-chemical-spill-clears-downtown-fargo-building
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 6:05:33 PM EST
on a semi-related note, someone just popped a vial of "burglar repellent" in an old safe in the town I'm in.
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Yeah...but look at the money they saved by not having a professional deal with it.........

Link Posted: 1/11/2015 6:07:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Engineer5:
Do It. Old safes are cool. There is one just like that near me in a church...........basement. If I knew how to get it out of there I'd offer them a "donation" for that safe.
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Contact a local locksmith to see if he knows any safe movers. The local locksmith shop here is always buying old safes like OP's and he has guys lined up to buy them to use as gun safes. Either the guys in his shop move those safes or he knows of a firm that moves them. You'll probably find out something similar for your area.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 6:10:42 PM EST
Glad I don't know you, enjoy the move!


Buddy bought a house with an upright piano in the basement, after he showed me around I congratulated him and then pointed to the piano. "you're dead to me now".

Link Posted: 1/11/2015 6:22:43 PM EST
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Stupid phone.
Link Posted: 1/11/2015 6:23:43 PM EST
Hell, buy it run it across the scales at a junkyard and use the extra money to buy a nice one.
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 5:46:29 PM EST
Dragging it home right now. It's putting a pretty good hurting on my small 7k flatbed trailer. I think it might weigh closer to 4k.
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 7:42:27 PM EST
Pictures... Or it did not happen! :) ... Hopefully eventually through your rehab work.
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 7:46:51 PM EST
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Dragging it home right now. It's putting a pretty good hurting on my small 7k flatbed trailer. I think it might weigh closer to 4k.
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Nice!
Link Posted: 1/12/2015 8:23:33 PM EST
Interior shot. This will all be ripped out to make room for rifle storage.



Inner doors. They're something close to 3/16" steel. The outer doors are 5.5"

Link Posted: 1/12/2015 8:27:40 PM EST
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It's been raining here all day so crappy ipotato pics are all I could get tonight.

To whoever was calculating the weight based on it being solid steel, it's not. I pulled a tape on the exterior and interior and came up with 20k lbs (using the previous poster's formulas). I'll dig into it deeper once it's off the trailer and into the garage.

66"x55"x32" exterior and 54"x44"x19" usable interior.
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