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12/8/2015 8:50:12 PM EDT
Kids got a math problem...maybe I am reading into this too much,.,,but I (and him) are drawing a blank.

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"Two teams decide a touchdown is worth 5 points and a field goal is worth 3 points.  What is the highest score a team CANNOT reach with any combination of touchdowns and field goals?"


I am sure I am overthinking this...but wouldn't it be infinity?
12/8/2015 8:53:42 PM EDT
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2
12/8/2015 8:54:59 PM EDT
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5x2^2*/3 = 22
12/8/2015 8:56:23 PM EDT
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12/8/2015 8:56:33 PM EDT
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Eighty Seven
12/8/2015 8:58:49 PM EDT
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Kids got a math problem...maybe I am reading into this too much,.,,but I (and him) are drawing a blank.

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"Two teams decide a touchdown is worth 5 points and a field goal is worth 3 points.  What is the highest score a team CANNOT reach with any combination of touchdowns and field goals?"


I am sure I am overthinking this...but wouldn't it be infinity?
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Makes sense to me. Prime numbers...
12/8/2015 9:00:16 PM EDT
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7 points

Eta: Nope.  17?
5+3=8
3+3+3=9
5+5=10
5+3+3=11
3+3+3+3=12
5+5+3=13
5+3+3+3=14
5+5+5=15
5+5+3+3=16


Every number after 17 can be one of these +2 TDs.

Eta^2.  5+3+3+3+3=17
I'm back to 7.
12/8/2015 9:01:43 PM EDT
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12/8/2015 9:02:02 PM EDT
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1776
12/8/2015 9:02:49 PM EDT
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hmmm..it does say combination of.....
12/8/2015 9:03:06 PM EDT
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FOUR?
12/8/2015 9:04:31 PM EDT
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12/8/2015 9:04:55 PM EDT
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Makes sense to me. Prime numbers...
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Kids got a math problem...maybe I am reading into this too much,.,,but I (and him) are drawing a blank.

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"Two teams decide a touchdown is worth 5 points and a field goal is worth 3 points.  What is the highest score a team CANNOT reach with any combination of touchdowns and field goals?"


I am sure I am overthinking this...but wouldn't it be infinity?

Makes sense to me. Prime numbers...


This leaves out the additive part. Not that I know much more than that. 288 - 3 = 285 and 285 is divisible by 5 so that doesn't pass.

12/8/2015 9:10:24 PM EDT
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Why does it seem kids math makes me think harder than I ever had to in school?  My head hurts now.
12/8/2015 9:10:33 PM EDT
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7 is the answer.
12/8/2015 9:11:15 PM EDT
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6, 8, 9 ,10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16..

7 must be the answer.
12/8/2015 9:13:06 PM EDT
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two
12/8/2015 9:13:27 PM EDT
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Coming up with 7 too. Only thought about it for about a minute and have a few beers in me though. May want to check math.
12/8/2015 9:15:58 PM EDT
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Just made my daughter do it, she asked if extra points were included in the 5 for touchdowns.  

She says 7.
12/8/2015 9:16:55 PM EDT
[#19]
Just move to the next problem and accept the -1
 
12/8/2015 9:22:09 PM EDT
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Kids got a math problem...maybe I am reading into this too much,.,,but I (and him) are drawing a blank.



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"Two teams decide a touchdown is worth 5 points and a field goal is worth 3 points.  What is the highest score a team CANNOT reach with any combination of touchdowns and field goals?"





I am sure I am overthinking this...but wouldn't it be infinity?
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This is a reverse factoring problem.

 



As the final scores go up, you have an ever increasing variety of TDs and FGs to work with (unless it's the Bears you are talking about) to make the number.




1,2,4 are all "cannot be reached" numbers.




5 is one TD.




6 is two FGs.




7 cannot be reached.




8 can be reached with one of each.




Keep going like that until you have a handful of each for the math.




