[ARCHIVED THREAD] - I recently examined and tested an Arizona Regulator three position FRT (Page 8 of 8)
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Quoted: That's a good question. I don't think it is, but maybe someone better informed and experiencing the issue can figure it out. My trigger that's experiencing it hasn't been tested since it was swapped to another firearm. Quoted: Quoted: So is the bursts hammer follow? That's a good question. I don't think it is, but maybe someone better informed and experiencing the issue can figure it out. My trigger that's experiencing it hasn't been tested since it was swapped to another firearm. No. The system is hard on the various parts, whacking them around. The fact it needs an A2 buffer means the strike force of a BCG and Carbine buffer with a full spring, isn't enough to reliably slam everything where it needs to be. What that means is your various parts get peened. From the detent, to the tail of the trigger that gets whacked, to the hammer and trigger and secondary sear. For the people who are getting semi-auto burst fire, that's a combination of their trigger tail being peened, but also you can get hammer sear wear and peaning, fairly quickly, resulting in binary fire as well. People act like the Super Safety's are Just as good. I'm not so sure. maybe not so much vs the trigger cassette systems like the Rare Breed. Some people make the Super Safety's work, partly because they only have run a few rounds through them, it takes several hundred for these things to show up. And partly because their system just works well enough the issues haven't shown up yet. But there's a reason you can buy detent packs and other replacement parts. Usage of these things is hard on the parts and your trigger parts. And they do break and wear and cause weird stuff like this from the peening and dimension changes. Then again, for $100 for basically legal-full-auto; there you go. But would I consider a SS an honest replacement for a harm's way duty usage Full-auto trigger? Not a chance, not right now at least. Maybe the rare-breed cassette system is better. |
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Quoted: What kind of barrels are we using for these? I'm trying to decide if I want 3 or 4 cheap barrels I can swap out when needed. I'm just planning on using something no more than $85 because of the purpose  You really want to go for value. My "Squad Automatic" build went with Ballistic Advantage, with a heavy profile. It's .750 from the gas block forward, and .875 behind the gas journal. The barrel was in the 160 dollar range, I think. 18" to maintain good velocity. With a squad automatic, you're accepting a reduction in mobility. you shouldn't be planning to kick down doors with this. It's meant to put firepower on a target from a stable position, and it shines as a defensive weapon against light vehicles at medium range. Also, the rifle length gas substantially smooths out the recoil. I can easily keep bursts near targets at extreme 5.56 range.  " /> " />
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Quoted: You really want to go for value. My "Squad Automatic" build went with Ballistic Advantage, with a heavy profile. It's .750 from the gas block forward, and .875 behind the gas journal. The barrel was in the 160 dollar range, I think. 18" to maintain good velocity. With a squad automatic, you're accepting a reduction in mobility. you shouldn't be planning to kick down doors with this. It's meant to put firepower on a target from a stable position, and it shines as a defensive weapon against light vehicles at medium range. Also, the rifle length gas substantially smooths out the recoil. I can easily keep bursts near targets at extreme 5.56 range. https://i.imgur.com/EsaoisH.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/EsaoisH.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/kTgC9uj.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/kTgC9uj.jpeg Quoted: Quoted: What kind of barrels are we using for these? I'm trying to decide if I want 3 or 4 cheap barrels I can swap out when needed. I'm just planning on using something no more than $85 because of the purpose You really want to go for value. My "Squad Automatic" build went with Ballistic Advantage, with a heavy profile. It's .750 from the gas block forward, and .875 behind the gas journal. The barrel was in the 160 dollar range, I think. 18" to maintain good velocity. With a squad automatic, you're accepting a reduction in mobility. you shouldn't be planning to kick down doors with this. It's meant to put firepower on a target from a stable position, and it shines as a defensive weapon against light vehicles at medium range. Also, the rifle length gas substantially smooths out the recoil. I can easily keep bursts near targets at extreme 5.56 range. https://i.imgur.com/EsaoisH.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/EsaoisH.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/kTgC9uj.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/kTgC9uj.jpeg that is a cool rifle. Thank you. |
