Iran Official Happening Thread: Operation Epic Fury (Page 739 of 745)
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Originally Posted By SheltiePimp: The fact that we are debating what influence Israel has on anything is such a joke. Israel, is a vessel state. They are not the chosen. They are a tool. A tool for the petro dollar. Vassal state. Not vessel state. Not to be that guy but let’s tighten up our fancy talk. |
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Originally Posted By bensonmum: Lol, can you tell me when the American taxpayer was winning? When the Death Cult 12ers in Iran were stopped from building a Nuke & destroying any American city. If these lunatics got a nuke & smuggled into any US or any 1st world port, the world would be fucked for a very long time (even though Iran would immediately be turned to ashes). Trump sees this & wants it stopped! |
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Originally Posted By garr: When the Death Cult 12ers in Iran were stopped from building a Nuke & destroying any American city. If these lunatics got a nuke & smuggled into any US or any 1st world port, the world would be fucked for a very long time (even though Iran would immediately be turned to ashes). Trump sees this & wants it stopped! We didn’t stop any other country from acquiring a nuke(s) why would stop Iran? |
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Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: We didn’t stop any other country from acquiring a nuke(s) why would stop Iran? Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: Originally Posted By garr: When the Death Cult 12ers in Iran were stopped from building a Nuke & destroying any American city. If these lunatics got a nuke & smuggled into any US or any 1st world port, the world would be fucked for a very long time (even though Iran would immediately be turned to ashes). Trump sees this & wants it stopped! We didn’t stop any other country from acquiring a nuke(s) why would stop Iran? Because the people in Iran want a nuke for the purpose of bringing the end of times and their messiah. As I understand it they are the ones who keep saying they need to remove all of the Jews, and that can not be accomplished with conventional weapons. So once they have a nuke they can defeat the enemies and the messiah returns. And of course, if Israel finds out Iran is about to nuke them, they are going to defend themselves first. Or maybe nukes in the air going at each other at the same time. |
Yemen's Houthis: Saudi enemy air force carried out 129 airstrikes over the past 48 hours across the provinces of Taiz, Marib, Hodeidah, Al-Jawf, Saada, Amran, and Hajjah. These strikes were carried out by F-15 and Typhoon aircraft launched from the Saudi enemy's military bases in Khamis Mushait and Taif. These aggressions against our people will not go without response and punishment, God willing.
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Robert A. Heinlein, Friday
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Originally Posted By stone-age: Because the people in Iran want a nuke for the purpose of bringing the end of times and their messiah. As I understand it they are the ones who keep saying they need to remove all of the Jews, and that can not be accomplished with conventional weapons. So once they have a nuke they can defeat the enemies and the messiah returns. And of course, if Israel finds out Iran is about to nuke them, they are going to defend themselves first. Or maybe nukes in the air going at each other at the same time. Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: Originally Posted By garr: When the Death Cult 12ers in Iran were stopped from building a Nuke & destroying any American city. If these lunatics got a nuke & smuggled into any US or any 1st world port, the world would be fucked for a very long time (even though Iran would immediately be turned to ashes). Trump sees this & wants it stopped! We didn’t stop any other country from acquiring a nuke(s) why would stop Iran? Because the people in Iran want a nuke for the purpose of bringing the end of times and their messiah. As I understand it they are the ones who keep saying they need to remove all of the Jews, and that can not be accomplished with conventional weapons. So once they have a nuke they can defeat the enemies and the messiah returns. And of course, if Israel finds out Iran is about to nuke them, they are going to defend themselves first. Or maybe nukes in the air going at each other at the same time. Don’t bother… the answer falls on deaf ears because they refuse to hear reality. |
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"
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Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Don’t bother… the answer falls on deaf ears because they refuse to hear reality. We’ve been hearing about this so called “reality” for nearly 50 years. It’s so tiresome. Currently, the U.S. is no better position over Iran than prior to the “totally not a war, but definitely a war” |
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Go ahead, check my math. |
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Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: We’ve been hearing about this so called “reality” for nearly 50 years. It’s so tiresome. Currently, the U.S. is no better position over Iran than prior to the “totally not a war, but definitely a war” Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Don’t bother… the answer falls on deaf ears because they refuse to hear reality. We’ve been hearing about this so called “reality” for nearly 50 years. It’s so tiresome. Currently, the U.S. is no better position over Iran than prior to the “totally not a war, but definitely a war” Attached File |
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Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Don’t bother… the answer falls on deaf ears because they refuse to hear reality. We’ve been hearing about this so called “reality” for nearly 50 years. It’s so tiresome. Currently, the U.S. is no better position over Iran than prior to the “totally not a war, but definitely a war” /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/th-463.jpg Like I said, don’t fucking bother with them. |
