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6/5/2008 10:19:27 AM EDT
Had to deal with a kid last night who was huffing enddust
First huffer I have dealt with
6/5/2008 10:23:33 AM EDT
[#1]
We had a guy take out three power poles and knock out half of the city's power for about 6 hours and shut down HWY 101 for 7.5 hours in a dodge SUV.
6/5/2008 11:04:30 AM EDT
[#2]

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Had to deal with a kid last night who was huffing enddust
First huffer I have dealt with


ummmm. whats  enddust? I thought I was pretty familiar with modern drugs.

how did the encounter go?
6/5/2008 11:20:10 AM EDT
[#3]

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Had to deal with a kid last night who was huffing enddust
First huffer I have dealt with


ummmm. whats  enddust? Think Pledge I thought I was pretty familiar with modern drugs.

how did the encounter go?
 Fine, he was cooperative

6/5/2008 12:25:28 PM EDT
[#4]
One of the hardest fighters I had to deal with was a guy who was huffing Cox model airplane glue.

In fact, the fumes were so strong, by the time we got him cuffed, we were dizzy.  That's some down right mean shit!!
6/5/2008 5:34:55 PM EDT
[#5]

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Had to deal with a kid last night who was huffing enddust
First huffer I have dealt with


ummmm. whats  enddust? Think Pledge I thought I was pretty familiar with modern drugs.

how did the encounter go?
 Fine, he was cooperative

www.bettymills.com/store/images/product/JAN96291.JPG


are you freaking serious?

that doesnt get you "high" does it? just makes you stupid for a while? kills brain tissue to IIRC
6/6/2008 4:13:19 PM EDT
[#6]

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Had to deal with a kid last night who was huffing enddust
First huffer I have dealt with


ummmm. whats  enddust? Think Pledge I thought I was pretty familiar with modern drugs.

how did the encounter go?
 Fine, he was cooperative

www.bettymills.com/store/images/product/JAN96291.JPG


are you freaking serious?

that doesnt get you "high" does it? just makes you stupid for a while? kills brain tissue to IIRC


Very serious

The propellant in the aresol displaces oxygen and makes you hypoxic producing the "high"
Yes it kills brain cells (rather rapidly), though you have to be lacking some to try it anyways

If you think huffing that is bad, you obviously havent heard about the kids that are huffing fermented shit, yes human poop



In the book Children of AIDS: Africa's Orphan Crisis by Samba Pa Ti, the making of Jenkem is described, "fermented human sewage, scraped from pipes and stored in plastic bags for a week or so, until it gives off numbing, intoxicating fumes."[4] The process is similarly described in the 1995 IPS report, "Human excreta is scooped up from the edges of the sewer ponds in old cans and containers which are covered with a polyethylene bag and left to stew or ferment for a week."[5]. In the BBC 1999 article the process is described as, "...the dark brown sludge, gathering up fistfuls and stuffing it into small plastic bottles. They tap the bottles on the ground, taking care to leave enough room for methane to form at the top."[1]

The general concerns related to "huffing" and hallucinogenic drugs apply to Jenkem usage. The possibility of fecal-oral contamination due to lacking hygienic conditions during Jenkem manufacturing, which could lead to diarrhea and other gastrointestinal infections, must also be considered. Dr. Fumito Ichinose, an anesthesia specialist in Boston who conducted a study on the effects of hydrogen sulfide gas, or "sewer gas," on mice, informs Salon.com that "the inhalation of gases like those produced from Jenkem could result in hypoxia, a lack of oxygen flow to the body that could be alternately euphoric and physically dangerous."[2] It has been noted that Jenkem usage will leave a taste of sewage in the mouth lasting for several days.[6]

The effects of Jenkem inhalation last for around an hour and consist of auditory and visual hallucinations.[1] In 1995, a fifth-grader in Lusaka said of Jenkem to a reporter from IPS, an independent wire service, "Old man, this is more potent than cannabis."[5] In a BBC report four years later, 16-year-old Luke Mpande stated his preference for jenkem over other inhalants, "With glue, I just hear voices in my head. But with Jenkem, I see visions. I see my mother who is dead and I forget about the problems in my life."[1]

Neither the pharmacology - the composition and active components of the jenkem gas - nor its pharmacodynamics (how the chemical acts on the body) has been described in a scientific journal. None of the usual authorities on psychoactive drugs have involved themselves in the investigation of this drug. This includes MAPS and Lycaeum Synaesthesia. Erowid, an organization providing access to information about psychoactive plants and chemicals and has covered the subject briefly in their questions section and concluded that it is a hoax.[7] Erowid's website states that the "jenkem stories that have been circulating in the U.S. media are almost certainly the strange result of a hoax." The organization states that "We have seen no credible evidence that anyone in the United States, Canada, or Europe inhales sewage gas from bottled human or animal waste (which would primarily be methane) in order to get psychoactive effects."[
6/6/2008 4:17:30 PM EDT
[#7]
Gold spray paint is the one I've encountered the most
6/6/2008 4:29:24 PM EDT
[#8]