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Quoted: No. The system is hard on the various parts, whacking them around. The fact it needs an A2 buffer means the strike force of a BCG and Carbine buffer with a full spring, isn't enough to reliably slam everything where it needs to be. What that means is your various parts get peened. From the detent, to the tail of the trigger that gets whacked, to the hammer and trigger and secondary sear. For the people who are getting semi-auto burst fire, that's a combination of their trigger tail being peened, but also you can get hammer sear wear and peaning, fairly quickly, resulting in binary fire as well. People act like the Super Safety's are Just as good. I'm not so sure. maybe not so much vs the trigger cassette systems like the Rare Breed. Some people make the Super Safety's work, partly because they only have run a few rounds through them, it takes several hundred for these things to show up. And partly because their system just works well enough the issues haven't shown up yet. But there's a reason you can buy detent packs and other replacement parts. Usage of these things is hard on the parts and your trigger parts. And they do break and wear and cause weird stuff like this from the peening and dimension changes. Then again, for $100 for basically legal-full-auto; there you go. But would I consider a SS an honest replacement for a harm's way duty usage Full-auto trigger? Not a chance, not right now at least. Maybe the rare-breed cassette system is better. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So is the bursts hammer follow? That's a good question. I don't think it is, but maybe someone better informed and experiencing the issue can figure it out. My trigger that's experiencing it hasn't been tested since it was swapped to another firearm. No. The system is hard on the various parts, whacking them around. The fact it needs an A2 buffer means the strike force of a BCG and Carbine buffer with a full spring, isn't enough to reliably slam everything where it needs to be. What that means is your various parts get peened. From the detent, to the tail of the trigger that gets whacked, to the hammer and trigger and secondary sear. For the people who are getting semi-auto burst fire, that's a combination of their trigger tail being peened, but also you can get hammer sear wear and peaning, fairly quickly, resulting in binary fire as well. People act like the Super Safety's are Just as good. I'm not so sure. maybe not so much vs the trigger cassette systems like the Rare Breed. Some people make the Super Safety's work, partly because they only have run a few rounds through them, it takes several hundred for these things to show up. And partly because their system just works well enough the issues haven't shown up yet. But there's a reason you can buy detent packs and other replacement parts. Usage of these things is hard on the parts and your trigger parts. And they do break and wear and cause weird stuff like this from the peening and dimension changes. Then again, for $100 for basically legal-full-auto; there you go. But would I consider a SS an honest replacement for a harm's way duty usage Full-auto trigger? Not a chance, not right now at least. Maybe the rare-breed cassette system is better. I actually think the super safety is better. Well, its held up better than my az 3pos. |
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Quoted: You really want to go for value. My "Squad Automatic" build went with Ballistic Advantage, with a heavy profile. It's .750 from the gas block forward, and .875 behind the gas journal. The barrel was in the 160 dollar range, I think. 18" to maintain good velocity. With a squad automatic, you're accepting a reduction in mobility. you shouldn't be planning to kick down doors with this. It's meant to put firepower on a target from a stable position, and it shines as a defensive weapon against light vehicles at medium range. Also, the rifle length gas substantially smooths out the recoil. I can easily keep bursts near targets at extreme 5.56 range. https://i.imgur.com/EsaoisH.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/EsaoisH.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/kTgC9uj.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/kTgC9uj.jpeg Quoted: Quoted: What kind of barrels are we using for these? I'm trying to decide if I want 3 or 4 cheap barrels I can swap out when needed. I'm just planning on using something no more than $85 because of the purpose You really want to go for value. My "Squad Automatic" build went with Ballistic Advantage, with a heavy profile. It's .750 from the gas block forward, and .875 behind the gas journal. The barrel was in the 160 dollar range, I think. 18" to maintain good velocity. With a squad automatic, you're accepting a reduction in mobility. you shouldn't be planning to kick down doors with this. It's meant to put firepower on a target from a stable position, and it shines as a defensive weapon against light vehicles at medium range. Also, the rifle length gas substantially smooths out the recoil. I can easily keep bursts near targets at extreme 5.56 range. https://i.imgur.com/EsaoisH.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/EsaoisH.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/kTgC9uj.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/kTgC9uj.jpeg Even with an 18" barrel and an adjustable stock you're more compact that m16a4s that we used to clear cities with. I think its blue jean operator that talks about the IAR as something that can perform as a gp rifle if needed. In a 2am context we really can't be as specialized as the military. We need to do GP thing most of the time and then go forced reset only if needed. Quite honestly a 20" a2/a4 is plenty handy for practically any scenario besides vehicle ops. |