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"
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Originally Posted By michigan66:
What a shame. Abha is one of the nicest places in Saudi - volcanic crater in the mountains, with pine trees and sometimes a little winter snow. |
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Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: We’ve been hearing about this so called “reality” for nearly 50 years. It’s so tiresome. Is this the same line of thinking the Presidents who did nothing after the 1993 WTC bombing. Terrorists want to come to America to kill Americans. There is a thread on the same page about Bush being briefed before 9/11 and in 2001 the US was attacked. How could this be? People like ChicagoFoodie thought "Death to America" is just a slogan. |
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Originally Posted By dwhitehorne: Is this the same line of thinking the Presidents who did nothing after the 1993 WTC bombing. Terrorists want to come to America to kill Americans. There is a thread on the same page about Bush being briefed before 9/11 and in 2001 the US was attacked. How could this be? People like ChicagoFoodie thought "Death to America" is just a slogan. I was referring to Iran acquiring a nuke, which we’ve been hearing about for decades and there’s no evidence that they have one or have tried to build one. And yes, I read the other thread about UBL and how we failed to stop 9/11. |
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Originally Posted By DevilsEggAdvocate: Trump sees this but is perhaps the most to blame for Iran being at the threshold of a nuke. When Trump tore up the JCPOA 2018 the Iranians were at 3.67% enrichment. Now they're at 60%. At 60% enrichment it is much easier for them to get to bomb grade than it was for them to go from 3.67% to even 10%. As the enrichment level goes up the amount of effort to enrich goes down. If we get nuked I'm posting this: https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.3026001827.9035/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.u2.jpg And what would be the reason they wanted it enriched to 60 or 70% other than to build a bomb? Nuke power plants only use fuel enriched to 3-10%. They were working on it way before Trump ever took office, most was done during the Obama years. |
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Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: I was referring to Iran acquiring a nuke, which we've been hearing about for decades and there's no evidence that they have one or have tried to build one. And yes, I read the other thread about UBL and how we failed to stop 9/11. ![]() The IAEA stated that Iran has 972 lbs of 60% enriched uranium. I don't think they are trolling. |
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Originally Posted By HemiPowrd: Surely you're trolling? ![]() The IAEA stated that Iran has 972 lbs of 60% enriched uranium. I don't think they are trolling. Originally Posted By HemiPowrd: Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: I was referring to Iran acquiring a nuke, which we've been hearing about for decades and there's no evidence that they have one or have tried to build one. And yes, I read the other thread about UBL and how we failed to stop 9/11. ![]() The IAEA stated that Iran has 972 lbs of 60% enriched uranium. I don't think they are trolling. Like I said… don’t bother. They are either beyond reason or here on a mission. |
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"
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Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: We didn’t stop any other country from acquiring a nuke(s) why would stop Iran? Name the other country that acquired nukes that had stated intentions of bringing about the destruction of the Great Satan (the USA), the Lesser Satan (Israel), and destroying the world so the 12 Imam can hop out of the cave. Iran is not rational actor. |
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Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: We’ve been hearing about this so called “reality” for nearly 50 years. It’s so tiresome. Currently, the U.S. is no better position over Iran than prior to the “totally not a war, but definitely a war” Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Don’t bother… the answer falls on deaf ears because they refuse to hear reality. We’ve been hearing about this so called “reality” for nearly 50 years. It’s so tiresome. Currently, the U.S. is no better position over Iran than prior to the “totally not a war, but definitely a war” Yes we have been hearing about ti for 50years. So what? Can you namy ANY ACTION Iran has taken in that 50 years inconsistent with their stated intentions? |
Full article mentioned in X post CAIRO — An Iranian cargo vessel was struck early Sunday off Qeshm Island in the Strait of Hormuz , with one person killed and four wounded, Iranian state media said, a day before Tehran seeks to brief regional countries on its contested efforts to manage shipping traffic there. The events were a deadly reminder of the underlying challenge to global shipping even as attention turns to a new threat, with Iran-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen now perched on the Bab el-Mandeb Strait in the Red Sea. State-run IRNA news agency quoted the Qeshm governor as blaming a “terrorist enemy.” There was no immediate comment by the U.S. military, which has struck Iranian-flagged vessels during its blockade of Iranian ports — while facing a new threat from Iranian ballistic missiles launched at its warships . Separately, the United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations monitor said a vessel was hit by a projectile while transiting the strait, later adding that a fire had broken out and local authorities were evacuating those on board. Qeshm Island, about 14 miles (22 kilometers) from the port city of Bandar Abbas , is key to Iran asserting control over the Strait of Hormuz. Hours before the attack, Iran’s government remained defiant. “Our people can’t be bullied into submission. Iran won’t surrender,” President Masoud Pezeshkian said in a U.S.