[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Not voting for Bush? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/13/2004 6:42:27 PM EDT
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If you are not voting for Bush I have a question and its not about your reasons. Do you admit your non vote, vote for a third party, or vote for democrat helps put Kerry in office? |
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Quoted: If you are not voting for Bush I have a question and its not about your reasons. Do you admit your non vote, vote for a third party, or vote for democrat helps put Kerry in office? So when bush wins the election, thanks to your vote, and signs legislation that further infringes on your rights and signs the new AWB, will you admit you voted for those signatures? |
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Quoted: Quoted: If you are not voting for Bush I have a question and its not about your reasons. Do you admit your non vote, vote for a third party, or vote for democrat helps put Kerry in office? So when bush wins the election, thanks to your vote, and signs legislation that further infringes on your rights and signs the new AWB, will you admit you voted for those signatures? reality called, it would like you to join the rest of us |
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Quoted: Quoted: If you are not voting for Bush I have a question and its not about your reasons. Do you admit your non vote, vote for a third party, or vote for democrat helps put Kerry in office? So when bush wins the election, thanks to your vote, and signs legislation that further infringes on your rights and signs the new AWB, will you admit you voted for those signatures? You answer my question and I'll answer yours. Typical. Answer a question with a question when you want to avoid your answer. |
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Quoted: Quoted: If you are not voting for Bush I have a question and its not about your reasons. Do you admit your non vote, vote for a third party, or vote for democrat helps put Kerry in office? So when bush wins the election, thanks to your vote, and signs legislation that further infringes on your rights and signs the new AWB, will you admit you voted for those signatures? Where is your proof that he would sign a new AWB? Answer the question that was asked, both the original and this one. |
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Quoted: If you are not voting for Bush I have a question and its not about your reasons. Do you admit your non vote, vote for a third party, or vote for democrat helps put Kerry in office? By following that flawed logic, you have to agree that a vote for Nader is in effect a vote for Bush. |
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Quoted: Quoted: If you are not voting for Bush I have a question and its not about your reasons. Do you admit your non vote, vote for a third party, or vote for democrat helps put Kerry in office? By following that flawed logic, you have to agree that a vote for Nader is in effect a vote for Bush. |
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thedave, You obviously didn't listen well enough. With politicians it's all in how they word things. In reference to the original AWB, Bush said "...if it comes to my desk, I'll sign it..." The key word there is "IF". With the GOP controlling both houses, I don't think he's really counting on it ever getting to his desk. Rich |
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Quoted: Quoted: Where is your proof that he would sign a new AWB? bush said he would, where is your proof that he wouldn't? He said that he supported the CURRENT AWB. That does not mean he would extend it or anything else. He never stated he would sign an extension. So, again, where is your proof? Also, are you going to answer the original question? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you are not voting for Bush I have a question and its not about your reasons. Do you admit your non vote, vote for a third party, or vote for democrat helps put Kerry in office? By following that flawed logic, you have to agree that a vote for Nader is in effect a vote for Bush. If it is not flawed logic, then please, show EXACTLY how it is the truth. |
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Quoted: thedave, You obviously didn't listen well enough. With politicians it's all in how they word things. Bush said "...if it comes to my desk, I'll sign it..." The key word there is "IF". With the GOP controlling both houses, I don't think he's really counting on it ever getting to his desk. Rich |
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Quoted: Quoted: Where is your proof that he would sign a new AWB? bush said he would, where is your proof that he wouldn't? Look you guys. I asked a legitimate question. I want answers, not questions. If you cant answer the question, stay the fuck out of the thread. Dont post other questions. You have an answer or your silence will speak volumes. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Where is your proof that he would sign a new AWB? bush said he would, where is your proof that he wouldn't? Look you guys. I asked a legitimate question. I want answers, not questions. If you cant answer the question, stay the fuck out of the thread. Dont post other questions. You have an answer or your silence will speak volumes. |
