Posted: 6/27/2005 7:19:14 PM EDT
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Mr bush will be at bragg tomorrow which i hope he can knock some sense in to the assholes in brac that want to close pope afb grrrrrrrrrr.i mean i am glad he is coming are troops need to see their commander and if it is like last time he will get to see the latest upgrades in the 82nd and of course the spec ops command.i am wondering how brac is going to explain to the president why the fuck his best units cant move as fast as they can now if they close pope as an afb and hand it over to bragg the rumor is that if pope closes their c-130s most of them will go to arkansas and the a-10s will go elsewhere to hmmmmmm how will the 82nd train as well as the do now if their planes are missing the fleet of c-130s now is 32 if they leave it will drop to 16. yeah i can see someone telling whoever the president is at the time the 82nd is needed in the future sorry mr president i cant make it in 72 hours i have to wait for them to show up from whereever they are not good.hopefully they will leave pope alone but as of late brac is making some very stupid decisions that could hurt are guys over seas.for instance the b-1 bombers out west leave them alone i mean we all here how well they did in iraq and afhanistan so how do you repay the bomber base by moving it elsewhere not good when that helps out if i read it right being a big base with the economy.ok thats all im saying now sorry for the rant but brac should leave things be for now while the united states is at war over seas. |
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the thing said 4800 pope personell would leave the whole pope afb is 4900 i think. ok here is what it says on globalsecurity about the personnel look at the personal then look how many are leaving. i put in bold so you can see it it basically effectiville as alot of us know pope afb will never be the same. Pope AFB, North Carolina Pope Air Force Base, NC, is located on the northern edge of the city of Fayetteville and adjacent to Fort Bragg. Fort Bragg and Pope Air Force Base comprise one of the world's largest military installations. Pope is approximately sixty miles south southwest of Raleigh and one hundred miles east of Charlotte. Pope Air Force Base is home to the 43rd Airlift Wing and two tenant units: the 23rd Fighter Group and the 18th Air Support Operations Group. The 43d Airlift Wing at Pope AFB provides contingency airlift to the 82d Airborne Division and other special units at Fort Bragg right next door. Pope Air Force Base has played a leading role in the development of U.S. tactics and air-power throughout history. Missions at Pope range from providing airlift and close air support to American armed forces, to humanitarian missions flown all over the world. Pope AFB encompasses 2,194 acres located southwest of the Little River and 10 mi northwest of Fayetteville, North Carolina. The lands under the jurisdiction of Pope AFB include the main base (1,893 acres), the Laketree Site and Railroad strip (112 acres), the New Munitions Storage Area (173 acres), the Localizer site (less than 1 acre), Middle Marker site (2 acres), Outer Marker site (2 acres), MARS Station (less than 1 acre), and Old Munitions Storage Area (10 acres). There are 460 buildings on the base. The population of Pope AFB is approximately 4,700 military personnel and 1,150 dependents (USAF, 43 MSS/DPMD, 1996). The civilian work force includes approximately 315 General Schedule (GS) and Wage Grade (WG), 190 Non-Appropriated Fund (NAF), and 150 contractor personnel. Today, Pope supports the Air Force under the Air Mobility Command with Rapid Global Mobility. C-130 Hercules aircraft fly people, equipment, and supplies all over the world to support the far-reaching military obligations of the United States. Personnel and aircraft of Pope Air Force Base have been involved in humanitarian disaster relief, presidential directed combat actions like Operations URGENT FURY in Grenada, JUST CAUSE in Panama, DESERT SHIELD/DESERT STORM in Southwest Asia, as well as supporting Fort Bragg's Airborne and Special Operations paratroopers. On April 1, 1997, the 43rd Airlift Wing activated as the host wing at Pope under Air Mobility Command with the 2nd and 41st Airlift Squadrons flying C-130s. The designation of the composite wing went to the 23rd Fighter Group, which became a tenant unit under Air Combat Command, flying A-10s with the 74th and 75th Fighter Squadrons. Pope is home to the 23rd Fighter Group, an Air Combat Command unit, flying A/OA-10 Thunderbolt II close air support aircraft. Personnel and aircraft from the 23rd fly missions supporting contingencies - wartime and peacetime - at home and abroad in areas such as Bosnia and Southwest Asia. Pope AFB is the site of the biennial International Air Mobility Rodeo competition. Volant Rodeo is Air Mobility Command's (AMC) premier air mobility competition. In 2000, more than 80 aircraft representing over 100 teams from 17 countries, along with 3,500 competitors, observers, umpires, and support people showed up to do what they do best. The first Rodeo was held at Pope AFB in 1962 and was designed as a combat skills competition to develop and improve techniques and procedures, while enhancing air mobility operations, and promoting "esprit de corps." Rodeo has evolved to include teams from all over the world, competing in areas including airdrop, aerial refueling, aircraft navigation, special tactics, short-field landings, maintenance, cargo loading, engine-running on/offloads, aeromedical evacuations, and security forces operations. Woodland Heights is the newest housing for junior enlisted families at Pope. The