I’m getting the itch for an MP5 or clone. Help. (Page 2 of 3)
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My Scorpion Evo S1 was my favorite gun to shoot, but it didn't do as well suppressed as I had hoped (bad port pop). I decided to buy an AP5 Navy, installed the Magpul collapsible stock, moved the suppressor over and now have a new favorite. The Scorpion will be on the table next month at the local swap meet... I like the look of the full size more do than the K and in my reading the full size seems to have less reliability concerns. So that's my vote for you. |
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Originally Posted By eurotrash: If you can only shoot one at a time, wouldn’t you want a fewer number of high quality guns versus a greater number of lower quality guns? Originally Posted By eurotrash: If you can only shoot one at a time, wouldn’t you want a fewer number of high quality guns versus a greater number of lower quality guns?  Because this is correct: Originally Posted By Southernman077: MKE had a license from HK to make the guns, and they have been making them for a long time. The MKE guns even have the correct 2 pin lowers, unlike the HK. |
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Originally Posted By BB: The Stribog SP9A3 is everything the MP5 wishes it could be. I don't think so. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/What-s-the-most-fun-9mm-sbr-suppressor-host-/5-2859296/?#i117664171 The Stribog certainly has modern controls and an automatic BHO, which are nice features to have! My MP5/40 has an automatic BHO as well.  I just shoot my 9mm models way more often. |
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Originally Posted By Skopsko07734: Buy an HKSP5; you can buy a clone but you'll wish you had bought an HK. I has a HK94,, sold it years ado. Bought an MKE AP5 full size clone. No regrets. The welds even look better than my 94. I wouldn't get the AP5-P though. I know a few people that have had issues with those |
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Originally Posted By Skopsko07734: Buy an HKSP5; you can buy a clone but you'll wish you had bought an HK. Pdetty much this ^^^ I went with the full size SP5 ne regurts and other then the swap out to the leelower and SS didn't need to change anything to make it run. The extra money you spend no the HK is more money saved in headaches alone. |
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I just bought the HK SP5, HK collapsable stock, and RB FRT. Bought some HK oem mags too. It’s sbr’d. It is a range toy, but it may be the most fun range toy I’ve ever had. I’m up to 600ish rounds through it mostly suppressed. It’s a dream to shoot. It all cost a lot, and I have zero regerts.
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I have an HK SP5 k and an MKE AP5P, if you want to run a RB I suggest the MKE due to the front pin keeping the trigger housing tighter, with the factory trigger pack in the HK the housing is tight, with the RB and no front pin the housing is quite loose where the MKE housing is nice and tight. The MKE runs 165s more reliably too vs the HK but the SP5k is still new and I spent $3k to find this out. |
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Mine is a MAC K clone, but I still love it! I was fine going with a clone since it's always going to be a range toy to me. Pretty much 100% reliable as long as i stick with round nose or jhps. Doesn't like flat nose 147's as much. Still does pretty well with flat nose, but I get the odd jam every 4 or 5 mags (works fine with the 2 or 3 mags of 147gr hst's I put through it though). Once I finish the couple of cases I have left of the flat nose I'll be sticking with regular fmj's. Only downside to it is all the money I've spent feeding it since I got my frt. It is EVERYONE'S favorite gun at the range though.  Attached File |
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Originally Posted By chase45: My MP5K with a RB and a 80 degree piece suppressed with a 147gr is clocking 800 to 850 says some app I uploaded a video to Basically feels the same as mp5/sd. But I havent directly measured them with the same app Throw back in the 110 piece and Im sure itll uptick But those super safety vids seems to have something else going on. Got to be an advanced timing thing as they are in the 1200+ RPM territory based on vids That’s well beyond my scope of experience with the platform but encouraging for me to leave it at 80 or 100 degrees for the locking piece. Which mags are generally the most reliable? |
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Originally Posted By Lancelot: MKE full size for the win. Mine has been flawless. Clean it, lube it, use good magazines. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/668/IMG_9361-3814233.jpg @Lancelot In your experience which magazines are “good”? I see various types, MKE seem available for a reasonable price. |
You see that head come apart?