-aimed social media post. Monday's meeting aims to brief regional countries on the strait Monday’s meeting returns regional attention to the Strait of Hormuz days after the Houthis swept down Yemen's Red Sea coast to apply new pressure to a growing alternative for global shipping. While the Houthis say they are targeting only neighboring Saudi Arabia , which backs Yemen’s internationally recognized government fighting the rebels, markets are wary. Global prices of oil, natural gas and related products have been sent even higher. Commercial ship traffic remains low in the Strait of Hormuz as attacks continue on what was seen as an international waterway before the U.S. and Israel launched the war on Feb. 28. The U.S. has asserted that plenty of oil is getting out as its military helps to guide ships along Oman’s coast, at the risk of attack. Iran has said foreign ministers from regional countries will meet Monday to discuss efforts by Iran and Oman, located on the other side of the Strait of Hormuz, to manage shipping on it. However, Bahrain has already said it will not attend, citing a lack of diplomatic relations with Tehran. It was not clear what other nations would be there, and there was no new statement from Iran on Sunday. Since early in the war, Iran has expressed interest in having ships pay fees for transit. It has said traffic into the Persian Gulf would pass through Iranian waters, while the outbound route would pass partly through Iranian waters and partly through Oman’s. But Iran has said reaching an agreement with Oman on the strait doesn’t mean it will open for shipping. “The waterway would be opened up on the condition that the U.S. will terminate its blockade,” Iran’s president told broadcaster India Today TV on Saturday. There was some measure of optimism in the region about the planned meeting, with hope that Gulf nations might use it to assert a collective response to a war they had no part in starting. For months, they have faced Iranian attacks that Tehran has claimed target U.S. military assets on their lands. “Oman is hoping that by presenting this agreement with a reasonable level of regional buy-in, the Trump administration will be forced to recognize that the future of the strait will be decided by regional countries,” Esfandyar Batmanghelidj, who heads the Bourse & Bazaar Foundation, a think tank focused on Iran’s economy, said on social media. Anna reported from Jerusalem.
In recent weeks, the SoH has in fact seen more outbound volume of barrels. The bottleneck however is the GoO, where we then see those laden tankers waiting for an STS dance partner. That adds delays to delivery, thus keeping oil prices higher. We covered the challenges here in our interview by @mercoglianos
If this is true, this piece shows how #Iran's regime is not as cohesive as many commentators like to portray. But a word of caution: this narrative absolving Pezeshkian and others sounds very familiar. Just like how Hassan Rouhani was allegedly in the dark over the IRGC's downing of the Ukrainian jetliner in 2020, Pezeshkian and others too are portrayed by #Iran regime sourcing as being out of the loop. The deniability helps protect them. Article mentioned in X post Masoud Pezeshkian, the president of Iran, was riding high in early July, fresh off the successful negotiation of a peace agreement with the United States, and had traveled to neighboring Iraq for part of a weeklong funeral spectacle for Iran’s slain supreme leader. Suddenly he got stunning news. Iranian forces had opened fire on three commercial ships in the Strait of Hormuz, setting ablaze a Qatari L.N.G. tanker and damaging other vessels. Iran was under siege in world opinion. Outraged, Mr. Pezeshkian phoned Gen. Ahmad Vahidi, the commander in chief of the powerful Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, and in a raised voice called the actions reckless and demanded answers, according to five Iranian officials and two Guards members familiar with the events. General Vahidi told the president that he had neither authorized nor had advance knowledge of the strike, the five officials said. The nation’s Supreme National Security Council, which plays a critical role in both the war and negotiations, had also been in the dark, he said. In fact, much of the country’s leadership was unaware that a fringe hard-line faction had decided to act on its own. Ultimately, those clandestine efforts derailed a push by more moderate pragmatists in Iran to reach an end to hostilities with the United States and repair their nation’s ailing economy. The hard-liners succeeded in part because the only figure with the authority to resolve such disputes — the new supreme leader, Ayatollah Mojtaba Khamenei — has been a phantom since taking office in March. He has not been seen, and his voice has not been heard. And the authenticity of written statements and messages attributed to Ayatollah Khamenei has been questioned, including by Mr. Pezeshkian, according to three Iranian officials. Mr. Pezeshkian immediately returned to Tehran. By the next morning, even as the funeral ceremonies were still underway, the United States had retaliated with airstrikes on Iran. The two countries were back at war. Senior Iranian officials and a Guards member said in interviews that what followed were some of the most volatile political confrontations within Iran’s leadership in memory. Officials engaged in shouting matches. Two senior generals threatened to resign. Accusations of treason and betrayal flew. The reverberations, officials said, contributed to a shake-up at the National Security Council and the supreme leader’s appointment of Gen. Mohsen Rezaei, a seasoned politician and former commander in chief of the Guards, to lead the council, as he was thought to have the skill to mediate