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12/13/2007 6:35:50 PM EDT
Ok, I have made myself a shopping list of the things I still have to get for my AR.  Yes, it will be about a $5200 rifle when I get done.  Maybe some day I will win the lottery and get a transferable auto sear.  Anyway, I have pictures of the stuff I still want on this page, and thought I would see if anyone knows of anything better than what I have selected.  To be clear, I do not care if you think my rife has too much shit.  This is America, and I will shittify my rifle if I want to.  I am only seeking relative product info (eg. hey- there is a better suppressor in the $600 range than YHM... etc.)  I would ESPECIALLY like to know if anyone knows of a better price on these items than what I have found.  Thanks.

shanoogie.com/content/Firearms/arbuild.htm

(Just to be clear, KISSers can KMA)
12/13/2007 6:40:46 PM EDT
[#1]
Reminds me of the fat airsoft kid and all his tacticool gear.
12/13/2007 6:42:34 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Reminds me of the fat airsoft kid and all his tacticool gear.


Here's a pic of it now:



JUST KIDDING!
12/13/2007 6:43:43 PM EDT
[#3]
No bayonet?
12/13/2007 6:45:41 PM EDT
[#4]

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No bayonet?


If I run out of ammo in close quarters I have a .45 caliber bayonet on my hip from Gaston.
12/13/2007 6:52:01 PM EDT
[#5]
Nice looking build you got their.
12/13/2007 6:54:11 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Nice looking build you got their.


Thanks.  I am trying to get the best money-to-value ratio weapon I can mange, that is as versatile as possible.  

I have about $3200 into is so far (some of that will be for sale soon).
12/13/2007 6:57:46 PM EDT
[#7]

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Nice looking build you got their.


Thanks.  I am trying to get the best money-to-value ratio weapon I can mange, that is as versatile as possible.  

I have about $3200 into is so far (some of that will be for sale soon).



Invest in good optics and loads; rails, flash lights, cool grips- don't mean shit.
12/13/2007 6:58:54 PM EDT
[#8]
Only 9 mags?
12/13/2007 6:59:34 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

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Nice looking build you got their.


Thanks.  I am trying to get the best money-to-value ratio weapon I can mange, that is as versatile as possible.  

I have about $3200 into is so far (some of that will be for sale soon).



Invest in good optics and loads; rails, flash lights, cool grips- don't mean shit.


I am getting a NV-compatible $1150 EOTech, dude, which has a flip-to side magnifier.  Since the other stuff only adds a couple pounds, I don't see why not to have it.  Can't hurt.
12/13/2007 7:01:12 PM EDT
[#10]

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Only 9 mags?


Once I stop shovelling $$ into the crap I want, then I can get serious about mag acquisition.

12/13/2007 7:04:59 PM EDT
[#11]
Bout the only thing I could say is that I just picked up 10 new mags in the wrap from 44mag for 9.98ea. you cant go wrong for that..........
12/13/2007 7:06:17 PM EDT
[#12]


I built this one for about $1350, give or take a few $'s.... I have the RRA NM trigger in it and it's pretty awesome. I also have an LMT trigger in one of my other AR's and I think it's just as good if not better, it's about $25 more though!

- Clint
12/13/2007 7:08:14 PM EDT
[#13]
Needs a tire deflater.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=649080
12/13/2007 7:12:22 PM EDT
[#14]

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Needs a tire deflater.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=649080


Nah, needs a compass and MRE storage.
12/14/2007 6:07:04 AM EDT
[#15]
12/14/2007 6:13:10 AM EDT
[#16]
It'll be worth half what you put into it, which is halfway to an M16.

Good idea.
12/14/2007 6:16:15 AM EDT
[#17]

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It'll be worth half what you're put into it, which is halfway to an M16.

Good idea.


NO kidding. For that money I would certainly go after a 16 conversion!
12/14/2007 6:17:37 AM EDT
[#18]
I haven't even looked at the build list but I can tell you what will happen... because I've done it before.

You'll spend all that money to build the bestest AR15 you can possibly have and then you'll realize that you still have an AR15... but it's an AR15 that you spent a shit load of money on and is now really heavy and awkward but still does the same thing that any other AR15 does: send .223 bullets toward a target.

