[ARCHIVED THREAD] - NRA Truth please.. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/4/2008 8:57:19 PM EDT
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Just got sidetracked in another topic.. A year ago my moms boyfriend started paying for a lifetime NRA membership for me as a gift. They have since split and now my money is going towards it. So my question is what has the NRA done that I should know about? I would hate if my money was trully being used against me.. |
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If supporting the NRA is causing you anxiety; switch over to the Brady Campaign. |
haha... even less then that.. If the popcorn is required then I probably will not like the outcome... This is a serious question.. I very much enjoyed the gift but there has been many topics that end up in a argument about the NRA being anti-2nd.. Now I do NOT want to start any arguments here and in fact will not be involved in one if it arises. I am genuinely curious.. |
No anxiety until the discussions started here.. If they did nothing nothing wrong then I would just like to know... Just do not understand why so many (such as in the newest ron paul topic involving the NRA) turn into NRA bashing... ETA: I am wanting nothing more than to be informed... I apologize if I started out sounding Anti.. |
Plain and simple; we wouldn't have guns legally anymore if not for the NRA. Keep up your payments towards you life membership. That's how my wife and I did it, and it's nice not having to worry about it anymore. |
Here's a serious answer: In terms of REAL influence in Washington D.C., the NRA is the only game in town. Because they have to deal in political reality, they sometimes have to make tough choices and compromises. This makes it easy for armchair quarterback and other people (who have accomplished nothing) to criticise them from the sidelines, but the fact remains that the NRA are the only effective organization out there who are able to seriously do something for your 2nd amendment rights. Your lifetime membership has made it easier for them to do that! 
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DK and GoGOP those were the answers I was hoping for.. The two of you have been around long enough that I trust your decisions. I take that if anything serious would have come up by now you would not be in support of them today. Thanks much it will make the payments much sweeter. 
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NRA laid the foundation for restoration of our CCW rights. They punched holes in the AWB when it went into affect so that ARs could be still sold and manufactured during the ban. Then they worked with congress to make sure it sun-set. They paid many people to go away not pass new gun laws. They help local organizations come up with the money and publicity to fight gun control. They help establish clubs nation wide and provide training and industry cohesion. They have the most extensive collection of national firearms treasures and make sure that nothing happens to them. They lobby congress every day to make sure gun rights are supported. They foil and weaken gun laws proposed so that, even if they are passed, they are watered down. They help local clubs and orgs get organized and have access to resources. They give cops life insurance. They protect our hunting rights (Maryland Bear hunt is most recent example) |
Unfortunately, they support idiots like President Bush. 
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Unfortunately for your rebuttal I support President Bush
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More great news from another long time member. Thanks Much. 
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Yeah I know, look at all the gun control Bush has promoted. |
Huh, I'm not sure I'd want to be part of any organization that would take the Dutch! 
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That analogy actually works quite well. |
There is a hell of alot more going on in this world than guns. It is at best a small issue - 10% in my book. No one will ever take your guns away in America. They might limit your mags, or ban things here and there but they will never take away all your guns. People wouldn't stand for it and ALL the politicans know this. You can't always get what you want, that's life. As a survivalist, or a personal rights person, or whatever, you would be better concerned with the other 90% of issues that a President has to deal. Those issues affect your life far more than whether or not you can buy a NEW 30 round magazine. The politics supported by people like Bush, and in turn the NRA, are bullshit. |
There are a LOT of things going on in America, especially right now, that "People wouldn't stand for." Hell, we have two hooligans I wouldn't trust to take out my garbage running on the democratic ticket for president. The NRA, although with flaws, is about the only strong arm America has to keep the second amendment. Gundraw |
Many said the same thing in Australia, Canada and England. Without the NRA it would have already happened here. Look back through everything the Democrats have tried to push through, and the statements some of them have made that they'd make us turn them all in, then picture a Congress and White House controlled by them, along with their legislate-from-the-court judges they'd put in the Supreme Court and it wouldn't take long for them accomplish their goals. |
Glad to help, and don't be bashful about it either.  Wear it with pride like I do; 
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So rather than help them when they need it you've decided to sit back and wait for others to make it more successful than it already before you'll jump in?   In other words, you're saying that since they aren't doing enough, in your opinion, you've decided to do nothing at all. Effective strategy. 