among political factions. But divisions persist, and the hard-liners who have committed Iran to escalation are in an even stronger position. This past week, Iran and the United States traded attacks, with Iran repeatedly targeting American naval vessels for the first time, and the United States blowing up at least eight Iranian oil tankers. This account of the inner deliberations of Iran’s leadership is based on interviews with eight Iranian officials, three members of the Revolutionary Guards, four former officials and a review of dozens of speeches and comments by government officials and military generals from June to September published in the Iranian press and social media. The officials interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss delicate issues of national security. Influential Spymaster Three Iranian officials said inquiries by the government and security forces traced the decision to strike the three commercial ships in July to the cleric Hossein Taeb, an influential spymaster who had opposed the peace deal with the United States from the outset. Mr. Taeb had been telling the new supreme leader that Iran had made a mistake in ending the war and agreeing to the deal, they said. Mr. Taeb, in a recent speech to military families, said that he was not opposed to talks but that “negotiations that ignore the rights of our people and concede to the excessive demands of the enemy have no place in Iran’s politics.” Ayatollah Khamenei recently appointed Mr. Taeb as the head of the Basij militia, which is responsible for quelling domestic dissent. He had previously served for more than 20 years as chief for the Revolutionary Guards’ intelligence agency before the previous supreme leader ousted him in 2022 over failures such as Israeli infiltration of his rank and file, and a foiled plot in Turkey. Mr. Taeb re-emerged after that supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, was killed at the start of the war, and he played a key role in the selection of the son Mojtaba as the successor to his father, officials said at the time. “The attack on the ships was orchestrated with the goal to blow up the memorandum of understanding with Trump and to kill the prospects of any future negotiations and deal,” Alireza Namvar Haghighi, an Iran expert and former official who still has close contacts in the government, said in an interview from Canada. When Mr. Pezeshkian demanded to know who had struck the three ships, he was told that commanders in the field had acted on their own, in line with an order empowering them to attack any ship violating Iran’s control of the Strait without waiting for approval from central command, according to the officials with knowledge of these discussions. In one sign of the dispute, the Guards’ Khatam al-Anbiya headquarters never issued a statement claiming responsibility for the July 7 attack, as has been routine in other attacks before and since. Iranian officials relayed this same account to the United States and some of its regional allies in the immediate hours after the attacks, blaming rogue operators, according to U.S. officials who briefed reporters at the time and the three Iranian officials. Abbas Araghchi, the Iranian foreign minister, was dispatched to Oman, a key mediator, to try to defuse tensions with Washington. On the streets and on state television in Iran, meanwhile, the hard-liners openly attacked the negotiating team and its peace deal, and at nightly rallies, crowds chanted for a return to war. The Iranian government has devised an official narrative deflecting blame for the collapse of the agreement, saying Washington violated it first by not stopping Israel’s attacks on the militant group Hezbollah in Lebanon, by withholding Iran’s frozen assets and by sneaking ships through a portion of the Strait of Hormuz not controlled by Iran. But few inside Iran’s political circles are convinced by this version, including Mr. Pezeshkian himself, five officials said. Mr. Pezeshkian said publicly last month that every agreement sees violations and that they should be addressed through talks, not confrontation. When he was privately told by generals that Ayatollah Khamenei had approved the July attack on the three ships, the president demanded proof, according to three Iranian officials. Phantom Leader Under the Iranian form of government, the supreme leader has ultimate authority to settle internal disputes. But Ayatollah Khamenei’s whereabouts, his physical health and mental acuity, and the extent he is involved in state affairs have become subjects of fevered speculation. “The security situation requires for him to be protected, but I’m asking, how long is this supposed to go on? Six months? One year? Five years? Ten years?” Hojatoleslam Alireza Pirouzmand, a senior cleric and academic at Iran’s National Defense University, said on state television in late July. He added that if “we can’t see our leader, then we will remain in a perpetual state of weakness and decline.” This month Ayatollah Khamenei’s mother-in-law, Tayebeh Mahrouzadeh, gave a lengthy video interview to a local reporter, describing the extreme security precautions surrounding family members and saying they had no news of the ayatollah and his three children. Her husband, the politician Gholam-Ali Haddad Adel, told the Iranian news media in July that while Ayatollah Khamenei had no contact with anyone for security reasons, “God willing, he is healthy.” The few comments attributed to the missing leader about the peace deal have added fuel to the dispute. After the agreement was signed, a statement in his name was issued saying he had approved because it had been endorsed by the president and a majority of the National Security Council — but that he was of a different opinion “on principle.” That phrase — “on principle” — has been repeatedly used by hard-liners to attack the deal. In May, Mr. Pezeshkian said he met with Ayatollah Khamenei but did not say when or where. Two Iranian officials and a former official said the circumstances of the encounter were bizarre. They said an ambulance with blacked-out