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Originally Posted By Ruin: That’s well beyond my scope of experience with the platform but encouraging for me to leave it at 80 or 100 degrees for the locking piece. Which mags are generally the most reliable? Originally Posted By Ruin: Originally Posted By chase45: My MP5K with a RB and a 80 degree piece suppressed with a 147gr is clocking 800 to 850 says some app I uploaded a video to Basically feels the same as mp5/sd. But I havent directly measured them with the same app Throw back in the 110 piece and Im sure itll uptick But those super safety vids seems to have something else going on. Got to be an advanced timing thing as they are in the 1200+ RPM territory based on vids That’s well beyond my scope of experience with the platform but encouraging for me to leave it at 80 or 100 degrees for the locking piece. Which mags are generally the most reliable? I bought 20 HK 30rd for my two MKEs. |
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Originally Posted By Ruin: @Lancelot In your experience which magazines are "good"? I see various types, MKE seem available for a reasonable price. Originally Posted By Ruin: Originally Posted By Lancelot: MKE full size for the win. Mine has been flawless. Clean it, lube it, use good magazines. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/668/IMG_9361-3814233.jpg @Lancelot In your experience which magazines are "good"? I see various types, MKE seem available for a reasonable price. HK Mora Ive had feeding issues with ETS.i hear good things about Overwatch Precision. |
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Originally Posted By BladedRonin: I want a K since SD isnt an easy or cheap option. This $1,340 SD clone ships with a K-PDW (3-lug & threaded) barrel installed, so you can just stick a suppressor on it if you want. https://atlanticfirearms.com/mkecentury-ap5-sd-pistol Or you can have the barrel swapped to an SD barrel and use a real SD suppressor. (Also would need to swap the locking piece, in that case.) |
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Originally Posted By Skopsko07734: Buy an HKSP5; you can buy a clone but you'll wish you had bought an HK. Originally Posted By Wubaru: Buy the real hk vs a clone. I made the mistake of getting an ap5-p and still can’t get it to work reliably. Just buy the hk. Originally Posted By 18B30: Cry once, buy once….HK Lol. My MKE works great and so do the 5 or 6 other guys I lnow with one. I would also be angry if I spent an extra $1000+ for a gun that doesnt do anything different than a $1200 gun. |
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Originally Posted By Wubaru: Buy the real hk vs a clone. I made the mistake of getting an ap5-p and still can’t get it to work reliably. Just buy the hk. I REALLY wanted an AP5 but after all the info out there about how to get it to run reliably, and my luck with getting unreliable guns, I decided I was still too poor to get into the MP5 game. |
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Originally Posted By southerncross: Lol. My MKE works great and so do the 5 or 6 other guys I lnow with one. I would also be angry if I spent an extra $1000+ for a gun that doesnt do anything different than a $1200 gun. Originally Posted By southerncross: Originally Posted By Skopsko07734: Buy an HKSP5; you can buy a clone but you'll wish you had bought an HK. Originally Posted By Wubaru: Buy the real hk vs a clone. I made the mistake of getting an ap5-p and still can’t get it to work reliably. Just buy the hk. Originally Posted By 18B30: Cry once, buy once….HK Lol. My MKE works great and so do the 5 or 6 other guys I lnow with one. I would also be angry if I spent an extra $1000+ for a gun that doesnt do anything different than a $1200 gun. The SP5 is around $3.3k now. |
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder: @BB I don't think so. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/What-s-the-most-fun-9mm-sbr-suppressor-host-/5-2859296/?#i117664171 The Stribog certainly has modern controls and an automatic BHO, which are nice features to have! My MP5/40 has an automatic BHO as well. I just shoot my 9mm models way more often. Originally Posted By KitBuilder: Originally Posted By BB: The Stribog SP9A3 is everything the MP5 wishes it could be. I don't think so. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/What-s-the-most-fun-9mm-sbr-suppressor-host-/5-2859296/?#i117664171 The Stribog certainly has modern controls and an automatic BHO, which are nice features to have! My MP5/40 has an automatic BHO as well. I just shoot my 9mm models way more often. I really wish someone would make an MP5 9mm with the /40 BHO and a magwell. |