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Gold spray paint is the one I've encountered the most


The big one up here (spray paint isnt commonly available in many remote communities) is gasoline
6/6/2008 5:59:53 PM EDT
[#9]

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If you think huffing that is bad, you obviously havent heard about the kids that are huffing fermented shit, yes human poop



In the book Children of AIDS: Africa's Orphan Crisis by Samba Pa Ti, the making of Jenkem is described, "fermented human sewage, scraped from pipes and stored in plastic bags for a week or so, until it gives off numbing, intoxicating fumes."[4] The process is similarly described in the 1995 IPS report, "Human excreta is scooped up from the edges of the sewer ponds in old cans and containers which are covered with a polyethylene bag and left to stew or ferment for a week."[5]. In the BBC 1999 article the process is described as, "...the dark brown sludge, gathering up fistfuls and stuffing it into small plastic bottles. They tap the bottles on the ground, taking care to leave enough room for methane to form at the top."[1]

The general concerns related to "huffing" and hallucinogenic drugs apply to Jenkem usage. The possibility of fecal-oral contamination due to lacking hygienic conditions during Jenkem manufacturing, which could lead to diarrhea and other gastrointestinal infections, must also be considered. Dr. Fumito Ichinose, an anesthesia specialist in Boston who conducted a study on the effects of hydrogen sulfide gas, or "sewer gas," on mice, informs Salon.com that "the inhalation of gases like those produced from Jenkem could result in hypoxia, a lack of oxygen flow to the body that could be alternately euphoric and physically dangerous."[2] It has been noted that Jenkem usage will leave a taste of sewage in the mouth lasting for several days.[6]

The effects of Jenkem inhalation last for around an hour and consist of auditory and visual hallucinations.[1] In 1995, a fifth-grader in Lusaka said of Jenkem to a reporter from IPS, an independent wire service, "Old man, this is more potent than cannabis."[5] In a BBC report four years later, 16-year-old Luke Mpande stated his preference for jenkem over other inhalants, "With glue, I just hear voices in my head. But with Jenkem, I see visions. I see my mother who is dead and I forget about the problems in my life."[1]

Neither the pharmacology - the composition and active components of the jenkem gas - nor its pharmacodynamics (how the chemical acts on the body) has been described in a scientific journal. None of the usual authorities on psychoactive drugs have involved themselves in the investigation of this drug. This includes MAPS and Lycaeum Synaesthesia. Erowid, an organization providing access to information about psychoactive plants and chemicals and has covered the subject briefly in their questions section and concluded that it is a hoax.[7] Erowid's website states that the "jenkem stories that have been circulating in the U.S. media are almost certainly the strange result of a hoax." The organization states that "We have seen no credible evidence that anyone in the United States, Canada, or Europe inhales sewage gas from bottled human or animal waste (which would primarily be methane) in order to get psychoactive effects."[

Pure genious! God, kids these days sure are screwed up.
6/6/2008 11:14:08 PM EDT
[#10]
I've taken care af a large number of kids in the pediatric hospital I work at who have huffed shit to get in there. It's unusual becuase it's usually the "good" kids that do it, at least in my experience. No finding illegal drugs etc. I'd rather my kid smoke a joint than inhale some fucking endust. It kills brain cells by the bucketfull.
6/7/2008 5:00:38 AM EDT
[#11]
re: huffing fecal matter...
Jenkem
rated FALSE from Snopes

the rest of the huffing info is correct above.

glue, head cleaner, paint,...i've seen nasty little dudes that do this stuff parked down deadend streets.

the compressed gas "dusters" are more of a kid thing, as they can acquire it more readily while telling mommy they need to blow the dust out of their 'puter or gaming console.
6/7/2008 5:55:51 PM EDT
[#12]
Perhaps a similar case (near as I can recall).

Patrol has a service member who went Ape Sh**. In the end, they had to tie him down to the gurney with gauze tape. There were polaroids of so named member afterwards. I heard the traffic on my police radio at home at night and was on the phone to the dispatcher about the procedures of how to handle such.

The next morning, I was in the XO's office pushing for a fitness for duty inspection if only to cover our tail. It was approved.....but it meant I had to be in sickbay to push it ....and hence, missing a Captain level base inspection. As far as that went, nothing came of it ..... the Security Officer (Provost Marshall) being pulled out of meetings with the Captain was nothing new and my senior chief handled things fine.

