Posted: 3/31/2014 12:12:41 AM EDT
| Ok so I have a question. I am currently in romania and ordered every part I need to make my 300BLK pistol. Everything except the barrel is sitting at my FFL dealer (who also happens to be a friend of mine). The barrel is at my house. Anyway, wondering if it is ok to submit the form 1 to convert it to an SBR, before I even take actual ownership of the lower (its already paid for, AERO upper/lower set, no-FA). I know I need to get it engraved, can I have him ship that off and get it done? I am trying to efile so it would all be ready for me when I get back the wait time seems to be about 3-4 months and thats the timeframe before I come home. Any help is appreciated! |
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Ok so I have a question. I am currently in romania and ordered every part I need to make my 300BLK pistol. Everything except the barrel is sitting at my FFL dealer (who also happens to be a friend of mine). The barrel is at my house. Anyway, wondering if it is ok to submit the form 1 to convert it to an SBR, before I even take actual ownership of the lower (its already paid for, AERO upper/lower set, no-FA). I know I need to get it engraved, can I have him ship that off and get it done? I am trying to efile so it would all be ready for me when I get back the wait time seems to be about 3-4 months and thats the timeframe before I come home. Any help is appreciated! edit: Do you have any other lowers lying around 
Bolded part: You can't legally convert to sbr before approval. To be an sbr it has to have a lower. I highly recommend shipping it off for engraving before form 1 is approved. You can assemble the upper if you bought a stripped lower that was marked other/receiver on 4473, and said lower never had a buttstock attached to it. Upper and no lowers=OK Upper and pistol lower=OK Upper and rifle lower=NOT OK prepare ur anus for butsecs |
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edit: Do you have any other lowers lying around
Bolded part: You can't legally convert to sbr before approval. To be an sbr it has to have a lower. I highly recommend shipping it off for engraving before form 1 is approved. You can assemble the upper if you bought a stripped lower that was marked other/receiver on 4473, and said lower never had a buttstock attached to it. Upper and no lowers=OK Upper and pistol lower=OK Upper and rifle lower=NOT OK prepare ur anus for butsecs Quoted:
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Ok so I have a question. I am currently in romania and ordered every part I need to make my 300BLK pistol. Everything except the barrel is sitting at my FFL dealer (who also happens to be a friend of mine). The barrel is at my house. Anyway, wondering if it is ok to submit the form 1 to convert it to an SBR, before I even take actual ownership of the lower (its already paid for, AERO upper/lower set, no-FA). I know I need to get it engraved, can I have him ship that off and get it done? I am trying to efile so it would all be ready for me when I get back the wait time seems to be about 3-4 months and thats the timeframe before I come home. Any help is appreciated! edit: Do you have any other lowers lying around
Bolded part: You can't legally convert to sbr before approval. To be an sbr it has to have a lower. I highly recommend shipping it off for engraving before form 1 is approved. You can assemble the upper if you bought a stripped lower that was marked other/receiver on 4473, and said lower never had a buttstock attached to it. Upper and no lowers=OK Upper and pistol lower=OK Upper and rifle lower=NOT OK prepare ur anus for butsecs It was an upper/lower set (stripped) from AERO. But I cant actually pick them up from my FFL since im in romania. Trying to submit the paperwork now, and have him get it engraved before I pick it up. Just seeing if that is legal/possible EDIT: no lowers laying around |
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It was an upper/lower set (stripped) from AERO. But I cant actually pick them up from my FFL since im in romania. Trying to submit the paperwork now, and have him get it engraved before I pick it up. Just seeing if that is legal/possible EDIT: no lowers laying around Quoted:
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Ok so I have a question. I am currently in romania and ordered every part I need to make my 300BLK pistol. Everything except the barrel is sitting at my FFL dealer (who also happens to be a friend of mine). The barrel is at my house. Anyway, wondering if it is ok to submit the form 1 to convert it to an SBR, before I even take actual ownership of the lower (its already paid for, AERO upper/lower set, no-FA). I know I need to get it engraved, can I have him ship that off and get it done? I am trying to efile so it would all be ready for me when I get back the wait time seems to be about 3-4 months and thats the timeframe before I come home. Any help is appreciated! edit: Do you have any other lowers lying around
Bolded part: You can't legally convert to sbr before approval. To be an sbr it has to have a lower. I highly recommend shipping it off for engraving before form 1 is approved. You can assemble the upper if you bought a stripped lower that was marked other/receiver on 4473, and said lower never had a buttstock attached to it. Upper and no lowers=OK Upper and pistol lower=OK Upper and rifle lower=NOT OK prepare ur anus for butsecs It was an upper/lower set (stripped) from AERO. But I cant actually pick them up from my FFL since im in romania. Trying to submit the paperwork now, and have him get it engraved before I pick it up. Just seeing if that is legal/possible EDIT: no lowers laying around If you have already completed 4473 your ffl friend should be able to ship it off for engraving. The lower does not need to be transferred; legally speaking, it would be going in for repair. I know for a fact it is legal for individuals to send in firearms for repair without a transfer. I would think having a friend doing this for you would be ok, but IANAL. You have to go through alot more bs regarding shipping the firearm if you wait until it is registered as an sbr. |
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edit: Do you have any other lowers lying around
Bolded part: You can't legally convert to sbr before approval. To be an sbr it has to have a lower. I highly recommend shipping it off for engraving before form 1 is approved. You can assemble the upper if you bought a stripped lower that was marked other/receiver on 4473, and said lower never had a buttstock attached to it. Upper and no lowers=OK Upper and pistol lower=OK Upper and rifle lower=NOT OK prepare ur anus for butsecs Quoted:
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Ok so I have a question. I am currently in romania and ordered every part I need to make my 300BLK pistol. Everything except the barrel is sitting at my FFL dealer (who also happens to be a friend of mine). The barrel is at my house. Anyway, wondering if it is ok to submit the form 1 to convert it to an SBR, before I even take actual ownership of the lower (its already paid for, AERO upper/lower set, no-FA). I know I need to get it engraved, can I have him ship that off and get it done? I am trying to efile so it would all be ready for me when I get back the wait time seems to be about 3-4 months and thats the timeframe before I come home. Any help is appreciated! edit: Do you have any other lowers lying around
Bolded part: You can't legally convert to sbr before approval. To be an sbr it has to have a lower. I highly recommend shipping it off for engraving before form 1 is approved. You can assemble the upper if you bought a stripped lower that was marked other/receiver on 4473, and said lower never had a buttstock attached to it. Upper and no lowers=OK Upper and pistol lower=OK Upper and rifle lower=NOT OK prepare ur anus for butsecs I have a correction... The presence of a attached buttstock does NOT make nor determine the status of a lower receiver as a "rifle". The attachment of a barreled upper IS the determining factor on if you have assembled a pistol or rifle. If you buy a "complete" lowers with stock etc, it is STILL transferred as a receiver and is neither a rifle or a pistol. carry on.... |
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Have not done 4473, I'm in romania. Does this mean he cannot get it engraved? And nothing is put together yet. It's all sitting at my FFL. I shipped the barrel to my house, he has everything else. Uncharted waters for me. I know you said it's already paid for. Maybe he, or someone else you trust can buy it and fill out 4473. Get the engraving work done and then decide to gift it, or sell it to you at a later date. Firearms can be gifted no problem. However, it can't be bought by someone else with the intention of immediately selling it to you, because straw purchase. 
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edit: Do you have any other lowers lying around
Bolded part: You can't legally convert to sbr before approval. To be an sbr it has to have a lower. I highly recommend shipping it off for engraving before form 1 is approved. You can assemble the upper if you bought a stripped lower that was marked other/receiver on 4473, and said lower never had a buttstock attached to it. Upper and no lowers=OK Upper and pistol lower=OK Upper and rifle lower=NOT OK prepare ur anus for butsecs Quoted:
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Ok so I have a question. I am currently in romania and ordered every part I need to make my 300BLK pistol. Everything except the barrel is sitting at my FFL dealer (who also happens to be a friend of mine). The barrel is at my house. Anyway, wondering if it is ok to submit the form 1 to convert it to an SBR, before I even take actual ownership of the lower (its already paid for, AERO upper/lower set, no-FA). I know I need to get it engraved, can I have him ship that off and get it done? I am trying to efile so it would all be ready for me when I get back the wait time seems to be about 3-4 months and thats the timeframe before I come home. Any help is appreciated! edit: Do you have any other lowers lying around
Bolded part: You can't legally convert to sbr before approval. To be an sbr it has to have a lower. I highly recommend shipping it off for engraving before form 1 is approved. You can assemble the upper if you bought a stripped lower that was marked other/receiver on 4473, and said lower never had a buttstock attached to it. Upper and no lowers=OK Upper and pistol lower=OK Upper and rifle lower=NOT OK prepare ur anus for butsecs Upper w/barrel installed less than 16 inches + rifle lower = not OK You can have all the parts you want not assembled into working rifles. |
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Quoted: Have not done 4473, I'm in romania. Does this mean he cannot get it engraved? And nothing is put together yet. It's all sitting at my FFL. I shipped the barrel to my house, he has everything else. send the paperwork off now. |
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send forms to cleo, they sign/mail them back if you need a sig Quoted:
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Also wanted to ask. How are you going to get fingerprints and cleo sign off if you are in Romaina? Unless your going the trust route then never mind. I haz trust
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Must be in possession of reciver before paperwork is submitted, might be a way around that but I doubt it. Have any other lowers laying around? Can you link me a source of your information? I have been looking but I cannot find anything that says I have to be. |
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Quoted: Can you link me a source of your information? I have been looking but I cannot find anything that says I have to be. Quoted: Quoted: Must be in possession of reciver before paperwork is submitted, might be a way around that but I doubt it. Have any other lowers laying around? Can you link me a source of your information? I have been looking but I cannot find anything that says I have to be. You are the manufacturer of the SBR. You can't make one if you don't have it. |
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Can you link me a source of your information? I have been looking but I cannot find anything that says I have to be. Quoted:
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Must be in possession of reciver before paperwork is submitted, might be a way around that but I doubt it. Have any other lowers laying around? Can you link me a source of your information? I have been looking but I cannot find anything that says I have to be. Have you done the 4473? If yes then proceed if no then you can not be the manufacturer of the sbr legally since you are not in possession. I am on my phone and donot have access to links. For the ffl to be legal and you as well then he has to have you fill out a 4473 for legal possession, now you mommy can go down and buy the lower for you in her name and gift it to you for your birthday or some other shit. |
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Quoted: Have not done 4473, I'm in romania. Does this mean he cannot get it engraved? And nothing is put together yet. It's all sitting at my FFL. I shipped the barrel to my house, he has everything else. At least, that's how Silencer Shop releases their silencers through the mail to TX residents.
