Posted: 7/24/2004 9:03:21 PM EDT
Is the military still using the M-60 or have they phased them out for the SAW249? I was told by a Marine they aren't using them anymore, however I could swear in some news footage it looks like the Doorgunners still have them. Anyone know the real scoop
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| Is the M-60 really a bad weapon? I remember reading that it was a terrible design in Unintended Consequences. I wouldnt think it would have been in service this long if it were a pile of shit, anyone have a first hand experiance with it. I dont get that much time with it living here in CA. Only shot it a couple times myself, worked damn fine then. |
havent carried an M240B have ya? its even heavier, and it isnt balanced either. the 60's are still carried by engineer units, and support units as well. the guard and reserves have lots of them. not a great weapon, but the M240 is so much better as a machine gun, more accurate, higher ROF, less prone to stoppage, although it is a bitch to lug around, even when compared to the 60 |
Yes you are incorrect. The only M-60 I ever saw mounted to an aircraft was on the UH1N Hueys. Out CH-53's & CH-46's all had the M2 .50 Aircraft Machine Gun door and window mounted. The UH1Ns had M60 only due to airframe stress considerations. But I may be wrong since I only have personal experience, and that was from the 80s.... |
M240s are hands down the better gun, weight issues notwithstanding. From the Operation Iraqi Freedom SOLDIER WEAPONS ASSESSMENT TEAM REPORT 6-03:
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I'm a CH-47 Flight Engineer- we still use them. M60D's, spade grip, slightly heavier barrel as I understand, different rear sight. In Iraq we ordered a bunch of regular M60 buttstocks and pistol grip assemblies in case we had to use them on the ground or for E&E. They still work okay, but they are getting awfully tired. |
Strangley, the Royal Air Force now often uses the M60 as a secondary door gun on it's helos, (the primary door gun is a 7.62 Gatling Gun, they don't like being shot at), even though the M60 was never in British Service, the GPMG aka M240 was always the one for our guys… very, very reliable. ANdy |
I've see pics, I wish I knew where, of a Ma Duce on the ramp of a 'hook....it was a RAF 'hook I think... |
You need Navy airframe fitters to solve that one!  The Royal Navy Lynx Helos were getting outgunned with just a door mounted 7.62 so the ground crews rustled up a mount for a .50 BMG, ……so you rags think your bad with your RPD's…… get some!Mother f@&%!rs   Andy |
Yep, the RAF Wokka Wokkas are based just up the road from me at RAF Odiham, my house is under the IP LZ for the army based down the road… noisy bastards! They have a side mounted gatling gun as standard, but I'm starting to see a lot carry another gatling gun on the rear ramp, and although many still have a 7.62, the .50's are starting to be fitted more and more in place of the M60's now they are being used as Heavy Assault Helos off our Carriers. Andy RAF Wokka Wokkas…landing on Royal Navy Aircraft Carrier in the Gulf  Now thats what I CALL a door gun! 
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