The fitness for duty inspection found nothing that would indicate such actions. Days later, at XO's examination, he racked the servicemember and the incrimadating picture over the coals.

I never found out what cause him to go nuts.

But two things.

In the FBI LE Journal a couple of years ago, there was an article about the value of having a psychologist type on ride alone for similar cases. After all, if someone is tearing the hell out of their place, woulnd't a psychologist opinion carry more weight? (give me time and I shall try to find the reference)

Secondly, that day I was in sickbay, filling out the paper work? I was in winter blues with a radio on my hip, mic clipped to my epaulet. A Navy retiree, also in sickbay, wanted to know if I was NIS ...... which would not be an uncommon question at least then since in his and that time, the Navy didn't have young commissioned officers as military police (I was a rare exception). Got to tell you, though, wrong or right ...... he made me feel like Waffen SS!
_____________________________________________________________________________
("Your uniform, Captain.--Spock as Waffen SS
"Yes, it's a pity yours isn't as attractive as mine. Gestapo, I believe."--Kirk
"Quite true. You should make a very convincing Nazi."  and Kirk aims a look at Spock with a mixture of surprise and near-annoyance, (w,stte). ST:TOS "Patterns of Force")
6/8/2008 3:52:37 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
Perhaps a similar case (near as I can recall).

Patrol has a service member who went Ape Sh**. In the end, they had to tie him down to the gurney with gauze tape. There were polaroids of so named member afterwards. I heard the traffic on my police radio at home at night and was on the phone to the dispatcher about the procedures of how to handle such.

The next morning, I was in the XO's office pushing for a fitness for duty inspection if only to cover our tail. It was approved.....but it meant I had to be in sickbay to push it ....and hence, missing a Captain level base inspection. As far as that went, nothing came of it ..... the Security Officer (Provost Marshall) being pulled out of meetings with the Captain was nothing new and my senior chief handled things fine.

The fitness for duty inspection found nothing that would indicate such actions. Days later, at XO's examination, he racked the servicemember and the incrimadating picture over the coals.

I never found out what cause him to go nuts.

But two things.

In the FBI LE Journal a couple of years ago, there was an article about the value of having a psychologist type on ride alone for similar cases. After all, if someone is tearing the hell out of their place, woulnd't a psychologist opinion carry more weight? (give me time and I shall try to find the reference)

Secondly, that day I was in sickbay, filling out the paper work? I was in winter blues with a radio on my hip, mic clipped to my epaulet. A Navy retiree, also in sickbay, wanted to know if I was NIS ...... which would not be an uncommon question at least then since in his and that time, the Navy didn't have young commissioned officers as military police (I was a rare exception). Got to tell you, though, wrong or right ...... he made me feel like Waffen SS!
_____________________________________________________________________________
("Your uniform, Captain.--Spock as Waffen SS
"Yes, it's a pity yours isn't as attractive as mine. Gestapo, I believe."--Kirk
"Quite true. You should make a very convincing Nazi."  and Kirk aims a look at Spock with a mixture of surprise and near-annoyance, (w,stte). ST:TOS "Patterns of Force")







6/8/2008 3:54:35 PM EDT
[#14]

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We had a guy take out three power poles and knock out half of the city's power for about 6 hours and shut down HWY 101 for 7.5 hours in a dodge SUV.




wasnt that during the super bowl?  Or am I thinking California.



another thing kids are huffing nowdays is the cans of compressed air.  Its supposed to get them fairly high for very cheap.  It amazes me the level of stupidity that some people go through to get high.  
6/8/2008 8:49:20 PM EDT
[#15]
Gold spray paint is the most popular here.

When I was a teenager, one of the local towns had a teen huff Freon or another refrigerant.  Kid was dead before the body hit the floor.
6/9/2008 12:45:51 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
re: huffing fecal matter...
Jenkem
rated FALSE from Snopes

the rest of the huffing info is correct above.

glue, head cleaner, paint,...i've seen nasty little dudes that do this stuff parked down deadend streets.

the compressed gas "dusters" are more of a kid thing, as they can acquire it more readily while telling mommy they need to blow the dust out of their 'puter or gaming console.


Dont know about SNOPES, but I can tell you there are law enforcement bulletins posted on the wall in our control room about it
6/9/2008 1:02:44 PM EDT
[#17]

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Dont know about SNOPES, but I can tell you there are law enforcement bulletins posted on the wall in our control room about it


yes, if you check the Snopes data, it notes wide LE circulation of data in 2007 that is ultimately not verifiable by source along with pictures verified as fiction.
6/9/2008 1:12:25 PM EDT
[#18]

another thing kids are huffing nowdays is the cans of compressed air. Its supposed to get them fairly high for very cheap. It amazes me the level of stupidity that some people go through to get high.


One of my friends brothers died from doing that a year or so ago.