12/14/2007 6:24:13 AM EDT
[#19]
Doubletap.
12/14/2007 6:24:24 AM EDT
[#20]
I'd save for an M16, or get 6 more KISS ARs.

12/14/2007 6:27:07 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
Ok, I have made myself a shopping list of the things I still have to get for my AR.  Yes, it will be about a $5200 rifle when I get done.  Maybe some day I will win the lottery and get a transferable auto sear.  Anyway, I have pictures of the stuff I still want on this page, and thought I would see if anyone knows of anything better than what I have selected.  To be clear, I do not care if you think my rife has too much shit.  This is America, and I will shittify my rifle if I want to.  I am only seeking relative product info (eg. hey- there is a better suppressor in the $600 range than YHM... etc.)  I would ESPECIALLY like to know if anyone knows of a better price on these items than what I have found.  Thanks.

shanoogie.com/content/Firearms/arbuild.htm

(Just to be clear, KISSers can KMA)



warning! it's a rickroll!!!!
12/14/2007 6:29:41 AM EDT
[#22]

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shanoogie.com/funny%20pics/motivational/Tacticool.jpg


bayonets are for pussies!



12/14/2007 6:41:28 AM EDT
[#23]

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No bayonet?


If I run out of ammo in close quarters I have a .45 caliber bayonet on my hip from Gaston.


You mean you have a hand grenade.









12/14/2007 6:51:52 AM EDT
[#24]

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I haven't even looked at the build list but I can tell you what will happen... because I've done it before.

You'll spend all that money to build the bestest AR15 you can possibly have and then you'll realize that you still have an AR15... but it's an AR15 that you spent a shit load of money on and is now really heavy and awkward but still does the same thing that any other AR15 does: send .223 bullets toward a target.



You people kill me.  Please tell me what it is you think it is that a bad idea to have on a rifle:

Optics
Light
Sound suppressor
Quick detachable bipod (don't need it at the moment?  Throw lever removal)
Vertical Foregrip
Quad rail

The other things I have are simply higher quality stock item replacements that fit me better.  
12/14/2007 7:03:54 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
Ok, I have made myself a shopping list of the things I still have to get for my AR.  Yes, it will be about a $5200 rifle when I get done.  Maybe some day I will win the lottery and get a transferable auto sear.  Anyway, I have pictures of the stuff I still want on this page, and thought I would see if anyone knows of anything better than what I have selected.  To be clear, I do not care if you think my rife has too much shit.  This is America, and I will shittify my rifle if I want to.  I am only seeking relative product info (eg. hey- there is a better suppressor in the $600 range than YHM... etc.)  I would ESPECIALLY like to know if anyone knows of a better price on these items than what I have found.  Thanks.

shanoogie.com/content/Firearms/arbuild.htm

(Just to be clear, KISSers can KMA)


I am glad I read some of the response before commenting.

I didn't realize at first that this is your gun and that you are being serious about asking our opinions.

My first bit of advice would "have been" to get a quality AR to begin with.

The next one would be to never buy anything with BSA on it.

BigDozer66
12/14/2007 7:04:38 AM EDT
[#26]
Page 2 ownage to be sure.

BigDozer66
12/14/2007 7:04:48 AM EDT
[#27]
My only suggestion would be to look at the new Timney AR triggers rather than the RRA.  I got one of the Timneys and it is very nice.
12/14/2007 7:05:21 AM EDT
[#28]

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I haven't even looked at the build list but I can tell you what will happen... because I've done it before.

You'll spend all that money to build the bestest AR15 you can possibly have and then you'll realize that you still have an AR15... but it's an AR15 that you spent a shit load of money on and is now really heavy and awkward but still does the same thing that any other AR15 does: send .223 bullets toward a target.



You people kill me.  Please tell me what it is you think it is that a bad idea to have on a rifle:

Optics
Light
Sound suppressor
Quick detachable bipod (don't need it at the moment?  Throw lever removal)
Vertical Foregrip
Quad rail

The other things I have are simply higher quality stock item replacements that fit me better.  


Ok, I looked at the list and I can't figure out how you're spending $5200 on it.