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Quoted: If you are not voting for Bush I have a question and its not about your reasons. Do you admit your non vote, vote for a third party, or vote for democrat helps put Kerry in office? Nothing to admit, I will not be voting for bush, kerry, or nader. I will vote for one that best represents me on that Tuesday in November. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Do you admit your non vote, vote for a third party, or vote for democrat helps put Kerry in office? only voting for kerry helps put kerry in office not true at all maybe you're right i had planned on voting for kerry, but decided he's to anti-gun, so now I'm going to vote third party. am I helping get bush elected? |
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Quoted: Quoted: thedave, You obviously didn't listen well enough. With politicians it's all in how they word things. Bush said "...if it comes to my desk, I'll sign it..." The key word there is "IF". With the GOP controlling both houses, I don't think he's really counting on it ever getting to his desk. Rich he (through ari fleischer) said he supports reauthorization of the original ban |
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Quoted: Quoted: If you are not voting for Bush I have a question and its not about your reasons. Do you admit your non vote, vote for a third party, or vote for democrat helps put Kerry in office? By following that flawed logic, you have to agree that a vote for Nader is in effect a vote for Bush. OK> I stupidly assumed a third party vote didnt include Nader. I was assuming libertarian. Still, no one has the nuts answer my question yes or no. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you are not voting for Bush I have a question and its not about your reasons. Do you admit your non vote, vote for a third party, or vote for democrat helps put Kerry in office? By following that flawed logic, you have to agree that a vote for Nader is in effect a vote for Bush. OK> I stupidly assumed a third party vote didnt include Nader. I was assuming libertarian. Still, no one has the nuts answer my question yes or no. You are assuming a lot more then you think... My answer is: NO |
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I don't know if this is an answer to your question or not, but I don't think alot of people really care. My Mom for example, doesn't like Bush at all. On the other hand, she doesnt seem to much like Kerry - I think I can take credit for that. So I don't think she really cares who gets elected cause she doesn't want either. Her Nader vote will be a simply be a "you both suck" protest vote. Her quote is "Kerry and Bush make me want to Ralph." Personally, I will be voting for Bush, even though I don't think he has been the perfect President. A nice (but not great)dream is alot better than a horrible 4 (8?)year long nightmare. |
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Bush, Kerry = politicians Bush=lying draft dodger Kerry= veteran Bush= babbling, inarticulate idiot Kerry= articulate, Bush= will sign the awb Kerry= "wants to keep aw's out of the hands of criminals. (?) Bush= Cheyney= no bid contracts with Haliburton Kerry= Sorry people, I just can't vote for Bush...He's just a puppet. I want a president that can answer a question without reading the answer from a que card. |
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Quoted: Quoted: If you are not voting for Bush I have a question and its not about your reasons. Do you admit your non vote, vote for a third party, or vote for democrat helps put Kerry in office? Nothing to admit, I will not be voting for bush, kerry, or nader. I will vote for one that best represents me on that Tuesday in November. Dave why don't you join with prophit and gunkid and vote for the Constitution party candidate? Oh that's right they don't have one yet hahahahahahahahaha |
| I am in a pickle! I hate Bush! but I loves me gunz! What can I do? Bush has basically screwed up on every issue but If I vote demos in I can kiss my gunz byby! What can I do? The only solution I have is Vote for strong repubs in house and senate and a dem as president. It will keep them off balance and dead locked so nothing gets done! Besides, I don't see Bush as pro-gun really, I mean, OK he did'nt take away any more of my gun rights? Congradufuckinglations! How about giving some of my rights back! The AWB ban expiring was not his doing it was part of the law. Maybe I'm not up on gun rights but what has he really done ? |
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Quoted: If you are not voting for Bush I have a question and its not about your reasons. Do you admit your non vote, vote for a third party, or vote for democrat helps put Kerry in office? NO!!! [ROFL] YOUR vote for Bush, puts his brother Kerry in office!!! [snoopy] |