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Quoted: No. The system is hard on the various parts, whacking them around. The fact it needs an A2 buffer means the strike force of a BCG and Carbine buffer with a full spring, isn't enough to reliably slam everything where it needs to be. What that means is your various parts get peened. From the detent, to the tail of the trigger that gets whacked, to the hammer and trigger and secondary sear. For the people who are getting semi-auto burst fire, that's a combination of their trigger tail being peened, but also you can get hammer sear wear and peaning, fairly quickly, resulting in binary fire as well. People act like the Super Safety's are Just as good. I'm not so sure. maybe not so much vs the trigger cassette systems like the Rare Breed. Some people make the Super Safety's work, partly because they only have run a few rounds through them, it takes several hundred for these things to show up. And partly because their system just works well enough the issues haven't shown up yet. But there's a reason you can buy detent packs and other replacement parts. Usage of these things is hard on the parts and your trigger parts. And they do break and wear and cause weird stuff like this from the peening and dimension changes. Then again, for $100 for basically legal-full-auto; there you go. But would I consider a SS an honest replacement for a harm's way duty usage Full-auto trigger? Not a chance, not right now at least. Maybe the rare-breed cassette system is better. Is this post an example of what you're talking about? |
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Quoted: Quoted: No. The system is hard on the various parts, whacking them around. The fact it needs an A2 buffer means the strike force of a BCG and Carbine buffer with a full spring, isn't enough to reliably slam everything where it needs to be. What that means is your various parts get peened. From the detent, to the tail of the trigger that gets whacked, to the hammer and trigger and secondary sear. For the people who are getting semi-auto burst fire, that's a combination of their trigger tail being peened, but also you can get hammer sear wear and peaning, fairly quickly, resulting in binary fire as well. People act like the Super Safety's are Just as good. I'm not so sure. maybe not so much vs the trigger cassette systems like the Rare Breed. Some people make the Super Safety's work, partly because they only have run a few rounds through them, it takes several hundred for these things to show up. And partly because their system just works well enough the issues haven't shown up yet. But there's a reason you can buy detent packs and other replacement parts. Usage of these things is hard on the parts and your trigger parts. And they do break and wear and cause weird stuff like this from the peening and dimension changes. Then again, for $100 for basically legal-full-auto; there you go. But would I consider a SS an honest replacement for a harm's way duty usage Full-auto trigger? Not a chance, not right now at least. Maybe the rare-breed cassette system is better. Is this post an example of what you're talking about? Those marks came back after the next firing trip, too. I moved the trigger to my M16A4-ish clone, since it's pretty much a range toy. |
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Quoted: Even with an 18" barrel and an adjustable stock you're more compact that m16a4s that we used to clear cities with. I think its blue jean operator that talks about the IAR as something that can perform as a gp rifle if needed. In a 2am context we really can't be as specialized as the military. We need to do GP thing most of the time and then go forced reset only if needed. Quite honestly a 20" a2/a4 is plenty handy for practically any scenario besides vehicle ops. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What kind of barrels are we using for these? I'm trying to decide if I want 3 or 4 cheap barrels I can swap out when needed. I'm just planning on using something no more than $85 because of the purpose You really want to go for value. My "Squad Automatic" build went with Ballistic Advantage, with a heavy profile. It's .750 from the gas block forward, and .875 behind the gas journal. The barrel was in the 160 dollar range, I think. 18" to maintain good velocity. With a squad automatic, you're accepting a reduction in mobility. you shouldn't be planning to kick down doors with this. It's meant to put firepower on a target from a stable position, and it shines as a defensive weapon against light vehicles at medium range. Also, the rifle length gas substantially smooths out the recoil. I can easily keep bursts near targets at extreme 5.56 range. https://i.imgur.com/EsaoisH.