Here's what I would do:
LMT lower, register as a SBR. $450
LMT 10.5" upper. $500
Install PRI Gen III mid-length tube and low-profile gas block. $400
Install MagPul MIAD. $40
Install SOPMOD stock. $200
AAC SCAR-SD can. $1100
Install ACOG TA31F with LaRue mount.  $1000 (used)
Install Surefire M900.  $250 (used)

You've got all your bases covered (and a nicer rifle, IMO) for less than $4k even with some padding on the prices and 2 tax stamps.
12/14/2007 7:23:35 AM EDT
[#29]

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Quoted:

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I haven't even looked at the build list but I can tell you what will happen... because I've done it before.

You'll spend all that money to build the bestest AR15 you can possibly have and then you'll realize that you still have an AR15... but it's an AR15 that you spent a shit load of money on and is now really heavy and awkward but still does the same thing that any other AR15 does: send .223 bullets toward a target.



You people kill me.  Please tell me what it is you think it is that a bad idea to have on a rifle:

Optics
Light
Sound suppressor
Quick detachable bipod (don't need it at the moment?  Throw lever removal)
Vertical Foregrip
Quad rail

The other things I have are simply higher quality stock item replacements that fit me better.  


Ok, I looked at the list and I can't figure out how you're spending $5200 on it.
Prices are listed, I am not even including tax.  Some of the items are wholesale cost, and all are new.

Here's what I would do:
LMT lower, register as a SBR. $450
LMT 10.5" upper. $500
Don't want an SBR, and for a little more I have a lifetime warranty on a good rifle- this is personal preference here.

Install PRI Gen III mid-length tube and low-profile gas block. $400
Something wrong with Samson?  I like it, and my railed block.  



Install MagPul MIAD. $40
I may very well do that, thanks!  THAT is why I started this thread- to get tips like that.



Install SOPMOD stock. $200
I like the the VLTOR, for less money



AAC SCAR-SD can. $1100
Why?  Serious question.  YHM has a good unit for the price, and with tool-less removal/attachemnt.  What about AAC makes it worth the extra money?



Install ACOG TA31F with LaRue mount.  $1000 (used)
I am right handed/left eye dominant.  With the EOTech, I can keep both eyes open for CQC with no strain.  If I am looking through a tube with both eyes open, my eyes tend to disregard the optic.  With the EOtech w/ FTS4x, I can flip up the magnifier for longer shots, and it still retains the larger rectangular FOV.  Again, personal pref.




Install Surefire M900.  $250 (used)
Again, personal pref.  My setup is cheaper and lighter, and I like it better.


You've got all your bases covered (and a nicer rifle, IMO) for less than $4k even with some padding on the prices and 2 tax stamps.
Stag has a good rep and a good rifle.  I buy stuff new, and I like warranties.  You nailed it on the head, though- everyone likes the stuff that suits them.  So, even though your pref would be the way you listed things, my choices are not as bad as you made out originally.

12/14/2007 7:26:45 AM EDT
[#30]

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It'll be worth half what you're put into it, which is halfway to an M16.

Good idea.


NO kidding. For that money I would certainly go after a 16 conversion!


Yep, $5,000+ is not far from a lightning link.
12/14/2007 7:32:12 AM EDT
[#31]

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It'll be worth half what you're put into it, which is halfway to an M16.

Good idea.


NO kidding. For that money I would certainly go after a 16 conversion!


Yep, $5,000+ is not far from a lightning link.


For 10 a RR is the way to IMHO. That and a ciener conversion and your off and running!
12/14/2007 7:32:40 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:

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It'll be worth half what you're put into it, which is halfway to an M16.

Good idea.


NO kidding. For that money I would certainly go after a 16 conversion!


Yep, $5,000+ is not far from a lightning link.


And $2k more than a Cobray M11/9 subgun.
12/14/2007 7:34:38 AM EDT
[#33]
How much is a transferable drop in?
12/14/2007 7:36:04 AM EDT
[#34]

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How much is a transferable drop in?



DIAS are running around $14K

Registered Lightning Links are around $7K

Registered Receivers are in the $10K
12/14/2007 7:37:59 AM EDT
[#35]
Why do you post this stuff here?  Do you like abuse?
12/14/2007 7:40:24 AM EDT
[#36]
Your build is lacking Larue.
12/14/2007 7:46:25 AM EDT
[#37]

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Why do you post this stuff here?  Do you like abuse?