I have no idea how one would show work for this.  The kid should know some techniques that they have been teaching in whatever bullshit methods of math they are teaching at the school.
12/8/2015 9:29:43 PM EDT
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'Null'
12/8/2015 9:32:53 PM EDT
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anything that's not divisible by 3, 5, 8



so maybe 3 x 5 x 8 + 1 or 121
12/8/2015 9:35:31 PM EDT
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2 field goals and 23 touchdowns = 121
12/8/2015 9:39:07 PM EDT
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OP the correct answer is to tell Mrs. Goodell to quit fucking with football, it was fine before she became commissioner.
12/8/2015 9:46:00 PM EDT
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Assume that the game lasts 4 15min quarters or 1 hr.
Assume the average running speed is 8 mph.

A team, assuming no fatigue, will then run 8 miles in the one game.
Assuming that the kickoff return runs endzone to end zone for one play, and then the opponent turns over the ball and start again so that one team always has possession of the ball (say, interceptions fumbles etc.).

8 miles is 14080 yds, so a team can make 140.80 possible scores.
or 140.

so max score in 1 game is 5*140 =700 points.

That's your hard limit. not infinity.

any number that ends in 5 or 0 is divisible by 5.  
a number is divisible by 3 if the sum of the digits is evenly divisible by 3. (e.g. 123 > 1+2+3 = 6 which is div.by3., 556 > 5+5+6 = 16 which is not evenly div. by 3)
A number is divisible by 8 if the number represented by its last three digits is divisible by 8.


Running this through Matlab for the scores of 650 to 700, the highest number that is not divisible by 3,5 or 8 is 698.

Thus, based on the assumptions made, your answer is 698.

or brute force:
0,3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24,27,30,33,36,39,42,45,48,51,54,58...i+3,  where i=1,2...140
0, 5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55,60,...i+5,  where i=1,2...140
0,8,16,24,32,40,48,56,64,...i+8,  where i=1,2...140

Missing:1,2,4,7,11,13,14,17

I think you might need more information or check out http://primes.utm.edu/largest.html

largest prime is:
prime=2^(57885161)-1
digits =17425170
reference=Mersenne 48??
12/8/2015 9:49:24 PM EDT
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Assume that the game lasts 4 15min quarters or 1 hr.
Assume the average running speed is 8 mph.

A team, assuming no fatigue, will then run 8 miles in the one game.
Assuming that the kickoff return runs endzone to end zone for one play, and then the opponent turns over the ball and start again so that one team always has possession of the ball (say, interceptions fumbles etc.).

8 miles is 14080 yds, so a team can make 140.80 possible scores.
or 140.

so max score in 1 game is 5*140 =700 points.

That's your hard limit. not infinity.

any number that ends in 5 or 0 is divisible by 5.  
a number is divisible by 3 if the sum of the digits is evenly divisible by 3. (e.g. 123 > 1+2+3 = 6 which is div.by3., 556 > 5+5+6 = 16 which is not evenly div. by 3)
A number is divisible by 8 if the number represented by its last three digits is divisible by 8.


Running this through Matlab for the scores of 650 to 700, the highest number that is not divisible by 3,5 or 8 is 698.

Thus, based on the assumptions made, your answer is 698.

or brute force:
0,3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24,27,30,33,36,39,42,45,48,51,54,58...i+3,  where i=1,2...140
0, 5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55,60,...i+5,  where i=1,2...140
0,8,16,24,32,40,48,56,64,...i+8,  where i=1,2...140

Missing:1,2,4,7,11,13,14,17

I think you might need more information or check out http://primes.utm.edu/largest.html

largest prime is:
prime=2^(57885161)-1
digits =17425170
reference=Mersenne 48??
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12/8/2015 9:50:17 PM EDT
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12/8/2015 9:52:00 PM EDT
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87.  that's what Gee Dee says all the time.
12/8/2015 9:52:11 PM EDT
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fuck it... I'm putting   FBHO  on the answer line

actually, I am going with 7.....they go over it tomorrow,  will try to let you know what their logic is...if any.
12/8/2015 9:54:56 PM EDT
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7 sounds good but ....87! Heh
12/8/2015 9:55:26 PM EDT
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Running this through Matlab for the scores of 650 to 700, the highest number that is not divisible by 3,5 or 8 is 698.

