[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How long to build an AR? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/29/2017 11:09:22 AM EDT
| I traded a local gunsmith a bolt gun of mine for him to build me an AR. They make their own receivers, chamber barrel blanks, do engraving and coating, etc. How long should this be taking. I am trying not to be impatient, but the guy has already built a pretty sweet gun out of the bolt action I traded. I traded him the rifle about 2 1/2 months ago. |
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I traded a local gunsmith a bolt gun of mine for him to build me an AR. They make their own receivers, chamber barrel blanks, do engraving and coating, etc. How long should this be taking. I am trying not to be impatient, but the guy has already built a pretty sweet gun out of the bolt action I traded. I traded him the rifle about 2 1/2 months ago. Did you ask him for his estimated delivery date before giving him your money? Takes me about 20-30 minutes to grind out an 80% lower. Closer to 30-minutes for the first one of the day and closer to 20-minutes after the first is done. Seems my tools all wander off between batches of lowers. To assemble a whole rifle takes another hour give or take a flying detent pin and spring sorting. |
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Did you ask him for his estimated delivery date before giving him your money? Takes me about 20-30 minutes to grind out an 80% lower. Closer to 30-minutes for the first one of the day and closer to 20-minutes after the first is done. Seems my tools all wander off between batches of lowers. To assemble a whole rifle takes another hour give or take a flying detent pin and spring sorting. |
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Your first mistake was giving up your bolt gun prior to his finishing up the AR, red flag and you'll likely never see the AR. |
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I can mill a lower in about 20 minutes and put the gun together and be in the yard shooting it in about an hour and that is taking a half hour off for a couple of beers and a smoke. I think that 4-6 weeks is a bit long, if he had the parts in stock. |
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building a match grade AR is not rocket science...and can literally be done by anyone. Forged Receivers from a company that makes Tight upper Receivers (BCM/AP come to mind), Then a good Barrel Larue, Faxon, BA, WOA, Rainier Ultra Match, Criterion, noveske etc... Then a solid rail, Geissle(cause he threw it down the driveway) Midwest Industries, ALG, BCM, DD, Larue, Troy etc really anyone with a good rep and solid lockup. Torque that puppy down, with a proper upper vice block(wheeler makes a good one),add your muzzle device with the correct washer.
Then Slap a PSA LPK in your lower, with the 2 stage trigger(Geissele, or Larue) of your choice. Stake that castle nut with the punch you bought from harbor freight, add the grip and stock of your choice and the lower is built. Add a Good Mount and a good optic with a harris bipod and all of a sudden you have a pretty solid weapon |
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Still no rifle. One guy claims the other broke his phone. I try contacting him via FB and I can see he is on, but no answer there. Do I have any options here? I know it's a civil matter, but where do I go from here? |
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I traded a local gunsmith a bolt gun of mine for him to build me an AR. They make their own receivers, chamber barrel blanks, do engraving and coating, etc. How long should this be taking. I am trying not to be impatient, but the guy has already built a pretty sweet gun out of the bolt action I traded. I traded him the rifle about 2 1/2 months ago. 87days. Are you serious? 
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| If he told me 4-6 weeks after 8 weeks and no rifle I'd be in there every other day asking him where it is and when it will be done. Â After 3 months I'm going to be looking for a refund or my trade back unless he's got a really good explanation and a very firm delivery date within the next 7 days. Â Building an AR isn't that time consuming and he's managed to find the time to build your trade in. |
| Dude, if he said 4-6 weeks and you havnt been up his ass at the 5 week mark then no wonder its still not done. Go light a fire under this dudes ass, show up at the shop every day, call every day, something, anything. If you really want to shake things up, tell him to give you your rifle back. Of course he will tell you why he cant so then your reply should be "fine, then build my fucking AR". They clearly aren't in a hurry because they have to reason to be. Give them one. |
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You said one of them was a law enforcement officer. As someone who previously was one, if you want this problem solved, here is what you do.
Go, in person, the agency of that leo and ask to see the chief/sheriff, whatever or whoever you can get who is high ranking. Tell them exactly what you told us and that you feel he has essentially defrauded you and want to know what to do. While they will tell you its a civil issue, make sure you tell them you are involving a lawyer next and the media after that. The officer will get his ass chewed for causing a problem the agency has to now deal with and magically, your rifle will appear shortly. |
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You said one of them was a law enforcement officer. As someone who previously was one, if you want this problem solved, here is what you do. Go, in person, the agency of that leo and ask to see the chief/sheriff, whatever or whoever you can get who is high ranking. Tell them exactly what you told us and that you feel he has essentially defrauded you and want to know what to do. While they will tell you its a civil issue, make sure you tell them you are involving a lawyer next and the media after that. The officer will get his ass chewed for causing a problem the agency has to now deal with and magically, your rifle will appear shortly. 
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Your advice is to AROCK him Quoted:
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You said one of them was a law enforcement officer. As someone who previously was one, if you want this problem solved, here is what you do. Go, in person, the agency of that leo and ask to see the chief/sheriff, whatever or whoever you can get who is high ranking. Tell them exactly what you told us and that you feel he has essentially defrauded you and want to know what to do. While they will tell you its a civil issue, make sure you tell them you are involving a lawyer next and the media after that. The officer will get his ass chewed for causing a problem the agency has to now deal with and magically, your rifle will appear shortly. |
| Still no rifle. I contacted him about a week ago, and finally got an answer. He said it would be another week or at the latest two weeks. I asked for updates and pictures of what had been done. Contacted him today and can't get an answer from him now. Is there any civil recourse that I can take? |
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Maybe one hour for the receivers to be CNC cut.
Few hours for anodizing, a whole day if it's being coated with a spray and bake finish. IDK about barrels, I've never seen one made before, but I've seen em done on youtube and it looks like a 2 hour affair. Assembly - 20 minutes Test fire - 10 seconds So there you have it, it should take a maximum of 3 days to get this done unless the barrel blank needs to be ordered, then I guess it could take upwards of a month. |
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I should've read the thread.
So it's been almost 5 months now? You're going to have to go in there and be an asshole. You don't sound like an asshole to me, but you'll have to become one. It's pretty much all you can do at this point, go in there and raise hell. Take someone in there with you and have them record the confrontation. It seems like whenever someone is recording, the situation all of a sudden becomes more serious, so the guy recording the incident may make the gunsmith think a lawsuit is headed his way even if you don't plan on involving courts. |
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I should've read the thread. So it's been almost 5 months now? You're going to have to go in there and be an asshole. You don't sound like an asshole to me, but you'll have to become one. It's pretty much all you can do at this point, go in there and raise hell. Take someone in there with you and have them record the confrontation. It seems like whenever someone is recording, the situation all of a sudden becomes more serious, so the guy recording the incident may make the gunsmith think a lawsuit is headed his way even if you don't plan on involving courts. |
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Still no rifle. I contacted him about a week ago, and finally got an answer. He said it would be another week or at the latest two weeks. I asked for updates and pictures of what had been done. Contacted him today and can't get an answer from him now. Is there any civil recourse that I can take? |
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File in small claims court. Demand your bolt gun back. You don't want the AR he'll build at this point. His loss if he put money into the bolt gun. |