Went into that in the first post.  Just seeing if anyone had any suggestions that I might like.  Even if I have to deal with 10 grumpy people to get one good tip, it is still free.  At least GD is alot better than tech.
12/14/2007 7:46:40 AM EDT
[#38]
the first thing I'd change is the rifle itself....go with a RRA or Colt. My Stag was nice lookin but after sending it back to Stag a couple times it is no longer with me. If you go with the RR rifle you can get the trigger you want up front. Also, ditch the ARMS and go with LaRue...there is really no comparison when it comes down to the quality of these two mounts. Other than that it looks like you will have a nice rifle when all done.
12/14/2007 7:47:48 AM EDT
[#39]
I would skip on the hydraulic buffer until when/if you do step up to an FA situation, its really not needed for a semi-.
12/14/2007 7:48:05 AM EDT
[#40]

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Your build is lacking Larue.


I looked all through their site, and it looks like they have some good stuff, but nothing that I couldn't get a similar item of high quality that fits my needs elsewhere.  I will check again, though.
12/14/2007 7:50:01 AM EDT
[#41]
I never cared for all that flash and dazzle on a gun. It makes the gun heavy, clumsy and complicated.

I like to keep things simple and reliable.

Here's one of my SBR's, built on a stripped RRA lower I bought a few years ago.

Stripped RRA lower was $85
Complete upper was $425
M4 Stock was $55
Lower parts kit $50
Hogue pistol grip $15
Saamco rail system $100
Forward pistol grip $20
Sling $5

(That's $755 TOTAL into the gun itself)

Add in the AAC Ranger suppressor $575

And it's $1330 total in hardware.

Then add:

SBR tax $200
Suppressor tax $200

And there's $1730 of my money wrapped up in one gun.

I also have a cheap gunshow flashlight I picked up for $35 that sometimes gets clamped on.


12/14/2007 7:50:04 AM EDT
[#42]

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the first thing I'd change is the rifle itself....go with a RRA or Colt. My Stag was nice lookin but after sending it back to Stag a couple times it is no longer with me. If you go with the RR rifle you can get the trigger you want up front. Also, ditch the ARMS and go with LaRue...there is really no comparison when it comes down to the quality of these two mounts. Other than that it looks like you will have a nice rifle when all done.


I have only had mine about 4 months/4000 rds, but it has been flawless so far (other than a couple bad rounds).  I was thinking of getting the LAR-8, but got tired of waiting.
12/14/2007 7:51:18 AM EDT
[#43]

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I never cared for all that flash and dazzle on a gun. It makes the gun heavy, clumsy and complicated.

I like to keep things simple and reliable.

Here's one of my SBR's, built on a stripped RRA lower I bought a few years ago.

Stripped RRA lower was $85
Complete upper was $425
M4 Stock was $55
Lower parts kit $50
Hogue pistol grip $15
Saamco rail system $100
Forward pistol grip $20
Sling $5

(That's $755 TOTAL into the gun itself)

Add in the AAC Ranger suppressor $575

And it's $1330 total in hardware.

Then add:

SBR tax $200
Suppressor tax $200

And there's $1730 of my money wrapped up in one gun.


i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/yullose/DSC051052.jpg


Money's cheap, and I'm picky.
12/14/2007 7:55:36 AM EDT
[#44]
Ditch the bipod. You'll be able to shoot that rifle just as well prone with or without support as yu will from a bipod.
12/14/2007 7:57:35 AM EDT
[#45]

Quoted:
Ditch the bipod. You'll be able to shoot that rifle just as well prone with or without support as yu will from a bipod.


I haven't tried one yet, but (serious question), if that is true, why do LEOs and .mil use them?
12/14/2007 7:58:02 AM EDT
[#46]

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Your build is lacking Larue.


I looked all through their site, and it looks like they have some good stuff, but nothing that I couldn't get a similar item of high quality that fits my needs elsewhere.  I will check again, though.


I think you missed the point...

LaRue is superior to every other product out there.

Their mounts are the best in the industry, period.  Replace your GG&G and ARMS stuff with LaRue.
12/14/2007 7:58:39 AM EDT
[#47]

Quoted:

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Ditch the bipod. You'll be able to shoot that rifle just as well prone with or without support as yu will from a bipod.


