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Posted: 5/11/2002 6:21:50 PM EDT
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No flame intended - just a darn good place to start.
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You should be looking to use it to put a down on a house someday, no better investment than that [:D]
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Good point here.  If you can plop down 20% (I'm fairly sure that is the figure), you won't have to pay your monthly PMI which adds up to a tidy figure in savings.
Link Posted: 5/11/2002 7:36:38 PM EDT
Interest on CD's and other "safe" investments is at an all time low right now.  I would suggest paying off the cars, and trying to get debt free.  Or you could just buy a really cool gun collection.
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I'd pay off ALL my debts.
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"Dude!  You're getting a house!". Seriously though, buy a house(but don't put all your money as down payment) and enjoy the fact that you are building equity. You will never be more than temporarily debt-free anyway. Don't pay off the vehicles. Then you would just have 2 vehicles that are paid for and depreciating fast.  You need some cash in the bank for an emergency also.  Just my .02  
Link Posted: 5/11/2002 10:07:55 PM EDT
30,000 dollars?

- Chartered Lear Jet to Vegas
- High stakes BlackJack
- Hookers
- Booze

It would be an expensive weekend, but man, would you ever have a helluva post on here when you got back!
Link Posted: 5/11/2002 10:25:44 PM EDT
Yeah, with interest rates so low, you're far better off paying off debt than investing the money in a low-yielding account. I think most money market funds are now paying less than inflation.
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Link Posted: 5/12/2002 1:58:11 AM EDT
Dude, how can $30k earn anything for the man right now? He said he doesn't want a house or any real estate I assume, so that leaves stocks, bonds, money accounts, precious metals, whatever. The smart thing to do would be to sell the cars, pay of the balance of the loans, and get a descent used car, paying cash. But if he's not going to do that, if he wants to keep the cars, perhaps it's better to pay off the loans while he has the money?
Link Posted: 5/12/2002 2:14:56 AM EDT
I'm not going to give advice to someone else on what to do with their money, well not much, but I am going to say that a small return on investment is better than no return on investment.

Being debt free feels really good, but unless you are POSITIVE that you won't just bury yourself in debt again, why not just keep paying it off?

I dunno. I suppose if it were myself, I might think about talking to a financial planner, and see what they might suggest. In the mean time, I would probably just put the whole lump in a short term CD or something just so I had time to think about which way I would really end up ahead.

Just my opinion.
Link Posted: 5/12/2002 2:41:11 AM EDT
Depends on what the interest rate is on the car loan.  If it is more than you will make on the stock market, you might as well pay it off -- assuming the terms of the loan allow you to prepay without still having to pay the interest as well.  (I've heard that car loans are often written so that you have to pay the total amount no matter how soon you pay them off.  Never having had a loan for a car, I wouldn't know firsthand.)

If you hang on to it for investment, keep in mind that the stock market is still way overpriced compared to historical norms.

Also keep in mind that "financial planners" often try to steer you toward "investments" on which they get huge commissions.  Annuities are a favorite scam.

IMHO your absolute best bet would be a house.  Wait until autumn;  prices should be dropping as interest rates go back up.
Link Posted: 5/12/2002 6:04:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/12/2002 7:38:44 AM EDT
WHat 71 said. Cars depreciate fast and sucks your money in like a blackhole.

I would highly recommend against equity markets because very few people manage to pull a profit over the long term and it's way too easy to get sucked into a gambling mentality. (especially if you manage your own trades). Plus, most stocks don't have dividends and generate no cashflow while you hold them. So all gains have to come from selling them. This is also particularly risky since most stock prices are still way overpriced.

I agree with 71-hour, real estate is actually a pretty good investment, but just don't buy it now because housing prices are also abnormally high. It's a great way over the long term to build equity. Even if you don't want to settle down, having a house means that you have assets that can serve as a foundation for your future financial plans. If you move you can always rent it, and unlike stocks, it'd actually generate cashflow for you if you set everything up right.