windows was used to drive Mr. Pezeshkian around, while a secure video connection was established. A person who said he was an interlocutor for Ayatollah Khamenei appeared on a monitor and purportedly passed messages between the two men. Mr. Pezeshkian confided to a close ally that he was unsure whether he had actually been communicating with the supreme leader, according to the officials with knowledge of the meeting. Last month Mr. Pezeshkian said he had been granted a second meeting and that it had lasted for seven hours. “We spoke about all the issues facing the country,” the president told Iran’s state television, listing them as affordability, unemployment, sanctions, unity and resilience during wartime. He did not describe the circumstances of the meeting or reveal what Ayatollah Khamenei had said. War Plan For weeks, the political leaders and generals running Iran have debated two ways to break the stalemate with the United States, officials said. Under one approach, Iran could seek to return to negotiations. Under the other, it would escalate attacks on American targets, aiming to strike naval vessels, kill American troops and raise global oil prices. Both would aim to end the U.S. naval blockade on Iran’s southern ports, which have paralyzed trade and brought oil sales down to zero, according to officials. Iran’s economy is deteriorating, with the currency plunging daily, inflation soaring and the government facing a cash deficit. Hard-line generals, including Brig. Gen. Seyyed Majid Mousavi, who commands the Guards’ Aerospace Force, pressed for confrontation, officials and two Guards members said. The generals told the National Security Council they had devised a detailed war plan in which Iran and allied militias, in particular the Houthis in Yemen and armed Shiite Muslim groups in Iraqi, would intensify attacks, including on regional oil facilities, further widening the scope of the war and raising its costs for the United States and its allies. Mr. Pezeshkian and Gen. Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, who is the speaker of Parliament and the top negotiator with the United States, were among the officials who warned that the war plan risked dragging the country into an abyss, with even fiercer U.S. airstrikes and more crippling economic pressure. But by last Saturday, the hard-line faction had gained the upper hand. “The war between Iran and the United States,” said Mahdi Mohammadi, the top adviser to General Ghalibaf, “has entered the phase of escalation.” Farnaz Fassihi is the United Nations bureau chief for The Times, leading coverage of the organization. She also covers Iran and has written about conflict in the Middle East for 15 years. |
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday
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Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: I was referring to Iran acquiring a nuke, which we’ve been hearing about for decades and there’s no evidence that they have one or have tried to build one. And yes, I read the other thread about UBL and how we failed to stop 9/11. Iran allowed international inspectors (IAEA) to monitor their program. Israel picked up intelligence that a clandestine location had been enriching uranium to weapons grade levels. They inspected the site and detected remnants of highly enriched uranium. Iran then refused all subsequent inspections and kicked them out of the country. There is little/no doubt that Iran's ultimate goal is development of a bomb. |
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Originally Posted By kpacman: Iran allowed international inspectors (IAEA) to monitor their program. Israel picked up intelligence that a clandestine location had been enriching uranium to weapons grade levels. They inspected the site and detected remnants of highly enriched uranium. Iran then refused all subsequent inspections and kicked them out of the country. There is little/no doubt that Iran's ultimate goal is development of a bomb. Originally Posted By kpacman: Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: I was referring to Iran acquiring a nuke, which we’ve been hearing about for decades and there’s no evidence that they have one or have tried to build one. And yes, I read the other thread about UBL and how we failed to stop 9/11. Iran allowed international inspectors (IAEA) to monitor their program. Israel picked up intelligence that a clandestine location had been enriching uranium to weapons grade levels. They inspected the site and detected remnants of highly enriched uranium. Iran then refused all subsequent inspections and kicked them out of the country. There is little/no doubt that Iran's ultimate goal is development of a bomb. Yet there are people here who can’t wrap their head around that. The only issue I have is the pussyfooting and the ME countries expecting us to do all the work. At the end of the day THEY would be the ones most impacted by a nuclear Iran…..in practical terms……economically the whole world would be head hostage for the long term. Yet idiots can’t see past “Muh gas isn’t cheap as promised” “Orange man bad”. If Iran obtained a Nuke whether they used it or not our gas prices would be $7.00 a gallon and much of the world that relied more heavily on oil from the Middle East would fair far worse as Iran would threaten everyone and the SOH would be totally shut down. We need to finish Iran once and for all |