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A fuuuuuccccckkkkkload of touchdowns equals 695.  Plus a game ending field goal is 698
12/8/2015 9:57:32 PM EDT
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anything that's not divisible by 3, 5, 8



so maybe 3 x 5 x 8 + 1 or 121




2 field goals and 23 touchdowns = 121




 
12/8/2015 10:00:33 PM EDT
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I got 7, but I feel like I cheated by using my fingers
12/8/2015 10:01:30 PM EDT
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Nope:

20  touchdowns and 7 field goals

100 points + 21 points = 121 points.



It is also not the largest known prime since we aren't looking at dividing by just one integer.  Instead, we have a sum of two values, each with an unknown product.  

If you just solve for integers 1 through 20, you will see we can achieve almost any value with the exception of 1, 2, 4, and 7.

1-
2-
3 - 1x3
4 -
5 - 1x5
6 - 2x3
7 -
8 - 1x5 + 1x3
9 - 3x3
10 - 2x5
11 - 1x5 + 2x3
12 - 4x3
13 - 2x5 + 1x3
14 - 1x5 + 3x3
15 - 3x5
16 - 2x5 + 2x3
17 - 1x5 + 4x3
18 - 6x3
19 - 2x5 + 3x3
20 - 4x5



You can add up the values we have solved for to yield any number above 20, so the answer is 7.
12/8/2015 10:03:14 PM EDT
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Assume that the game lasts 4 15min quarters or 1 hr.
Assume the average running speed is 8 mph.

A team, assuming no fatigue, will then run 8 miles in the one game.
Assuming that the kickoff return runs endzone to end zone for one play, and then the opponent turns over the ball and start again so that one team always has possession of the ball (say, interceptions fumbles etc.).

8 miles is 14080 yds, so a team can make 140.80 possible scores.
or 140.

so max score in 1 game is 5*140 =700 points.

That's your hard limit. not infinity.

any number that ends in 5 or 0 is divisible by 5.  
a number is divisible by 3 if the sum of the digits is evenly divisible by 3. (e.g. 123 > 1+2+3 = 6 which is div.by3., 556 > 5+5+6 = 16 which is not evenly div. by 3)
A number is divisible by 8 if the number represented by its last three digits is divisible by 8.


Running this through Matlab for the scores of 650 to 700, the highest number that is not divisible by 3,5 or 8 is 698.

Thus, based on the assumptions made, your answer is 698.

or brute force:
0,3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24,27,30,33,36,39,42,45,48,51,54,58...i+3,  where i=1,2...140
0, 5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55,60,...i+5,  where i=1,2...140
0,8,16,24,32,40,48,56,64,...i+8,  where i=1,2...140

Missing:1,2,4,7,11,13,14,17

I think you might need more information or check out http://primes.utm.edu/largest.html

largest prime is:
prime=2^(57885161)-1
digits =17425170
reference=Mersenne 48??
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are you an asian wizard?
12/8/2015 10:25:04 PM EDT
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Every prime number greater than 3 takes the form n = 6q + u, where u is either 1 or 5. Regardless, n is always going to be divisble by some combination of 3s and 5s.

The answer is 7.
12/8/2015 10:36:35 PM EDT
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Running this through Matlab for the scores of 650 to 700, the highest number that is not divisible by 3,5 or 8 is 698.

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We're not looking for numbers divisible by 3, 5 or 8. We need a number not divisible by 3a + 5b, where a and b are positive integers.  




12/9/2015 12:43:06 AM EDT
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This leaves out the additive part. Not that I know much more than that. 288 - 3 = 285 and 285 is divisible by 5 so that doesn't pass.

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Kids got a math problem...maybe I am reading into this too much,.,,but I (and him) are drawing a blank.

Organized list

"Two teams decide a touchdown is worth 5 points and a field goal is worth 3 points.  What is the highest score a team CANNOT reach with any combination of touchdowns and field goals?"


I am sure I am overthinking this...but wouldn't it be infinity?

Makes sense to me. Prime numbers...


This leaves out the additive part. Not that I know much more than that. 288 - 3 = 285 and 285 is divisible by 5 so that doesn't pass.


Doh.  I was thinking multiplication.