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I had an early Zenith (MKE) full size. It would get a FTE about every 3rd mag. Frustrating since it was the most expensive gun I ever bought ($2186). I ended up selling it off. I had replaced the extractor and still had issues, but I never sent it off to Zenith TBF. I recently bought an AP5-P (MKE) and it has never malfunctioned. I like both, and I like the compactness of the K model, but I found the full size to be far more accurate. I will still probably buy another full size so that I can have both. I'm waiting on AS Designs to release the ARHK FRT before I go FRT with mine, I'm not giving RB money. |
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Originally Posted By BB: The Stribog SP9A3 is everything the MP5 wishes it could be. I think the MP5’s prefer to speak a little quieter? Attached File Attached File |
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I have an AP5 P that I SBR’d, threw an ASD ARc Fire lower on, swapped out the ejector, went to an 80 degree locking piece, and swapped the rollers to correct the headspace before I ever fired a shot through it. Over 5k rounds of over 90% suppressed fire with not one failure. I use the MKE mags and HK mags. The trip isn’t even showing too much wear. I keep it reasonably clean and heavily greased. |
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Originally Posted By Ruin: I have long hated MP5’s, now I kinda want one. I’ve got a lot of experience on a government MP5K but never shot the more common full size model. Do I want the 8.9” barrel model or the “K” model? I’m looking at the MKE (AP5) and the Hk SP5. I really don’t want to spend Hk money unless i genuinely need to. I’m ok with changing the locking piece and extractor. I’ll be keeping the gun in an FRT-friendly state so suitability to accept an FRT is a consideration. That said, encourage me and offer some insight, MP5 experts. Get the full size. Don't know why you'd need to ever change the locking piece. Right now HK has suspended production, so get the MKE. |
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Originally Posted By Southernman077: The SP5 is around $3.3k now. Originally Posted By Southernman077: Originally Posted By southerncross: Originally Posted By Skopsko07734: Buy an HKSP5; you can buy a clone but you'll wish you had bought an HK. Originally Posted By Wubaru: Buy the real hk vs a clone. I made the mistake of getting an ap5-p and still can’t get it to work reliably. Just buy the hk. Originally Posted By 18B30: Cry once, buy once….HK Lol. My MKE works great and so do the 5 or 6 other guys I lnow with one. I would also be angry if I spent an extra $1000+ for a gun that doesnt do anything different than a $1200 gun. The SP5 is around $3.3k now. Oh, well thats even worse. I havent looked in a long time because I suck and HK hates me. |
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Originally Posted By southerncross: To slow bolt speed if youre using a high backpressure can. If I could wrangle up a 70, I’d try it. Lol. Mine runs with my Wolfman and Strake 9 with an 80. She’s way fast though. Above pushing 1000 rpm using a shot measuring app. |
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder: @BladedRonin This $1,340 SD clone ships with a K-PDW (3-lug & threaded) barrel installed, so you can just stick a suppressor on it if you want. https://atlanticfirearms.com/mkecentury-ap5-sd-pistol Or you can have the barrel swapped to an SD barrel and use a real SD suppressor. (Also would need to swap the locking piece, in that case.) Thats cool, but not a true SD. Knowing the rate suppressor tech is going, Im sure someone has one in the works. |
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Originally Posted By southerncross: Lol. My MKE works great and so do the 5 or 6 other guys I lnow with one. I would also be angry if I spent an extra $1000+ for a gun that doesnt do anything different than a $1200 gun. Originally Posted By southerncross: Originally Posted By Skopsko07734: Buy an HKSP5; you can buy a clone but you'll wish you had bought an HK. Originally Posted By Wubaru: Buy the real hk vs a clone. I made the mistake of getting an ap5-p and still can’t get it to work reliably. Just buy the hk. Originally Posted By 18B30: Cry once, buy once….HK Lol. My MKE works great and so do the 5 or 6 other guys I lnow with one. I would also be angry if I spent an extra $1000+ for a gun that doesnt do anything different than a $1200 gun. My MKE AP5P, with FRT, runs 100% with 147 grain hollow points. I did install an HK ejector, extractor and spring. I use the steel MKE mags. I had bad luck with all the polymer ones. |