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You are the manufacturer of the SBR. You can't make one if you don't have it. Quoted:
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Must be in possession of reciver before paperwork is submitted, might be a way around that but I doubt it. Have any other lowers laying around? Can you link me a source of your information? I have been looking but I cannot find anything that says I have to be. You are the manufacturer of the SBR. You can't make one if you don't have it. The Form 1 is just the approval to mfg the SBR. As long as the the OP actually takes possession of it before he pins on the SBR upper to it when it gets back stateside, I don't see anywhere on the form 1 that requires him to have possession of the lower prior to sending the paperwork in. Quoted:
Could HE technically take possession of the lower and then gift it to me and have it shipped off to have engraved? The lower is already technically owned by your FFL at this time. He can send it off to be engraved with whatever he wants on it. I would not mess around with the "gifting" idea as there is no need to and you could run into trouble since it could easily be shown (i.e. this thread) that the lower was for you the entire time. |
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The Form 1 is just the approval to mfg the SBR. As long as the the OP actually takes possession of it before he pins on the SBR upper to it when it gets back stateside, I don't see anywhere on the form 1 that requires him to have possession of the lower prior to sending the paperwork in. The lower is already technically owned by your FFL at this time. He can send it off to be engraved with whatever he wants on it. I would not mess around with the "gifting" idea as there is no need to and you could run into trouble since it could easily be shown (i.e. this thread) that the lower was for you the entire time. Quoted:
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Must be in possession of reciver before paperwork is submitted, might be a way around that but I doubt it. Have any other lowers laying around? Can you link me a source of your information? I have been looking but I cannot find anything that says I have to be. You are the manufacturer of the SBR. You can't make one if you don't have it. The Form 1 is just the approval to mfg the SBR. As long as the the OP actually takes possession of it before he pins on the SBR upper to it when it gets back stateside, I don't see anywhere on the form 1 that requires him to have possession of the lower prior to sending the paperwork in. Quoted:
Could HE technically take possession of the lower and then gift it to me and have it shipped off to have engraved? The lower is already technically owned by your FFL at this time. He can send it off to be engraved with whatever he wants on it. I would not mess around with the "gifting" idea as there is no need to and you could run into trouble since it could easily be shown (i.e. this thread) that the lower was for you the entire time. These are the correct answers. The lower legally belongs to your FFL currently. Therefore, he does not need anybody's permission to send it off for engraving. And, while the FFL may currently be in legal possession of the lower, he is not legally in possession of an SBR made with that receiver. Therefore, you can send in a Form 1 (Application to Make and Register an NFA Firearm) while it is in his possession. The SBR won't exist until it's made by you, which will occur when you put both a stock and a <16" barrel on it. Until such time, there's nothing in the law which says the FFL can't have it in his safe or possession. Heck, even after you do build the SBR, if you tear it back down to the point is no longer meets the definition of an SBR, it could be possessed by anyone who isn't a prohibited person because it'll revert back to being a Title I firearm. |
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You are the manufacturer of the SBR. You can't make one if you don't have it. Quoted:
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Must be in possession of reciver before paperwork is submitted, might be a way around that but I doubt it. Have any other lowers laying around? Can you link me a source of your information? I have been looking but I cannot find anything that says I have to be. You are the manufacturer of the SBR. You can't make one if you don't have it. I have an approved Form 1 for a supressor I never built 
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No, you cannot Form 1 a receiver you do not legally own. Despite being paid for, you do not own the receiver until it is transferred to you, and that transfer must be in person at a location within the FFL's state.
There is no requirement to engrave your firearm BEFORE you receive the tax stamp. Engraving must be done prior to the firearm being assembled in NFA configuration. I would probably do the engraving prior to the Form 1, so I could verify and reverify that the information on the receiver exactly matches the Form 1. ETA: After reading the above posts, I may be wrong about the first part of my answer. |