Whatever you do, don't pay off the car debt with the money. Being debt free will only encourage you to take on more debt. This is how personal finance works, you buy something with borrowed money, now you have to find a way to generate the cashflow to service the debt payments. As long as they're balanced, you're fine.
Link Posted: 5/12/2002 11:58:45 AM EDT

Definitely go with real estate.  Look into tax lien sales/auctions.  This info is usually available at you local county records office.  Many times you can acquire a property for just the back taxes owed.  Once you recieve the deed, sell it just under market value for a quick turn around.  Start small, take your time, do some research.  That 30k could set you for life.  Foreclosures can be a good deal too.  I wouldn't think about paying off the cars till you've doubled your money.

Go ahead and splurge a little, say $1500 on a new toy and ammo...get it out of your system.  Plus it'll be a good start to your future gun collection.

Link Posted: 5/12/2002 11:11:23 PM EDT
To answer the queestion, you have to state what the intrest rate on your cars is.

Those of you that say it is bad to pay off a debt, because it is depreciating.  (you know who you are)  What kind of advice are you giving?

If a car loan is 8% and any Money market or CD is around 4%, then, paying off the loan is netting you TWICE the profit that the investment gives.  Plus, you dont have to pay capital gains tax.  

What does the depreciation of the cars have to do with anything?  
(unless of course you are proposing that thedave declare banruptcy, and clear his debt that way.  In which case, he better buy 30 G's of something that hides real good)

Wolfpack, please respond: I'm afraid I missed something one of the times I cut out of Economics 101.

Dave, the call to buy a house, is good advice. Though the prices in my part of CO are horrible.  You will save alot in taxes.
Link Posted: 5/12/2002 11:45:29 PM EDT
invest in cd's?

gambling in Vegas? (not likely, I lived in Reno to long to believe gambling pays off)
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CDs are a terrible investment.  Everyone is just converting them into MP3s, and then reselling the CDs.  Even if you can get CDs at wholesale prices, you can't undersell the people with garage-sale mentalities.

Oh . . . the other sort?  "Never mind."

Gambling can make you money.  You just don't get to have any fun at it then.  Not that I've ever figured out why people think it's fun to give their money to casinos. . . .
Link Posted: 5/13/2002 1:17:56 AM EDT

I was seriously considering a range but after seeing that and indoor range with outdoor range would run about $1.2 million I decided that unless I could attract investors, it wouldn't happen.

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If you're interested in running a range, there's one for sale in Lakewood (at least I think it's still on the market).  50 and 100 yard, both indoors.  It was once a pretty nice place to shoot, but the previous owners didn't maintain it very well.  The 100 yard range needs some work, but the last time I shot there, the 50 yard (pistol) range was in good shape.

I can get details on the property if you want.
Link Posted: 5/13/2002 1:39:44 AM EDT
If a car loan is 8% and any Money market or CD is around 4%, then, paying off the loan is netting you TWICE the profit that the investment gives.  Plus, you dont have to pay capital gains tax.
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You're missing one other point.  Profit from paying off debt is guaranteed whereas with investing you might lose your principal.  The risk may be low, but it is still there.

I also still haven't figured out how vehicle depreciation affects your debt decisions.  The vehicles' depreciation is not dependent on the status of the debt, making it a moot point.

When considering whether to pay off debt vs. spending the money elsewhere, consider the following sanity check.  Ask yourself "If I didn't have the cash in hand, would I borrow the money from the bank, with my vehicles as collateral, to make this transaction."  If the answer is no, reconsider; if the answer is yes, then go for it.
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If I were you I'd go to a bank and talk to one of their guys and see what they can do investment wise.  See what the interest on CD's and whatnot are.  The credit union I belong to, as far as I can tell the interest rates haven't changed.  Interest rates at most banks probably aren't good but I'd rather it be making more interest in a CD or something for a few months as opposed to the normal rate given to savings accounts...

I'm not sure if they charge to talk to but talk to a financial planner (see if a friend can recommend one to you maybe) and see what he can do for you.

Think about your options both places give to you.  If you still prefer to pay off all or most or some of your debts do that instead...or maybe use half for investing (possibly split it somehow where some is safe and some is volatile), some for fun and the rest to pay off debt...
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