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/EsaoisH.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/kTgC9uj.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/kTgC9uj.jpeg Even with an 18" barrel and an adjustable stock you're more compact that m16a4s that we used to clear cities with. I think its blue jean operator that talks about the IAR as something that can perform as a gp rifle if needed. In a 2am context we really can't be as specialized as the military. We need to do GP thing most of the time and then go forced reset only if needed. Quite honestly a 20" a2/a4 is plenty handy for practically any scenario besides vehicle ops. That's certainly true, I'm just making a point about firepower vs mobility. The gun I posted, as configured, with a full 60 rounder, weighs 13.6 pounds. Suboptimal for door kicking. |
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Quoted: That's certainly true, I'm just making a point about firepower vs mobility. The gun I posted, as configured, with a full 60 rounder, weighs 13.6 pounds. Suboptimal for door kicking. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What kind of barrels are we using for these? I'm trying to decide if I want 3 or 4 cheap barrels I can swap out when needed. I'm just planning on using something no more than $85 because of the purpose You really want to go for value. My "Squad Automatic" build went with Ballistic Advantage, with a heavy profile. It's .750 from the gas block forward, and .875 behind the gas journal. The barrel was in the 160 dollar range, I think. 18" to maintain good velocity. With a squad automatic, you're accepting a reduction in mobility. you shouldn't be planning to kick down doors with this. It's meant to put firepower on a target from a stable position, and it shines as a defensive weapon against light vehicles at medium range. Also, the rifle length gas substantially smooths out the recoil. I can easily keep bursts near targets at extreme 5.56 range. https://i.imgur.com/EsaoisH.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/EsaoisH.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/kTgC9uj.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/kTgC9uj.jpeg Even with an 18" barrel and an adjustable stock you're more compact that m16a4s that we used to clear cities with. I think its blue jean operator that talks about the IAR as something that can perform as a gp rifle if needed. In a 2am context we really can't be as specialized as the military. We need to do GP thing most of the time and then go forced reset only if needed. Quite honestly a 20" a2/a4 is plenty handy for practically any scenario besides vehicle ops. That's certainly true, I'm just making a point about firepower vs mobility. The gun I posted, as configured, with a full 60 rounder, weighs 13.6 pounds. Suboptimal for door kicking. Lighter than the SAW I carried
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Quoted: Lighter than the SAW I carried Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What kind of barrels are we using for these? I'm trying to decide if I want 3 or 4 cheap barrels I can swap out when needed. I'm just planning on using something no more than $85 because of the purpose You really want to go for value. My "Squad Automatic" build went with Ballistic Advantage, with a heavy profile. It's .750 from the gas block forward, and .875 behind the gas journal. The barrel was in the 160 dollar range, I think. 18" to maintain good velocity. With a squad automatic, you're accepting a reduction in mobility. you shouldn't be planning to kick down doors with this. It's meant to put firepower on a target from a stable position, and it shines as a defensive weapon against light vehicles at medium range. Also, the rifle length gas substantially smooths out the recoil. I can easily keep bursts near targets at extreme 5.56 range. https://i.imgur.com/EsaoisH.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/EsaoisH.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/kTgC9uj.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/kTgC9uj.jpeg Even with an 18" barrel and an adjustable stock you're more compact that m16a4s that we used to clear cities with. I think its blue jean operator that talks about the IAR as something that can perform as a gp rifle if needed. In a 2am context we really can't be as specialized as the military. We need to do GP thing most of the time and then go forced reset only if needed. Quite honestly a 20" a2/a4 is plenty handy for practically any scenario besides vehicle ops. That's certainly true, I'm just making a point about firepower vs mobility. The gun I posted, as configured, with a full 60 rounder, weighs 13.6 pounds. Suboptimal for door kicking. Lighter than the SAW I carried What was the barrel length on your SAW? Maybe one day I'll get into a belt fed, and indeed it's cheaper and more FRRRRRRRTy than ever, but that's still a ways off. Fuck, a 14.5 belt fed upper with an RC2........... Fuck me. I'll be in my bunk. |