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I've decided that since they won't do what I want, I won't support them. And stopped paying for a service I wasn't receiving. That's the way a business works. Make people happy and they join. Don't and they quit. If they want my money, they will change their views. If they don't, they will stay the same. |
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Purity Trolls People who complain and give up when they don't get 100% of what they want. "The all or nothing crowd" who instead of doing something useful just sit at home wearing a Molon Labe shirt and typing on the interweb about how they don't compromise. The NRA is a friend of the court on the Heller case. They are the most effective RKBA group out there. When anit-gun politicians are bitching on TV they only mention the NRA and never any other group. You aren't really pro-gun unless you have an NRA membership. |
REVISIONIST HISTORY The NRA is a Friend NOW. Not when the case was brought up. Actively Fought to kill the case and then to co-opt. The NRA was dragged kicking and screaming to it's friend of the court position. What you're trying is called SPIN. In your opinion. |
Bullshit there sonny. NRA didn't actively fight to kill the case. They just didn't support it at first because so many of these cases had been struck down before. And do actually think we would have gotten pro-RKBA judges in court system if it was not for the decades of work the NRA, NRA-ILA, and NRA-PVF have been doing? Expanding RKBA and getting pro-gun politicians elected. The only reason Heller vs DC could happen was because the NRA had work so long to get the political climate we have today. What do you do for RKBA? Alot of big talk about how the NRA sucks but very little talk from the Purity Trolls. What the hell is your effective strategy? Do you actually think Heller vs. DC will end gun-control as an issue? Even with a good decision from the SCOTUS we are still going to need the NRA to fight the antis in the legislatures. |
Really? They didn't try to consolidate the case and have it turned completely over to their lawyers... Using a flawed legal theory they were warned about by Cato, which ultimated caused their (the NRA's)case to fail? Your spin is pathetic. They tried, Cato smacked them down and now they are playing catch up. Don't want to take my word for it? Go to Cato and read it yourself. The NRA was a HUGE roadblock for Cato. Why? Cato is doing it without the NRA. And Heller is only their first suit. Their next one will be incorporation. I donate to local pro gun politicians. I regularly contact their offices to voice my support and opposition to issues in congress. These are things the NRA could do for me, but I chose to do them for myself. |
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Keep Spinning! Don't let the FACTS get in your way. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker_v._District_of_Columbia#Involvement_of_the_National_Rifle_Association
www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200305\NAT20030506b.html
www.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/us/03bar.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=todayspaper&pagewanted=p&adxnnlx=1196698403-9bduxMhv9II9YBOJ+ti9Pg&oref=slogin
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Levy is funding this himself. NO DONATIONS. Someone please explain to me why the NRA needs 1.2 million in donations for Heller, if Levy isn't taking any money? The NRA lie again!?! Never! www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=309587
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Oh and this is the part where someone usually says "You're not even a Team Member! We'll carry your weight there too!" Let's head that one off at the pass. I was a team member and rarely used the team forums. So I decided to pick a random person this year and bought them my membership. Maybe they will enjoy the team forums.
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| Not a team member but I am an NRA life member and probably have been longer than it's been since many here first pulled a trigger. Don't forgive my bluntness but how the fuck can anyone come up with the saying the NRA isn't for the 2nd??? Do I agree with everything? No, but it takes a total fucktard to say they are not for the 2nd. |
Depending on the result of Heller, you can bet you ass that there will be new legislation proposed; the NRA alone among the various RKBA groups has an ability to influence the process (either push good legislation or run damage-control on bad), and they want to be ready for that. On a sidenote, I have yet to meet a virulently anti-NRA person who wasn't some sort of fucktard cockmonkey. Just sayin. |
When they came for the jews I did nothing becuase I was not a jew When they came for the gypsys I did nothing I was not a gypsy When they came for the catholics I did nothign I was not catholic When they came for me There was no one left to do anything Take a little here. Take a little there. The next thing you know DR's wanna ban kitchen knives with points and/or blades over 2" in length. Ask the English how well your attitude worked for them. Is the NRA perfect? Nope neither is any one here. Join, vote for NRA pres and rep who agree with you. Whether we like it or not the are considered to be THE SINGLE MOST EFFECTIVE LOBBYING GROUP IN DC---that is the opinion of political analysts not of NRA members. |
Bush has continually promised to sign any new AW Ban to cross his desk. Attorney General Gonzalez (a Bush pick) banned importation of AW parts. Bush isn't progun Pro-Fudd, yes.
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| If you look up HSUS and other anti hunting groups (who would probably be anti gun) you find they are consolidating and claim around 10 million members. NRA has about 4 million members. The anti groups hate the NRA. For a reason. Join and be glad you did a little bit to help. |
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Tannim (or any other Purity Troll) did not answer one of my questions. Do any of you think we would have gotten Heller vs DC if the NRA had not been working for the past few decades expanding RKBA and getting pro-gun politicians elected? Pro-Gun politicians who then select pro-gun judges. Was the NRA at first skeptical of the Heller/Parker case? Yes, for good reason. Many of these court cases go down in flames and they viewed the reward as not worth the risk. SCOTUS could still side against us and then we are really gonna need the NRA to help fight against the ANTIS. And even if we do get a good decision from SCOTUS we will still need the NRA-ILA/PVF. Did Roe vs. Wade end abortion as an issue in the US? Most guns laws will still be decided in the State and Federal legislatures and we are going to need an effective pro-gun advocacy group. |
DK hit the nail on the head. |
Ad Hominiem attacks usually mean you have nothing worthwhile to contribute. |
The people of the US did that without the NRA. The NRA wasn't skeptical. They were hostile to Heller. The links provided prove that. And I watched how effective the NRA was at the state level for 3 years in CA before I left them. Absolutely ineffective. The Organization circles it's wagons and goes as limp as a possum in defensive mode. Until they begin offensive actions, they're not for me. |
 Best answer yet!
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AMEN |
I think the fact that you appear to honestly, truly believe that the Burger Court of the 80s, or the Rhenquist-Sandra Day O'Connor court of the 90s and early 00s would have upheld the Second Amendment as an idividual right speaks volumes about your perception of political reality. Cato got the opportunity to file lawsuits that have a decent chance of success because NRA members held their nose and voted for Bush pere and Bush fils, even though neither was the best choice in terms of their views on guns. But they did replace anti-RKBA justices like Thurgood Marshall and Sandra Day O'Connor with solid pro-RKBA justices like Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, thus tipping the court to a very likely 5-4 pro-RKBA majority. Not to mention the dozens of pro-RKBA district and circuit court justices that have been appointed during the Reagan, Bush and Bush administrations. The courts are now favorable to a Second Amendment challenge because they are mostly full of conservative appointees. That wouldn't have happened if gun owners had sat on their hands and waited for the GOA-approved candidates (Ron Paul, anyone?) to win elections. ETA: Edited for clarity. |
Much better than I could have said it. |
You think the NRA did that? The country did that. After Clinton the country decided on bush. It wasn't the magical NRA that carried him into office. |
I'm interested in kowing what you have been doing personally to take up their slack, then? |