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Originally Posted By BladedRonin: Thats cool, but not a true SD. Knowing the rate suppressor tech is going, Im sure someone has one in the works. The way id do it for a sd can these days is to use your existing pistol can with an adapter. There is one out there currently for a few different cans I got a wolfman on my true SD currently. My TPM SD can is a tiny touch quieter when compared to the full size wolfman and adapter The wolfman in short with the adapter sounds great and takes the oal down a touch |
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Originally Posted By BladedRonin: Thats cool, but not a true SD. Knowing the rate suppressor tech is going, Im sure someone has one in the works. I bought the AP5-SD with the intent of sending it off for a ported barrel. Then I shot it with my PTR Vent 2 and 147gr ammo. I want to shoot it back to back with a real SD to confirm, but the action noise is louder than the shot. Its quiet as hell, and I dont have to do all the extra cleaning a ported SD requires. The new suppressor tech is damn good. Given that I am not forced to use govt supplied 124gr, I think using a good new suppressor like a Vent 2 or a Cat Mob with 147s completely takes away the need for an old school SD design. |
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Originally Posted By 18B30: Cry once, buy once….HK Pretty much that. You'll get the original and it will be trouble free. Or you can convince yourself they're not worth it, and spend a lot of time in forums discussing which parts you should switch out to get your clone to run reliably. I'm sure folks here will say theirs was great out of the box, but those threads are everywhere, and I don't recall ever seeing one started for an SP5. But I acknowledge that decision is tougher now that their prices have increased in the last year. That sucks. |
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Originally Posted By Saint_Peter: My MKE AP5P, with FRT, runs 100% with 147 grain hollow points. I did install an HK ejector, extractor and spring. Originally Posted By Saint_Peter: My MKE AP5P, with FRT, runs 100% with 147 grain hollow points. I did install an HK ejector, extractor and spring. Were you having cycling problems prior to doing that? Or you just felt like swapping them? I use the steel MKE mags. I had bad luck with all the polymer ones. 9mm MP5 mags are really too thin at the feed lips to be made of polymer. That's why Magpul won't make any (with the exception of their D50, which is single-feed, so that works fine). |
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Originally Posted By Skopsko07734: Buy an HKSP5; you can buy a clone but you'll wish you had bought an HK. This is the correct answer. |
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Originally Posted By scuba_steve: I'm sure folks here will say theirs was great out of the box, but those threads are everywhere, and I don't recall ever seeing one started for an SP5. I'm half convinced that's because 95% of SP5 owners probably spend more time online sneering down at "the poors" than they do shooting their guns. My full size AP5 was great out of the box. After several years of matches with it and at least 5,000 rounds through it (steel challenge, night vision run and guns, uspsa, etc) it finally started having failures to eject. I popped a new ejector lever in and its back to running like a top.  Steel Challenge Showdown with MKE AP5 I made M class in PCCI shooting my AP5 this year. I've hit one GM time with it so far.  The full size AP5 impressed me enough that I bought two more. No issues with them yet either, though not nearly the same number of rounds through them as the full size....probably closer to the number of rounds all the "SP5 or nothing" guys have through their perfect gun.  
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
| Do it. I have two, a AP5 and AP5P. I put 500 rds of 124 NATO spec ammo through both of them before making any changes or being suppressed, both did great. Both have YHM R9 suppressors, only thing I did was put a 90* locking piece in the ap5p and 100* in the fullsize, both run 100%. If I want to use flat nose ammo MKE mags will give some slight hiccups, but 100% with HK mags. It is a dated platform like you said, but its a lot of fun, and tbh still capable especially suppressed. |
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Originally Posted By jafrush: MKE has been excellent. FO https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/350579/IMG_9342_jpg-3831256.JPG I have a favor to ask ANYONE who has a full size with THIS particular type of folding brace (shown in quoted picture) Could you PLEASE take a tape measure and measure length of pull from the middle of the trigger face to the end of the but pad? thank you in advance. i have looked everywhere for what length of pull is on those things, and i've never found it. |
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