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5/3/2025 12:04:19 PM EDT
Bowman is having an insane deal on Skorpion kits and receivers.
https://bowmanarms.com/parts-kits/vz-61-klobb-kit-suppressor-spec-tortort-receiver/
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These a very easy builds. You need a Dremel and some drill bits.

To be clear for $519 you get a kit, cut receiver, US barrel and a US made receiver (with a proper dovetail).


My build.from a few months ago.

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5/3/2025 12:05:20 PM EDT
[#1]
Holy shit!!!

Those kits have jumped up in price!!!

But, so have all the kits.
5/3/2025 12:06:45 PM EDT
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That is a kit, US barrel and US receiver!
5/3/2025 12:32:59 PM EDT
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This really is a bargain. If you can assemble an AR-15 lower, you can assemble vz61. It's an excellent choice to SBR and host with threaded barrel.
5/3/2025 5:37:29 PM EDT
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Ya it's a fun build.
5/3/2025 5:40:06 PM EDT
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Haven't built one, but do have an SBR version. Great fun.
5/3/2025 5:56:33 PM EDT
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What caliber is it?
5/3/2025 6:01:03 PM EDT
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Holy crap I didn't need to see this.

Are there any build threads here?
5/3/2025 6:04:18 PM EDT
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.32 ACP.

But I believe .380 is also possible. I don't know how hard that is though.
5/3/2025 6:04:52 PM EDT
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5/3/2025 7:35:48 PM EDT
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Ya it's a fun build.


Holy crap I didn't need to see this.

Are there any build threads here?


Off the top of my head:
Use bolt as slide hammer/press to input the barrel. Chase barrel pin hole. Insert barrel pin.
Modify FCG to semi auto only. (Disconnector tail cut off and auto sear trip removed, might be a few other minor things I'm not remembering)
Assemble.
Feed ramp may need to be cleaned up the barrel depending on how yours feeds
Shoot.
Submit form 1 and get approval before sliding stock into dovetail.

My trigger guard was cut, you can buy a new one but I haven't bothered because enough is left it looks fine.
5/3/2025 7:36:17 PM EDT
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.32 ACP.

But I believe .380 is also possible. I don't know how hard that is though.
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.32 ACP.

But I believe .380 is also possible. I don't know how hard that is though.


.380 needs a different receiver, mags, etc.
5/3/2025 7:46:07 PM EDT
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Off the top of my head:
Use bolt as slide hammer/press to input the barrel. Chase barrel pin hole. Insert barrel pin.
Modify FCG to semi auto only. (Disconnector tail cut off and auto sear trip removed, might be a few other minor things I'm not remembering)
Assemble.
Feed ramp may need to be cleaned up the barrel depending on how yours feeds
Shoot.
Submit form 1 and get approval before sliding stock into dovetail.

My trigger guard was cut, you can buy a new one but I haven't bothered because enough is left it looks fine.
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How much are additional magazines?
5/3/2025 7:47:27 PM EDT
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Off the top of my head:
Use bolt as slide hammer/press to input the barrel. Chase barrel pin hole. Insert barrel pin.
Modify FCG to semi auto only. (Disconnector tail cut off and auto sear trip removed, might be a few other minor things I'm not remembering)
Assemble.
Feed ramp may need to be cleaned up the barrel depending on how yours feeds
Shoot.
Submit form 1 and get approval before sliding stock into dovetail.

My trigger guard was cut, you can buy a new one but I haven't bothered because enough is left it looks fine.



How much are additional magazines?


$14 for 1, drops to $9 if you buy more than 4.
https://bowmanarms.com/shop-all/vz61-klobb-20rd-mag/
5/3/2025 7:56:30 PM EDT
[#14]
Well, shit.

I guess I have to buy one now.
5/3/2025 7:59:35 PM EDT
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They are fun, and .32 is easy to suppress.
5/3/2025 7:59:49 PM EDT
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Hmmm. I remember passing on the complete guns when they were 500.

They look cool but I have no use for it and already have enough guns that look cool that I don't shoot
5/3/2025 8:00:54 PM EDT
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Built one. Fun build.
5/3/2025 8:01:54 PM EDT
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I just need another fucking caliber to reload for anyways.

40+ wasn't enough.
5/3/2025 8:18:11 PM EDT
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This
5/3/2025 8:28:17 PM EDT
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I posted the basics. It is not hard.
5/3/2025 8:33:53 PM EDT
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Wonderful

I saw the email this morning and ignored it.

Saw this post, then ordered 2 kits

Seems pretty reasonable with a barrel and rec
5/3/2025 8:41:59 PM EDT
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There is a big thread on them in the armory.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/The-Klobb-vz-61-Skorpion-Picture-and-Discussion-Thread/48-518911/

I’ve built two so far. One is a czechpoint receiver and their .22 upper. The second is a reweld in 32 I built as a sot. Fun little gun but expensive to feed.

I have a spare upper that I need to buy one of those threaded barrels for and I’ll probably try 3d printing a lower for it.
5/3/2025 8:50:57 PM EDT
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.32 acp?  

If I got shot with one, and found out about it, I'd be pissed.
5/3/2025 10:34:11 PM EDT
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.32 ACP.

But I believe .380 is also possible. I don't know how hard that is though.
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.32 ACP.

But I believe .380 is also possible. I don't know how hard that is though.

I have them in 32acp and 380. Also have the .22 upper and the  quality is superb.
5/3/2025 10:44:06 PM EDT
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Isn't there a 3d printed receiver build of these available, too?
5/3/2025 10:54:24 PM EDT
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. Yes there is. Titus arms maybe?
5/3/2025 10:58:40 PM EDT
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.32 ACP.