I haven't tried one yet, but (serious question), if that is true, why do LEOs and .mil use them?


How many military types do you see with a bipod on their M4?
12/14/2007 8:00:38 AM EDT
[#48]

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Ditch the bipod. You'll be able to shoot that rifle just as well prone with or without support as yu will from a bipod.


I haven't tried one yet, but (serious question), if that is true, why do LEOs and .mil use them?


How many military types do you see with bipods on their M4?


Without searching the whole net for pictures, I have seen several pics of guys in urban environs in the sandbox with bipods.  
12/14/2007 8:08:22 AM EDT
[#49]
I really dont understand why you need to put all that junk on them, I would rather have a m16 with no accessories.

In my humble opinion this is what you need, quality m4gery, aimpoint or acog, buis, tac sling and a ton of ammo and mags.  Then shoot and learn.
12/14/2007 8:09:46 AM EDT
[#50]

Quoted:
Ok, I have made myself a shopping list of the things I still have to get for my AR.  Yes, it will be about a $5200 rifle when I get done.  Maybe some day I will win the lottery and get a transferable auto sear.  Anyway, I have pictures of the stuff I still want on this page, and thought I would see if anyone knows of anything better than what I have selected.  To be clear, I do not care if you think my rife has too much shit.  This is America, and I will shittify my rifle if I want to.  I am only seeking relative product info (eg. hey- there is a better suppressor in the $600 range than YHM... etc.)  I would ESPECIALLY like to know if anyone knows of a better price on these items than what I have found.  Thanks.

shanoogie.com/content/Firearms/arbuild.htm

(Just to be clear, KISSers can KMA)



Quoted:
Ok, I have made myself a shopping list of the things I still have to get for my AR.  Yes, it will be about a $5200 rifle when I get done.  Maybe some day I will win the lottery and get a transferable auto sear.  Anyway, I have pictures of the stuff I still want on this page, and thought I would see if anyone knows of anything better than what I have selected.  To be clear, I do not care if you think my rife has too much shit.  This is America, and I will shittify my rifle if I want to.  I am only seeking relative product info (eg. hey- there is a better suppressor in the $600 range than YHM... etc.)  I would ESPECIALLY like to know if anyone knows of a better price on these items than what I have found.  Thanks.

shanoogie.com/content/Firearms/arbuild.htm

(Just to be clear, KISSers can KMA)


Can I ask what you hope this rifle will do that an AR from a good company won't do? Optics yes, light yes everything else just seems like extra baggage.

I'd think you'd be better off with a couple ARs from a reputable company some spare parts, top of the line magazines and ammo.

Will this shoot 2500-4K better?

Will it be 2500-4K more reliable?

Do you reach a point of diminished returns?

Are you going to be competing with this?

Is it just an exercise in spending more money than necessary on a rifle? Believe it or not I can totally see that in a small way.

Is it so you can say I have the most expensive AR just for shits and giggles?

Will this be a heavy use rifle or will you lock it up in a safe far too worried to ever really shoot it? I see a lot of people on this and other forums spending a ton of money on something talking about how well made it is and reliable etc etc but you can tell the pistol/rifle/garden hoe has probably hit the range once.

I agree it is your rifle staple as much stuff to it as you want but you are spending a lot of money to get pretty standard results.

Why would you spend all this money on precision stuff and than put a 16 inch barrel on it? Seems like putting a built 427 in a 1972 Vega. Yeah it will go faster but who cares because the core of the build makes the 427 worthless.

Why not a .308 instead of a 5.56mm? I mean if you are going to dump that much money in to it why not get a larger caliber precision rifle that can really exercise the stuff you are putting in to it.

You are spending more than many custom built rifles and it doesn't seem like you are drastically improving anything so I am curious about what you think will be the outcome. I can totally see someone doing it I am just curious to see what you hope to accomplish.

This reminds me of a newbie I see on occasion in the gun store that buys a 16 inch AR puts a bipod on it and a long range scope all sorts of other stuff and eventually realizes a bipod on a 16 inch rifle is silly and totally counter intuitive, long range glass on a 16 inch is silly. The goal of a 16 inch rifle is to have it be nimble not to give your self a shorter barrel to load it up with goodies.
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