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Originally Posted By kpacman: Iran allowed international inspectors (IAEA) to monitor their program. Israel picked up intelligence that a clandestine location had been enriching uranium to weapons grade levels. They inspected the site and detected remnants of highly enriched uranium. Iran then refused all subsequent inspections and kicked them out of the country. There is little/no doubt that Iran's ultimate goal is development of a bomb. Originally Posted By kpacman: Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: I was referring to Iran acquiring a nuke, which we’ve been hearing about for decades and there’s no evidence that they have one or have tried to build one. And yes, I read the other thread about UBL and how we failed to stop 9/11. Iran allowed international inspectors (IAEA) to monitor their program. Israel picked up intelligence that a clandestine location had been enriching uranium to weapons grade levels. They inspected the site and detected remnants of highly enriched uranium. Iran then refused all subsequent inspections and kicked them out of the country. There is little/no doubt that Iran's ultimate goal is development of a bomb. I think most people in the west simply can't imagine, can't believe, a situation where Iran would nuke somebody on purpose. It's insanity. People who believe Iran is going to do it are seen as radical right or kind of loony. Nobody could believe Japan would do it. Nobody could believe Germany would do it. Bin laden, etc. (Ok, we believe that one now.) |
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Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: We didn’t stop any other country from acquiring a nuke(s) why would stop Iran? Originally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: Originally Posted By garr: When the Death Cult 12ers in Iran were stopped from building a Nuke & destroying any American city. If these lunatics got a nuke & smuggled into any US or any 1st world port, the world would be fucked for a very long time (even though Iran would immediately be turned to ashes). Trump sees this & wants it stopped! We didn’t stop any other country from acquiring a nuke(s) why would stop Iran? Iran wants to destroy "The Great Satan and Zionism" (US, Israel, and anybody else that doesn't like their brand of crazy.) They believe that doing so will bring their 12th Imam to life, sort of the "Rapture" for Iranian religion-as-a-state. ( AI )Summarized for you, this leaves out that them wanting the 12th Imam to return by destroying nations who are harshing their vibe. The 12th Imam is a central figure in Iran's state religion — Twelver Shia Islam — and his expected return shapes both theology and politics there. Who he is Muhammad al-Mahdi (born 869 CE in Samarra, Iraq), also called the Mahdi ("the guided one") ??. He's the twelfth in the line of Imams whom Shia Muslims believe were the divinely appointed successors to the Prophet Muhammad, beginning with Ali ?. Twelvers believe that as a child (around age 5, in 874 CE), he went into "Occultation" (ghayba) — hidden by God from humanity ??. What "occultation" means Minor Occultation (874–941 CE): he communicated with followers through four successive emissaries. Major Occultation (941 CE to present): no emissaries; he remains hidden but alive, in a prolonged existence until the end times. Shia tradition holds he will return as the Mahdi alongside Jesus to establish justice and rid the world of tyranny and oppression ?. Why it matters in Iranian politics Iran's official religion is Twelver Shiism, so the state's entire legitimacy narrative ties into this belief. Ayatollah Khomeini's doctrine of velayat-e faqih ("guardianship of the jurist") argues that during the Imam's absence, senior clerics must govern on his behalf — that's the theological basis for the Supreme Leader's authority ?. The Islamic Republic frames its revolution and policies as preparing the ground for the Mahdi's return; some hardliners describe the state as a "government of the Imam." This feeds apocalyptic rhetoric around foreign policy: President Ahmadinejad famously prayed for the Mahdi's reappearance at the UN in 2005, and official messaging often casts Iran's struggles as a prelude to his coming ?. In short: for Iran's rulers, the 12th Imam isn't a historical curiosity — he's the absent rightful ruler whose return the Islamic Republic claims to serve and anticipate. |
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
@michigan66 posted this yesterday:
And I read about this today: A Chinese Satellite Suddenly Shattered in Orbit A Chinese reconnaissance satellite has broken apart in a rare high-altitude orbit, creating dozens of tracked debris fragments that may remain around Earth for centuries, according to reports from Gizmodo and orbital tracking experts. The failure of Yaogan-50 (02) has added a new debris field to one of the more difficult regions of space to manage. The fragments are now traveling in a highly retrograde orbit, a path that moves against the direction of Earth’s rotation and creates challenging conditions for future spacecraft operations. The Yaogan-50 (02) satellite launched on March 15, 2026, aboard a Long March 6A rocket and reached its planned operational orbit at an altitude of about 590 miles (952 kilometers) above Earth. The spacecraft was part of China’s Yaogan-50 series, a group of remote-sensing satellites officially described as platforms for land surveys, agricultural monitoring, and disaster response. According to orbital analyst Jonathan McDowell, the U.S. Space Force cataloged 43 debris objects linked to the satellite breakup on September 4. The cause of the event remains unknown, leaving several possible explanations, including a propulsion system failure, battery-related malfunction, or a collision involving another object. The fragments remain concentrated near the original orbital path of the spacecraft, which has an inclination of 142 degrees. This highly unusual orbit places the debris in a region where tracking and collision avoidance become more complex because spacecraft moving in opposite directions can experience extremely high-speed encounters. The incident highlights the growing challenge of managing Earth’s increasingly crowded orbital environment. Every fragmentation event adds new objects that must be monitored, creating additional pressure on operators of active satellites. Doesn't get into why of the 18,000 active satellites on orbit right now, a Chinese surveillance satellite just happened to be the one to break up. Pure coincidence, I'm sure..... |
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." - Thomas Paine
I know the voices aren't real, but MAN do they have some good ideas!