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Quoted: Sorry people, I just can't vote for Bush...He's just a puppet. I want a president that can answer a question without reading the answer from a cue (edit)card. Man, then you don't know anything about how a politician preps for campaign speeches or townhall Q&A's. The reason that Kerry seems more polished than Bush is because Kerry sticks to his rehearsed cards with a kung-fu death grip and Bush has a tendency to wing it. Kerry is an articulate automaton and if presented with a question that isn't expected, stammers and stutters more than Elmer Fudd on a caffiene bender. Bush's 'speaking problems' are because he doesn't rely on a stock set of answers and actually considers the question before answering. Try it sometime and see how many times you mis-speak, stutter and "um" and "ah". Then try doing it in front of millions of people (some of which lie in wait for every misstep as "proof" that you are somehow less intelligent than the other guy). But, you're a lost cause. You've made up your mind to buy into the Democratic spin machine. Much like others on this board, if your candidate isn't absolutely perfect in your opinion, you're willing to cut of your nose to spite your face. Don't worry, better men than you will step up to protect your rights. Because if we don't, we have a Homeland Security Secretary Charles Shumer and an Attorney General Hillary Clinton that will gladly protect your rights in our stead. |
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If the same topic is going to come up over and over, I'll post my same answer over and over: To me it's simple. A vote [u]against[/u] GWBush is a vote [u]FOR[/u]: * A formal apology to France, Germany, the UN and the Muslim community for the war in Iraq. * More terrorism strikes as the enemy senses weakness by the national rejection of the Bush Doctrine. * Tax increases (and all the ensuing fun that THAT causes in the economy). * The White House shifting from conducting a War On Terrorism to conducting a War On Capitalism. * Two more Ruth Bader Ginsburgs on the Supreme Court and hundreds of little Ginsburgs at the lower court levels. * A REAL amnesty plan for illegal aliens far worse than GWBush's (which is going nowhere). * Executive orders renewing and expanding the AWB and closing the gunshow "loophole". * [i]"Our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations."[/i] * Softening our stance against Yasser Afatrat. * Nelson Mandela, Kofi Anan and Jacque Chirac staining the White House by their repeated visits. * The return to power of the same behind-the-scenes crew that brought us Madeline Albright, Sandy Berger and William Cohen. * Even more nuclear proliferation from Pakistan, Iran and North Korea than occurred the last time the Albright, Berger & Cohen crew were in charge. And if that's not enough to have you run screaming into the darkness, just imagine... * The Beast sitting as U.S. Attorney General - with the Patriot Act at her full disposal and the interpretation of every BATFE regulation being under her diabolical gaze. |
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Now here's some of the reasons I AM voting for GWBush: [b]International Criminal Court:[/b] Bush [u]unsigned[/u] the US from the ICC Treaty that was originally signed by Clinton/Gore that would have subjected ALL Americans to the third-world-dominated UN kangaroo court system. [b]Kyoto Treaty:[/b] Bush dumped US support for the Kyoto Treaty that the tree-hugging, dirt-munching ecofreak socialists were trying to enslave our economy with. [b]Second Amendment:[/b] Bush [b]reversed[/b] a Clinton/Gore policy towards the 2nd Amendment by explicitly stating the RKBA is an [b]"individual"[/b] right, and just like all others including are (as the FFs intended) not absolute. [b]"Assault-Weapon" Ban:[/b] Bush made his intentions pretty clear (and darn near said it publically) that the AWB (aka the "no-win/suicide-bomb bill") had better NOT reach his desk and gave NO [u]tangible[/u] political support to it at all. [b]Anti-ballistic Missile Treaty: [/b] Bush abandoned the ABM Treaty (which angered Liberals) as a Cold-War relic and obstacle to current strategic national defense. [b]United Nations:[/b] Bush told the UN to [i]"show some backbone"[/i] and stood up and told Kofi Annan and the entire UN General Assembly face-to-face that we don't need UN support or UN permission to bomb Iraq into submission and we'll go it alone if we have to. [b]America-First Policy:[/b] Bush followed that up by formalizing an [b]America-First[/b] national security policy stating that [i][b]"...when it comes to our security, if we need to act, we will act. And we really don't need United Nations approval to do so.... when it comes to our security, we really don't need anybody's permission."[/b][/i]. NO liberal would EVER have said that. Remember Kerry's words:[b][i]"I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations."[/i][/b] and regarding the war on terror, "[b][i]"I think there has been an exaggeration... It's primarily an intelligence and law enforcement operation.''[/b][/i] [b]Tax Cuts:[/b] Bush cut taxes when all Liberals were wanting to raise taxes and did what it took to set this nation BACK on track economically after the Clinton-Recession. [b]Terrorism I:[/b] Bush knocked the shit-eating grins right off the face of every raghead-regime in the Mideast that was dancing in the streets on 9-11 and is doing FAR more to destroy terrorism and those who fund, harbor and sponsor terrorists (note the word "destroy" rather than "contain" or "pull back from"). There was NO Arab or Muslim nation that would give willingly give safe harbor to Saddam or OBL. They had to hide in holes. [b]Terrorism II:[/b] Libya has agreed to end its pursuit of weapons of mass destruction and allow international inspectors to enter the country and search for such weapons. [i][b]"I will do whatever the Americans want, because I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid."[/b][/i] ~ Muammar al-Qaddafi to Italian prime minister Berlusconi. Iran has weapons inspectors now too. [b]Economy:[/b] [b][i]"2004 Will Be the U.S.'S Best Year Economically in Last 20 Years"[/i][/b] ~ The Conference Board's revised forecast, December 2003. Manufacturing is at 20-year record highs. GDP for the second-half of 2003 was an incredible 6 percent while inflation was held under 1 percent. Unemployment is at a modest 5.6% and continues to steadily decline as it has for over six months. Productivity, construction and housing continue to soar. Excluding government spending, real private-sector GDP has expanded at a 5.3 percent annual rate since the Bush tax cuts were passed. In the prior six quarters private-sector GDP averaged only 2.5 percent. Foreign exports have been increasing and have actually doubled since six months ago. The stock markets (i.e. your pensions, IRAs, 401(k)s and college saving plans) have rebounded solidly and are approaching three-year highs. Things are good. [b]Federal Courts:[/b] Bush nominated (and had confirmed) some of the most [u]strict[/u] constitutionalist judges to the Federal courts we've had in the over a generation. [b]Military Pay:[/b] Bush raised the pay+extras (6.9% on average) for military personel higher than ever and pushed for even more increases next year. [b]The GWBush Team:[/b] Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Ashcroft, Powell, Shelton & Franks(retired). You know of a better starting line up anywhere in town? [b]So, between Hanoi-John and GWBush, who do you want as President when THIS happens?[/b] [img]http://members.cox.net/macallan_the/9_11_01/AttackSmoke11thReuters.jpg[/img] |
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Quoted: Bush, Kerry = politicians Bush=lying draft dodger Kerry= veteran Bush= babbling, inarticulate idiot Kerry= articulate, Bush= will sign the awb Kerry= "wants to keep aw's out of the hands of criminals. (?) Bush= Cheyney= no bid contracts with Haliburton Kerry= Sorry people, I just can't vote for Bush...He's just a puppet. I want a president that can answer a question without reading the answer from a que card. Yeah, sure, and next thing you will be trying to convince me that JFK didn't just rush back to Washington (along with Edwards) to vote FOR the amendment renewing the AWB. |
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Cut that crap and just remember this very simple factoid: [b]If you vote for a Democrat, you are voting to take away your rights to own a firearm.[/b] There are a host of other reasons besides guns NOT to vote for Kerry and an infinite number of reasons to vote FOR Dubya. For me it is looking at my grandbabies every day. The thought of what Kerry would do to our National Security scares the hell out of me. Think of our troops getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Think of the UN taking over (Mog anyone?). Think of Kerry administration trying to TALK the murdering terrorists into not killing us! That said...let's just cut back to the core issue: GUNS! I've been preaching this forever. I'm old enough and have been though enough election cycles to do the math correctly: By and large, Democrats hate guns. The Democratic Party, if given the keys to power at ANY level, will do what it can to take our guns away. They do NOT believe in the Second Amendment. They WILL renew the AWB. The Kerry Justice Dept. WILL make us all criminals. Kerry is a liberal. Those around him who will become the people that run the country are liberals. THEY HATE GUNS! Think Austrailia...THINK Great Britain. American liberals think a lot more like them than they do us. For those among us who still blather on about Bush and the AWB...has it happened yet? Has it been renewed? How did the vote go with the Republicans running the Senate? How did it go in the House? Is it going to sunset in September? Don't try to figure out the convuluted side-paths...just look at the binary! WE WON! We won BECAUSE the Democrats no longer control have the power in Washington DC. Put them back in power...and suffer the consequences. If you do...don't come back here bitching about being "betrayed". Remember that when you step into the booth in November. |
