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Posted: 8/7/2001 10:08:15 AM EST
With the media used as an accomplice, a "biological attack" in this case, FEAR can and will be used as a force multiplier to get the sheeple and others to willingly submit. [url]www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,31376,00.html[/url] Officials: Mass Quarantines Likely if America Faced Bioterrorism Attack CHICAGO — In an America that guards its civil liberties, police can't just shut down cities, make mass arrests and quarantine thousands of people. Or can they? Current and former federal officials said Friday that if there is a terrorist attack with biological weapons, private rights would quickly be swamped by the need to protect the public. State borders could close, vaccines could be rationed or commandeered, the Army could even take over cities within weeks of a deadly attack, an American Bar Association panel predicted. "To an extent, people are going to do what needs to be done and worry about the legal niceties later," said Suzanne Spaulding, a former top lawyer for the CIA and the Senate Intelligence Committee. The ABA panel, part of the annual meeting of the 400,000-lawyer organization, played out an imaginary terrorist campaign to infect Americans with the plague — from the first tips by an FBI informant in New Mexico to closure of the Minnesota borders and riots in Cincinnati. Along the way came word that a rogue Russian scientist and the Iraqi military were involved. Eventually, the FBI, CIA, National Centers for Disease Control, the White House, Pentagon and governors of several states were also involved — each with broader power than many people probably know they have, participants said. Under the hypothetical scenario, law enforcement could do little when a would-be terrorist shows up at a Santa Fe emergency room with a case of the plague. The investigation intensified, and the FBI got much broader authority, when several people died of the plague after attending a concert in Minneapolis. Political pressure intensified, with a demand from 20 senators of the opposite political party from the president that the White House declare a national state of emergency. Then came word that the terrorists planned another attack during a street festival in Cincinnati. Under this scenario, the FBI could go to a special court for permission to investigate foreigners, but could not begin stopping everyone in downtown Cincinnati who resembles a tipster's description of a suspected terrorist, said Eugene Bowman, deputy general counsel for the FBI. Nor could the FBI order the downtown area cordoned off and every building searched, Bowman said. Agents would need warrants based on better specifics than those offered in the hypothetical terrorist attack.
Link Posted: 8/7/2001 10:09:46 AM EST
(continued) But local police could do what the FBI cannot, so long as it was based on the need to protect public health, said Terry O'Brien, legal consultant to a national notification network tracking infections diseases. "The idea is to prevent the epidemic," not to catch and punish a wrongdoer, O'Brien said. The president could declare martial law and federalize state National Guards, said Michael Wermuth, head of a group advising the government on how well it is preparing for nuclear, chemical or biological terrorism. The attorney general and the defense secretary could also invoke a federal law that lets them call in soldiers to keep order if police or other law enforcement cannot, Wermuth said. "The military can be engaged directly in arrests, search and seizure and intelligence collection for law enforcement purposes," Wermuth said. "There's very raw authority to use the military to do any number of things that (look) like law enforcement, or to assist public health authorities by (enforcing) quarantines." The government would also have the legal power to force people to be immunized, although as a practical matter it is probably impossible, O'Brien said. "What are you going to do, go into somebody's home and tie them up?" On the other hand, the government could take control of vaccine supplies, even if it meant overriding state governors bent on hoarding their in-state stockpiles, the panelists said. The hypothetical exercise ended short of the president declaring nationwide martial law, and without the arrest or trial of the terrorists.
Link Posted: 8/7/2001 10:19:55 AM EST
I heard if A biological attack occured then the military personnel would be the first to given the vaccines. I guess that leaves most of the public high and dry.
Link Posted: 8/7/2001 10:23:16 AM EST
Military personel would be second, politicians would be first.
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[Last Edit: 8/7/2001 10:25:24 AM EST by reconxl]
[u]Martial Law[/u]-(as defined by Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 2nd Edition)- The law administered by the military power of a government when it has superseded the civil authority, as in time of war or serious civil disturbance. [edited to correct spelling]
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Link Posted: 8/7/2001 10:42:16 AM EST
The only time in our history when martial law was declared was by Grant in the 1870s in the South. It was universally declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
Link Posted: 8/7/2001 1:02:22 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/7/2001 1:05:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By TheWind: Military personel would be second, politicians would be first.
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Correct, also the politicians would be safely tucked away where ever the replacement site is currently since the one at The Greenbriar was uncovered. I'm sure they must have another one by now.
Link Posted: 8/7/2001 1:11:16 PM EST
Martial Law in America- Can it Happen? [url]www.goa-texas.org/martial-law.htm[/url] MARTIAL LAW RULES DOCKS; TROOPS WITH MACHINE GUNS GUARD CARGO MOVEMENTS [url]www.sfmuseum.org/hist4/maritime19.html[/url] I also recall there was a martial law exercise in the San Francisco area in the 1970's complete with the military going to the capitol and "arresting" the mayor. I have the newspaper story around here somewhere.
Link Posted: 8/7/2001 1:14:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By anothergene: How would FEMA fare in the power pecking order? Would they not encompass the FBI, NG, etc.?
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FEMA becomes the lead fed agency as it was created with the sole purpose to ensure the continuance of goverment under national crisis.
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Link Posted: 8/7/2001 10:21:39 PM EST
A "tin hat" does not help, but a hole in the sand will.
Link Posted: 8/7/2001 10:56:25 PM EST
One of my very good customers runs a company that contracts out to FEMA. I used to buy all that tinfoil hat stuff till I met him. Really nice guy. Fools tried to mug him in the south somewhere while he was working on flood relief. Big mistake. Very proficient martial artist, pro gun , too. I say again, make friends, that is where the power is.
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