But I believe .380 is also possible. I don't know how hard that is though.
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380 requires possible different upper and possibly different lower. I believe the major difference is in the feed ramp.

Czechpoint has 22LR uppers every now and then.


Wish I had a tortort but I had to deal with that asshole at recon for my lower.
5/3/2025 10:59:27 PM EDT
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Did you get the rate reducer in the parts kit?
5/3/2025 11:06:37 PM EDT
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Yup me too, have had it for a while.

5/3/2025 11:07:57 PM EDT
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Rate reducer parts are in the photo.


Kinda wish I could have the rate reducer run even in my semi.
5/3/2025 11:09:40 PM EDT
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they were in the pic of the parts kit I got many many years ago. But wasn't included. I was a sad panda.
5/3/2025 11:25:38 PM EDT
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What benefit would a rate reducer do for a semi build?
5/3/2025 11:29:18 PM EDT
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Shit, I didn't need another project.
5/3/2025 11:32:20 PM EDT
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So to leave the wire stock on it do you have to SBR it?

@Fat_McNasty
5/3/2025 11:54:58 PM EDT
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she's SBR'ed Daughter called dibs on it. It has a tiffany's silver charm on the bottom of the grip. LOL

Found dimensions for the stock suppressor that fits via collet to the barrel. that's the next $200.
5/4/2025 1:01:01 AM EDT
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she's SBR'ed Daughter called dibs on it. It has a tiffany's silver charm on the bottom of the grip. LOL

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I need to do one..but too many other projects for now.



5/4/2025 1:17:24 AM EDT
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Am I smoking crack?

If one were so inclined:

Barrel for 120
https://bowmanarms.com/shop-all/vz-61-barrel-5-5-suppressor-spec/
Parts kit for 139
https://bowmanarms.com/parts-kits/vz-61-klobb-kit-base-model/

Then 3d print one of the already extant receiver stls... I dunno, 5 bucks in plastic?

OTD for $264 before taxes/tax stamps?

Looks like at least one of these receiver designs will let you use AR fcg parts, too.

https://odysee.com/@TheGatalog-PrintableFramesReceivers:9/CZAR-Vz61-v1.0:3
5/4/2025 1:21:51 AM EDT
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It's a very very easy build.
5/4/2025 7:13:12 AM EDT
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Yep.

And the Tortort receiver is setup for it.
5/4/2025 7:14:27 AM EDT
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Am I smoking crack?

If one were so inclined:

Barrel for 120
https://bowmanarms.com/shop-all/vz-61-barrel-5-5-suppressor-spec/
Parts kit for 139
https://bowmanarms.com/parts-kits/vz-61-klobb-kit-base-model/

Then 3d print one of the already extant receiver stls... I dunno, 5 bucks in plastic?

OTD for $264 before taxes/tax stamps?

Looks like at least one of these receiver designs will let you use AR fcg parts, too.

https://odysee.com/@TheGatalog-PrintableFramesReceivers:9/CZAR-Vz61-v1.0:3
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Yep, you can build one even cheaper if you want to print the receiver.
5/4/2025 7:39:45 AM EDT
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Always wanted one. I have a thing for weird Eastern (central?)  European/soviet bloc guns and .32 acp.....

Never realized they were that easy to build. I see they make "braces" for them too.
5/4/2025 7:41:52 AM EDT
[#42]
This fucking place is costing me a lot of money.
Hopefully they’re sold out before I click over.
5/4/2025 8:02:54 AM EDT
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I want one in .22 with a threaded barrel and super safety.
5/4/2025 8:14:08 AM EDT
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Had one, sold it.  Grip angle is vertical and the stock is so short as to be unusable.
5/4/2025 8:24:16 AM EDT
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Mine did. Still got it sitting in a parts pile
5/4/2025 8:27:50 AM EDT
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.32 ACP.

But I believe .380 is also possible. I don't know how hard that is though.
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.32 ACP.

But I believe .380 is also possible. I don't know how hard that is though.


What would someone need to do, beyond a barrel and mags, to get it running in .380? I’m already setup to handload .380 and would rather not add another caliber for a single gun.
5/4/2025 8:38:30 AM EDT
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For people with a printer, there are about 20 different variations you can now print.  You can use the original trigger, ar15 trigger, super safety, original stock, 1913 brace/stock, etc.

You can also purchase SLS PA12 Nylon receivers in different variations.

Companies are starting to design threaded barrels for these as well.
5/4/2025 9:34:46 AM EDT
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Cool! My Czechpoint had the holes as well.
5/4/2025 11:28:39 AM EDT
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There is a big thread on them in the armory.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/The-Klobb-vz-61-Skorpion-Picture-and-Discussion-Thread/48-518911/

I’ve built two so far. One is a czechpoint receiver and their .22 upper. The second is a reweld in 32 I built as a sot. Fun little gun but expensive to feed.

I have a spare upper that I need to buy one of those threaded barrels for and I’ll probably try 3d printing a lower for it.
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I have the 22 upper just need to build a lower for it.Was thinking of just swapping lowers with one of the other complete guns but it looks to be kind of a hassle to do every time that I want to shoot 22.
5/4/2025 11:31:11 AM EDT
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They are fun, and .32 is easy to suppress.
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But not easy to find. I’ve seen 1 box on the shelf in 2 years, and I had a gun store employee say nobody makes ammo in that caliber anymore

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