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Originally Posted By limaxray: @michigan66 posted this yesterday:
And I read about this today: A Chinese Satellite Suddenly Shattered in Orbit Doesn't get into why of the 18,000 active satellites on orbit right now, a Chinese surveillance satellite just happened to be the one to break up. Pure coincidence, I'm sure..... Pretty funny |
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday
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Originally Posted By limaxray: @michigan66 posted this yesterday:
And I read about this today: A Chinese Satellite Suddenly Shattered in Orbit Doesn't get into why of the 18,000 active satellites on orbit right now, a Chinese surveillance satellite just happened to be the one to break up. Pure coincidence, I'm sure..... Originally Posted By limaxray: @michigan66 posted this yesterday:
And I read about this today: A Chinese Satellite Suddenly Shattered in Orbit A Chinese reconnaissance satellite has broken apart in a rare high-altitude orbit, creating dozens of tracked debris fragments that may remain around Earth for centuries, according to reports from Gizmodo and orbital tracking experts. The failure of Yaogan-50 (02) has added a new debris field to one of the more difficult regions of space to manage. The fragments are now traveling in a highly retrograde orbit, a path that moves against the direction of Earth’s rotation and creates challenging conditions for future spacecraft operations. The Yaogan-50 (02) satellite launched on March 15, 2026, aboard a Long March 6A rocket and reached its planned operational orbit at an altitude of about 590 miles (952 kilometers) above Earth. The spacecraft was part of China’s Yaogan-50 series, a group of remote-sensing satellites officially described as platforms for land surveys, agricultural monitoring, and disaster response. According to orbital analyst Jonathan McDowell, the U.S. Space Force cataloged 43 debris objects linked to the satellite breakup on September 4. The cause of the event remains unknown, leaving several possible explanations, including a propulsion system failure, battery-related malfunction, or a collision involving another object. The fragments remain concentrated near the original orbital path of the spacecraft, which has an inclination of 142 degrees. This highly unusual orbit places the debris in a region where tracking and collision avoidance become more complex because spacecraft moving in opposite directions can experience extremely high-speed encounters. The incident highlights the growing challenge of managing Earth’s increasingly crowded orbital environment. Every fragmentation event adds new objects that must be monitored, creating additional pressure on operators of active satellites. Doesn't get into why of the 18,000 active satellites on orbit right now, a Chinese surveillance satellite just happened to be the one to break up. Pure coincidence, I'm sure..... That’s odd |
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Originally Posted By limaxray: @michigan66 posted this yesterday:
And I read about this today: A Chinese Satellite Suddenly Shattered in Orbit Doesn't get into why of the 18,000 active satellites on orbit right now, a Chinese surveillance satellite just happened to be the one to break up. Pure coincidence, I'm sure..... Originally Posted By limaxray: @michigan66 posted this yesterday:
And I read about this today: A Chinese Satellite Suddenly Shattered in Orbit A Chinese reconnaissance satellite has broken apart in a rare high-altitude orbit, creating dozens of tracked debris fragments that may remain around Earth for centuries, according to reports from Gizmodo and orbital tracking experts. The failure of Yaogan-50 (02) has added a new debris field to one of the more difficult regions of space to manage. The fragments are now traveling in a highly retrograde orbit, a path that moves against the direction of Earth’s rotation and creates challenging conditions for future spacecraft operations. The Yaogan-50 (02) satellite launched on March 15, 2026, aboard a Long March 6A rocket and reached its planned operational orbit at an altitude of about 590 miles (952 kilometers) above Earth. The spacecraft was part of China’s Yaogan-50 series, a group of remote-sensing satellites officially described as platforms for land surveys, agricultural monitoring, and disaster response. According to orbital analyst Jonathan McDowell, the U.S. Space Force cataloged 43 debris objects linked to the satellite breakup on September 4. The cause of the event remains unknown, leaving several possible explanations, including a propulsion system failure, battery-related malfunction, or a collision involving another object. The fragments remain concentrated near the original orbital path of the spacecraft, which has an inclination of 142 degrees. This highly unusual orbit places the debris in a region where tracking and collision avoidance become more complex because spacecraft moving in opposite directions can experience extremely high-speed encounters. The incident highlights the growing challenge of managing Earth’s increasingly crowded orbital environment. Every fragmentation event adds new objects that must be monitored, creating additional pressure on operators of active satellites. Doesn't get into why of the 18,000 active satellites on orbit right now, a Chinese surveillance satellite just happened to be the one to break up. Pure coincidence, I'm sure..... We currently have robot battles on the front lines of Ukraine. How far are we from satelite battles? I expect hacking is the first weapon and maybe the reason why that satellite just fell apart. |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: We currently have robot battles on the front lines of Ukraine. How far are we from satelite battles? I expect hacking is the first weapon and maybe the reason why that satellite just fell apart. There is a lot junk just up there zipping around at mach fuck. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Gonna need a box of pig mats for that mess. Scrolled Saw picture...that doesn't look bad... Scrolled OOHHHH, that was the before picture... second one is much worse. |
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Originally Posted By limaxray: @michigan66 posted this yesterday:
And I read about this today: A Chinese Satellite Suddenly Shattered in Orbit Doesn't get into why of the 18,000 active satellites on orbit right now, a Chinese surveillance satellite just happened to be the one to break up. Pure coincidence, I'm sure..... Good Should stay out of the ordeal |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: We currently have robot battles on the front lines of Ukraine. How far are we from satelite battles? I expect hacking is the first weapon and maybe the reason why that satellite just fell apart. I don't think it would be all that hard to put some sort of weapon on it to take out the opposing sat but up until now its eavesdropping signals. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: I'm no master of orbital mechanics, but to have one "shatter" seems like it might take more than hacking. I could see getting one to burn back in through the atmosphere....but on orbit, just coming apart? I feel like an outside influence would be required. There is a lot junk just up there zipping around at mach fuck. Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By stone-age: We currently have robot battles on the front lines of Ukraine. How far are we from satelite battles? I expect hacking is the first weapon and maybe the reason why that satellite just fell apart. There is a lot junk just up there zipping around at mach fuck. If I was in charge of anything I would have already put into orbit a bunch of small missiles disguised as rocks, or rocks modified to have propulsion just waiting for in case they are needed. It doesn't take much to get something going real fast in that vacuum. |
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Originally Posted By theskuh: If you count espionage we have been there for a while. There are sats that orbit close to others to intercept signals https://www.slingshot.space/news/russian-luch-olymp-2-satellite-approaching-multiple-geo-spacecraft I don't think it would be all that hard to put some sort of weapon on it to take out the opposing sat but up until now its eavesdropping signals. Originally Posted By theskuh: Originally Posted By stone-age: We currently have robot battles on the front lines of Ukraine. How far are we from satelite battles? I expect hacking is the first weapon and maybe the reason why that satellite just fell apart. I don't think it would be all that hard to put some sort of weapon on it to take out the opposing sat but up until now its eavesdropping signals. I guess I never thought of satellites listening to the signals of other satellites. "Spy satellites." I always thought that term meant something else. |
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Originally Posted By staringback05: Good Should stay out of the ordeal Sometimes "accidents" happen, especially when China starts helping the people we are fighting. Almost like it's a pattern. We aren't quite to enemy action yet, this is the "happenstance" phase. |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: If I was in charge of anything I would have already put into orbit a bunch of small missiles disguised as rocks, or rocks modified to have propulsion just waiting for in case they are needed. It doesn't take much to get something going real fast in that vacuum. It's called the X-37......I'll get it right one of these times.... |
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Originally Posted By xd341: We seriously do have a mini space shuttle owned by the Air Force or maybe Space force now, that goes up for a year+ at a time. Floats around looking at other nations space assets, among who knows what else. Could be just a highly taskable intelligence platform, could be more. We don't know. But amateur astronomers occasionally see it in close proximity to other things on orbit. It's called the X-37......I'll get it right one of these times.... Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By stone-age: If I was in charge of anything I would have already put into orbit a bunch of small missiles disguised as rocks, or rocks modified to have propulsion just waiting for in case they are needed. It doesn't take much to get something going real fast in that vacuum. It's called the X-37......I'll get it right one of these times.... I’ve heard of the space station needing a replacement part that just so happens the Air Force, at that time, happened to be the only place to find one. |
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Originally Posted By APPARITION: I've heard of the space station needing a replacement part that just so happens the Air Force, at that time, happened to be the only place to find one. Science has always been linked to military projects as a secondary mission and cover. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: I'm no master of orbital mechanics, but to have one "shatter" seems like it might take more than hacking. I could see getting one to burn back in through the atmosphere....but on orbit, just coming apart? I feel like an outside influence would be required. There is a lot junk just up there zipping around at mach fuck. "Offensive counterspace" has been a concept for decades, but up until recently it was decidedly more passive (jamming, etc.), though at low altitudes we were able to use THAAD. Did it once just to say "Hey, China, look what we can do!" Getting kinetic at that altitude, well, that's new. (ETA: It was at 953km/600 miles, the upper LEO band. Most LEO satellites are around 500-600km. The ISS is at around 340km.) Also just occurred to me--looks like Space Force just earned their spurs as a service. |
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." - Thomas Paine
I know the voices aren't real, but MAN do they have some good ideas!
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Originally Posted By xd341: Space is a military asset, always has been. The space shuttle was intended to be a road side service truck for military satellites. The irony was that one of the few times it actually did that mission was to repair the hubble mirror, which was actually just a repurposed spy satellite pointing out instead of in. The mirror was originally a spare .for a KH-11. Which look a lot like the hubble. Science has always been linked to military projects as a secondary mission and cover. He who controls the high ground… |
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Originally Posted By limaxray: "Offensive counterspace" has been a concept for decades, but up until recently it was decidedly more passive (jamming, etc.), though at low altitudes we were able to use THAAD. Did it once just to say "Hey, China, look what we can do!" Getting kinetic at that altitude, well, that's new. (ETA: It was at 953km/600 miles, the upper LEO band. Most LEO satellites are around 500-600km. The ISS is at around 340km.) Also just occurred to me--looks like Space Force just earned their spurs as a service. |
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