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Quoted: Now here's some of the reasons I AM voting for GWBush: [b]International Criminal Court:[/b] Bush [u]unsigned[/u] the US from the ICC Treaty that was originally signed by Clinton/Gore that would have subjected ALL Americans to the third-world-dominated UN kangaroo court system. [b]Kyoto Treaty:[/b] Bush dumped US support for the Kyoto Treaty that the tree-hugging, dirt-munching ecofreak socialists were trying to enslave our economy with. [b]Second Amendment:[/b] Bush [b]reversed[/b] a Clinton/Gore policy towards the 2nd Amendment by explicitly stating the RKBA is an [b]"individual"[/b] right, and just like all others including are (as the FFs intended) not absolute. [b]"Assault-Weapon" Ban:[/b] Bush made his intentions pretty clear (and darn near said it publically) that the AWB (aka the "no-win/suicide-bomb bill") had better NOT reach his desk and gave NO [u]tangible[/u] political support to it at all. [b]Anti-ballistic Missile Treaty: [/b] Bush abandoned the ABM Treaty (which angered Liberals) as a Cold-War relic and obstacle to current strategic national defense. [b]United Nations:[/b] Bush told the UN to [i]"show some backbone"[/i] and stood up and told Kofi Annan and the entire UN General Assembly face-to-face that we don't need UN support or UN permission to bomb Iraq into submission and we'll go it alone if we have to. [b]America-First Policy:[/b] Bush followed that up by formalizing an [b]America-First[/b] national security policy stating that [i][b]"...when it comes to our security, if we need to act, we will act. And we really don't need United Nations approval to do so.... when it comes to our security, we really don't need anybody's permission."[/b][/i]. NO liberal would EVER have said that. Remember Kerry's words:[b][i]"I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations."[/i][/b] and regarding the war on terror, "[b][i]"I think there has been an exaggeration... It's primarily an intelligence and law enforcement operation.''[/b][/i] [b]Tax Cuts:[/b] Bush cut taxes when all Liberals were wanting to raise taxes and did what it took to set this nation BACK on track economically after the Clinton-Recession. [b]Terrorism I:[/b] Bush knocked the shit-eating grins right off the face of every raghead-regime in the Mideast that was dancing in the streets on 9-11 and is doing FAR more to destroy terrorism and those who fund, harbor and sponsor terrorists (note the word "destroy" rather than "contain" or "pull back from"). There was NO Arab or Muslim nation that would give willingly give safe harbor to Saddam or OBL. They had to hide in holes. [b]Terrorism II:[/b] Libya has agreed to end its pursuit of weapons of mass destruction and allow international inspectors to enter the country and search for such weapons. [i][b]"I will do whatever the Americans want, because I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid."[/b][/i] ~ Muammar al-Qaddafi to Italian prime minister Berlusconi. Iran has weapons inspectors now too. [b]Economy:[/b] [b][i]"2004 Will Be the U.S.'S Best Year Economically in Last 20 Years"[/i][/b] ~ The Conference Board's revised forecast, December 2003. Manufacturing is at 20-year record highs. GDP for the second-half of 2003 was an incredible 6 percent while inflation was held under 1 percent. Unemployment is at a modest 5.6% and continues to steadily decline as it has for over six months. Productivity, construction and housing continue to soar. Excluding government spending, real private-sector GDP has expanded at a 5.3 percent annual rate since the Bush tax cuts were passed. In the prior six quarters private-sector GDP averaged only 2.5 percent. Foreign exports have been increasing and have actually doubled since six months ago. The stock markets (i.e. your pensions, IRAs, 401(k)s and college saving plans) have rebounded solidly and are approaching three-year highs. Things are good. [b]Federal Courts:[/b] Bush nominated (and had confirmed) some of the most [u]strict[/u] constitutionalist judges to the Federal courts we've had in the over a generation. [b]Military Pay:[/b] Bush raised the pay+extras (6.9% on average) for military personel higher than ever and pushed for even more increases next year. [b]The GWBush Team:[/b] Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Ashcroft, Powell, Shelton & Franks(retired). You know of a better starting line up anywhere in town? [b]So, between Hanoi-John and GWBush, who do you want as President when THIS happens?[/b] [url]http://members.cox.net/macallan_the/9_11_01/AttackSmoke11thReuters.jpg[/url] Mac...your last two postings speak eloquently. [b]Brilliantly done Sir.[/b][hail] Problem is most of us agree with you but out in the world, there are actually some people (And incredibly, here too! [shock] that might agree with much of what you say...and STILL pull that lever for Kerry. [whacko] I ride the train daily to work with a very smart young female Jewish lawyer...a liberal...a USAF reserve LtCol, and a Zionist! We talk every day about how in Hell she can vote for the Democrats when she KNOWS that they are going to screw Israel. While she admits that I'm right, she has successfully compartmented her competing issues and will in the end vote for the Democrat...as distasteful as it may be. For her, other liberal issues are slightly more important. I have tried until I'm blue in the face to convince her...and she agrees with me on so many issues...but she can't bring herself to vote for Bush! She admits that her liberal bias is unfounded and unexplainable...BUT there is it. |
