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Posted: 5/11/2003 4:42:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/11/2003 4:43:22 AM EST by satcong]
Earlier this week I was fighting with some Liberal from Canada and I said something to the effect of "FORTES FORTUNA JUVAT" 5.56 X 45 = .223 He replies with another Latin phrase and includes this: 7.62x39 =.311 My question is stupid, well because I just dont know a hell of a lot about ballistics, (not much at all really). 7.62 is a Nato round right? Now I understand 5.56x45=.223 but what the hell is he trying to say with his 7.62x39=.311???? Does that make sense? Help
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 4:43:59 AM EST
He is saying he prefers the comunist round 7.62X39 in the AK round.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 4:45:50 AM EST
Bastard! I knew it
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 4:47:38 AM EST
He's trying to say the AK round is larger than the AR round; luck might be with the brave, but to have a larger caliber is nothing to be scoffed at.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 4:50:18 AM EST
THIS IS WHAT HE SAID Deterrence and neutrality are not quite the same things as aggressive war though, wouldn't you agree? In the first case if war breaks out this is considered to be a failure of deterrence, not a success. In the second case, one is committed to fighting only in self defence. How do either of these cases suddenly make war a good thing? Both policies are actually predicated on the idea that war is a very bad thing that should be avoided- and these are two powerful means of attempting to doing so. Does Switzerland have to fight a war every few years or so to prove it means business? Then why on earth does America? It is frightening to see how much progress the warmongers have made in my own short life in apparently convincing the majority of Americans and Canadians that war is really not such a big deal at all- and sometimes even a positive and entertaining thing. With the vast sociological and psychological expertise in the 'black arts' that has been assiduously built up during the cold war, combined with a tightly held and disciplined media, it seems they now have the ability to play people like so many piano keys. It is really amazing to have watched this switch from 'evil Osama' to 'liberating women' to 'evil Saddam' and 'WMD' to once again 'liberation', with barely a hiccup along the way in such a startlingly short period of time Indeed, it reminds me of the episode in 1984 where the speaker changes the name of the enemy in midspeech and no one notices the difference. be too much to swallow. I mean if you can swallow that Afghanistan is now actually ‘liberated’, for example, or that the global ‘anti-Americanism’ is motivated by jealousy and hatred of freedom, what lie is too big to swallow? Most North Americans (and I most definitely am including Canadians- including myself! ) are conditioned by the medium of television and thus to an anoetic, episodic way of knowing. It is thus simple to manipulate images and sounds to distort reality into its polar opposite. So for example, war, which mostly involves ripping human beings into disgusting bits and pieces (picture a slaughter house where they use chainsaws), is presented as a clean experience where there are no bodies to be seen at all. And with war cleaned up, it becomes an exciting and even mostly harmless activity. There has been a concerted effort to make Americans forget what they had learned rather painfully in the two Big Wars and Korea and especially in Vietnam - that war is a serious, nasty, messy business that therefore must be entered into only as a last resort. War has instead become an action movie. This new improved image of war has been carefully built up with the scripted and tightly image controlled trial balloon of Grenada down to the latest cinematic triumph, Iraq II . And now we anxiously await the sequel, is it going to be set in Asia, in the Middle East again? Maybe a surprise like Cuba? You didn’t like Iraq II? Too many plot twists? Well just you wait for the next one! And so those that profit from war regardless of how it turns out, those that wait to pick over the carcass, those that seek greater social control at home, and those that merely use war as a distraction while they pick your pocket, will continue to prosper. Unlike the old days, they do not even need to really convince or motivate people very much. Acquiescence is all they are aiming for and in that they have succeeded.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 4:51:33 AM EST
continued You still haven't told me just what anti-Americanism is. I would really like to know since I'm kind of confused about it. You say it's virulent. Perhaps I caught it from a toilet seat? Please pardon my flippance about it, but I myself am quite sick of being accused of something that until it is defined is quite meaningless and which seems simply a term designed only to stop other Americans from thinking. My apology to anti-war Americans was quite sincere by the way. However, I do admit that I don't mind pissing off pro-war Americans. But, although you don't deign to answer my questions, in the spirit of magnamity and international co-operation I will begin to answer yours. "1. Did the US supply the poison weapons that Iraq is guilty of having used? No, they did not." Well, if you say so. However, these little facts may cause a bit of a problem: According to Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward, in a December 15, 1986 article, the CIA began to secretly supply Iraq with intelligence in 1984 that was used to “calibrate” mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. Beginning in early 1985, the CIA provided Iraq with “data from sensitive US satellite reconnaissance photography … to assist Iraqi bombing raids”. According to William Blum, writing in the August 1998 issue of the Progressive, Sam Gejdenson, chairperson of a Congressional subcommittee investigating US exports to Iraq, disclosed that from 1985 until 1990 “the US government approved 771 licenses [only 39 were rejected] for the export to Iraq of $1.5 billion worth of biological agents and high-tech equipment with military application … “A 1994 US Senate report revealed that US companies were licenced by the commerce department to export a “witch's brew” of biological and chemical materials, including bacillus anthracis (which causes anthrax) and clostridium botulinum (the source of botulism). The American Type Culture Collection made 70 shipments of the anthrax bug and other pathogenic agents. The report also noted that US exports to Iraq included the precursors to chemical warfare agents, plans for chemical and biological warfare facilities and chemical warhead filling equipment. US firms supplied advanced and specialised computers, lasers, testing and analysing equipment. Among the better-known companies were Hewlett Packard, Unisys, Data General and Honeywell.” ....I will respond to the other charges in a bit, including those quotes you have knowingly taken out of context. However, I'm still waiting for you to tell me just what anti-Americanism is since by my own understanding I am far more pro-American, if by American you mean American people rather than American Empire, than the neo-con warmongers currently running the place.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 4:51:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/11/2003 4:52:38 AM EST by natez]
The 7.62 X 39mm weapons have a bore diameter of .311, as opposed to the 7.62 X 51mm (7.62 NATO, AKA .308 Winchester), which have a diameter of .308. He may be a liberal, but he does seem to have a little accurate knowledge about weapons. Can't help with the Latin.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 5:00:59 AM EST
I am not the only one who has perceived the asshole to be virulently antiamerican, and despite his protests to the contrary, it's not hard to find instances where he crosses far far over the line between rational criticism of the US govt into the clear realm of denigrating and insulting the country as a whole.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 5:19:58 AM EST
How about a link to the thread?. His last sentence is correct in a way. Read "Strategy for a New American Century". (Your opponent has read it) [url]http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf[/url] Also need to know what you said that he was replying to.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:09:15 AM EST
Liberty, Check PM
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