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Quoted: Lighter than the SAW I carried Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What kind of barrels are we using for these? I'm trying to decide if I want 3 or 4 cheap barrels I can swap out when needed. I'm just planning on using something no more than $85 because of the purpose You really want to go for value. My "Squad Automatic" build went with Ballistic Advantage, with a heavy profile. It's .750 from the gas block forward, and .875 behind the gas journal. The barrel was in the 160 dollar range, I think. 18" to maintain good velocity. With a squad automatic, you're accepting a reduction in mobility. you shouldn't be planning to kick down doors with this. It's meant to put firepower on a target from a stable position, and it shines as a defensive weapon against light vehicles at medium range. Also, the rifle length gas substantially smooths out the recoil. I can easily keep bursts near targets at extreme 5.56 range. https://i.imgur.com/EsaoisH.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/EsaoisH.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/kTgC9uj.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/kTgC9uj.jpeg Even with an 18" barrel and an adjustable stock you're more compact that m16a4s that we used to clear cities with. I think its blue jean operator that talks about the IAR as something that can perform as a gp rifle if needed. In a 2am context we really can't be as specialized as the military. We need to do GP thing most of the time and then go forced reset only if needed. Quite honestly a 20" a2/a4 is plenty handy for practically any scenario besides vehicle ops. That's certainly true, I'm just making a point about firepower vs mobility. The gun I posted, as configured, with a full 60 rounder, weighs 13.6 pounds. Suboptimal for door kicking. Lighter than the SAW I carried Also... would you sometimes just sort of sweep the whole room through the door on full auto? |
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Quoted: What was the barrel length on your SAW? Maybe one day I'll get into a belt fed, and indeed it's cheaper and more FRRRRRRRTy than ever, but that's still a ways off. Fuck, a 14.5 belt fed upper with an RC2........... Fuck me. I'll be in my bunk. Quoted: Also... would you sometimes just sort of sweep the whole room through the door on full auto? 18" iirc Not really. If we thought someone was in there we'd toss a frag. I had shot through a door but it was because we were already engage. I never shot blindly through a door |
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Quoted: New batch of 3 position AZRs coming out tonight at 6:45 Arizona time, which I guess is Pacific time right now? Fuck off, Arizona. Just be normal. |
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Fwiw Benelli m4 with stock in middle position M4a1/14.5" barrel and yhm srx mount k rb. M16a4 16" carbine with a griffin otb with psr7 Attached File |
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Quoted: How about the rest of the country fuck off with that spring forward fall back bullshit? Quoted: Quoted: New batch of 3 position AZRs coming out tonight at 6:45 Arizona time, which I guess is Pacific time right now? Fuck off, Arizona. Just be normal. Attached File |
Its sad but true, none for you.  I had it in my cart, entering some of my address info and tried to checkout, and it came back saying Sorry, we can't complete your checkout. It looks like the following product(s) are no longer available: AZR-15A1. Please remove these item(s) from your cart to continue with your order. SO maybe only had 3 on hand. 
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Quoted: Its sad but true, none for you. I had it in my cart, entering some of my address info and tried to checkout, and it came back saying Sorry, we can't complete your checkout. It looks like the following product(s) are no longer available: AZR-15A1. Please remove these item(s) from your cart to continue with your order. SO maybe only had 3 on hand. Same here, I timed it - they were available for less than 2 minutes. |
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Quoted: How about the rest of the country fuck off with that spring forward fall back bullshit? Quoted: Quoted: New batch of 3 position AZRs coming out tonight at 6:45 Arizona time, which I guess is Pacific time right now? Fuck off, Arizona. Just be normal. Attached File |
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Quoted: What kind of barrels are we using for these? I'm trying to decide if I want 3 or 4 cheap barrels I can swap out when needed. I'm just planning on using something no more than $85 because of the purpose I have a HBAR i bought years ago before FRTs. Then I realized after what was I ever going to do with a heavy barrel. 
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Quoted: Its actually really good in my M16A4 Quoted: Quoted: Has anybody attempted a basic trigger job to improve the pull on their AZR 3P? Its actually really good in my M16A4 Yeah, mine is pretty decent. Not as good as one with a trigger job, but better than my issued rifles' triggers. |