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Quoted: Now here's some of the reasons I AM voting for GWBush: And here's why I am NOT voting for Dumbya: Supports the Assault Weapons ban and its reauthorization (he is on the record supporting it, which his spokesmen have affirmed several times). Signed and supports the Patriot Act (and is working to introduce an even bigger Patriot Act) Signed the Campaign Finance Reform act (despite claiming he would veto it) NO energy policy whatsoever. We are occupying the country with the second largest proven oil reserves in the world, and we're paying almost $2 a gallon for gas in the *winter*? How much are we going to pay in the summer? $3? Claims to support "homeland security", yet does NOTHING about the illegals walking across the border every day. In fact he has the [b]nerve[/b] to suggest that we give the illegal criminals [b]legal[/b] residence? Just so he can *try* to win a voter block that hardly votes, and usually votes Democrat? The 2002 election that firmly swept Republicans to power was possible because WHITE MEN went out to vote in droves. Not illegal Mexicans, not Latinos, not blacks, not liberals. Get a clue, Bush. While I don't blame Bush for the economic downturn itself, he has failed to do anything to halt the outsourcing of jobs to third world countries. We're still giving these companies millions of dollars in tax breaks even when they are laying off Americans and giving those jobs to Indians, Chinese, etc. There is no such thing as a jobless recovery! Spending totally out of control. This man campaigned on a "small government" platform but balooned government spending and deficits higher than any Democrat Socialist ever had. Sorry but you can't blame it all on a "war". It's irresponsible spending. That's what happens when you never break out the veto pen. This president gives new meaning to the word Republican In Name Only. I won't vote for Bush but I sure as hell won't vote for Kerry either, either a worthy third-party candidate or I won't vote (for President) at all. |
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Quoted: Cut that crap and just remember this very simple factoid: [b]If you vote for a Democrat, you are voting to take away your rights to own a firearm. Bullshit. If anti-gun legislation never reaches an anti-gun President's desk, he can't sign gun control, can he now? Or isn't that what you Bush regime apologists have been been telling us in defense of Bush and his support for the AWB? |
| Reading this thread has made me realize the there really was something to the liberal argument. It explains why we have a republic instead of a pure democracy, and why we "needed" such a confusing morass of checks and balances. Some people really are simply too stupid to be trusted to govern themselves! Farr too many such individuals have posted above, for my liking. No wonder most politicians want to disarm us, not only can idiots in America vote, they have guns!!! |
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Still, no one has the nuts answer my question yes or no. Yes. That doesn't mean I take responsibility for the screwing over that Kerry will give us if he is elected. And I'm not changing my vote. See, that's what we call "democracy". If you don't like it, feel free to move to one of those countries where everybody is forced to vote for the same guy. jafager |
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Quoted: Much like others on this board, if your candidate isn't absolutely perfect in your opinion, you're willing to cut of your nose to spite your face. Oh please. We're not looking for "absolutely perfect". We're looking for somebody whose best argument isn't "well, yes, I'm going to bend you over the kitchen table, but hey, unlike my opponent, at least I'll use Vaseline". Maybe you like farm subsidies and steel subsidies and massive educational bureaucracy and endless freebies for the AARP. Maybe you don't like them, but you think they're no big deal. Maybe the Patriot Act doesn't bother you. Well, all of that bothers me. A *lot*. And you can't even play the RKBA card, because instead of taking a stand, Bush is playing both sides of the street and hoping the whole issue will go away. You want me to vote Republican on RKBA? Show me somebody with a spine. jafager |