four buildings are the first of 84 duplexes, a total of 168 two-story units being built at Pope for junior enlisted airmen. Savannah District has oversight on the $18 million design/build project for the base. Woodland Heights features spacious yards, sidewalk-lined streets, and a jogging trail that circles the large neighborhood. For years the 43rd Airlift has done the hazardous cargo part of this mission on four aircraft parking spots at the south corner of the airfield. Fort Bragg's deployment requirements justify up to 12 parking spots, but explosives safety zone requirements limited real estate reduced expansion possibilities. Through detailed coordination and planning, the Air Force developed a site plan that would replace the four parking spots with an apron (2,025x730 feet) large enough to handle six C-5 aircraft (or many smaller airplanes) and comply with the explosives safety criteria. The project would not only increase loading capacity by 50 percent, but also enhance mission capability by including a 600 gallon-per-minute aircraft hydrant fueling system to serve each parking spot, alleviating the need for fuel trucks. About 19 acres of wetlands would be displaced permanently or temporarily during construction of the parking apron. The impacted acreage includes part of Tank Creek, an active stream on Pope AFB that supports a diverse ecological environment and is a major drainage channel for storm water run-off from Fort Bragg. Both Bragg's restoration/mitigation efforts and Pope's Dangerous Cargo Apron project are under way and are either on or ahead of schedule. The $23.5 million dangerous cargo apron project will be completed no later than February 2004. Attention at Pope Air Force Base is centered on a proposed runway extension. The base is looking for $50 million to extend its 7,500-foot runway an additional 3,000 feet. The Army is spending about $103 million to improve the Green Ramp area on Pope, where troops and cargo are loaded onto Pope’s C-130 airplanes. The Air Force is already spending about $33 million to improve the area where airplanes carrying explosives and hazardous cargo are fueled. In the meantime, an environmental impact study on the proposed runway extension has been completed. The base is waiting for Congress to find the money for the project. History In 1918, Congress established Camp Bragg, an Army field artillery site named for the Confederate General Braxton Bragg. An aviation landing field was added a year later. The War Department officially established "Pope Field" in 1919, and it ranks as one of the oldest installations in the Air Force. It is named after First Lieutenant Harley Halbert Pope who was killed on January 7, 1919, when the JN-4 Jenny he was flying crashed into the Cape Fear River. After five years, Camp Bragg became a permanent Army post renamed Fort Bragg. Original operations included photographing terrain for mapping, carrying the mail, and spotting for artillery and forest fires. Observation planes and observation balloons occupied Pope Field for the first eight years. Spotting for artillery, detecting forest fires, and carrying the mail. In December 1927, Pope played a role in the development of tactics that would prove critically important in shortening World War II. The 1930s saw the first major expansion of the facilities at Pope. In 1935, Pope Field hosted 535 aircraft in one day as the Army Air Service practiced large scale operations along the East Coast. In 1940, paved runways replaced dirt open fields. Much of the parking ramp space remained unpaved until after WWII. The tempo of activities at Pope quickened with the outbreak of World War II. During the 1940s, the base swelled as a troop carrier training site, and with the institution of paratrooper training at Camp Bragg, Pope began putting the “Air” in “Airborne.” Throughout the war, air and ground crews trained here with Army airborne units in preparation for airborne and aerial resupply missions. After the war, Pope Field became an Air Force Base with the creation of the U.S. Air Force on Sep 18, 1947. The base served as the home of the 10th Tactical Reconnaissance Wing from 1947 until 1950, when Headquarters 9th Air Force moved to the base. During the next four years, the base primary mission dealt with training Forward Air Controllers for the Korean War. In 1954, 9th AF turned the base over to a troop carrier wing that specialized in tactical airlift. In October 1954, the 464th Troop Carrier Wing transferred to Pope AFB, and a major period of facility expansion followed. The main runway, the taxiways, and the ramp were all expanded to support the 464th’s C-119 Flying Boxcars. During the 1950s and 1960s, aircraft upgrade was the primary trend at the North Carolina installation. The C-123 Provider started replacing the C-119 in 1958, and in 1963, the first C-130 Hercules arrived, appropriately named “The North Carolina.” As America became involved in Vietnam, the need to train large numbers of aircrews to fully use the unique capabilities of the C-130 led to the establishment of an aircrew replacement training unit. The drop zones, low-level routes, and dirt landing zones at Fort Bragg became familiar to many men bound for South-east Asia. The training gained in operating in the North Carolina area immeasurably improved aircrew preparedness for combat duty. In August 1971, the 464th inactivated and the 317th Tactical Airlift Wing administratively moved to Pope AFB. |
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and here is excatlly what the plan to do at pope grrrrrr not good and i mis spoke it will lose 5969 good god Pope Air Force Base – Realign Manpower: The installation will lose 5,969 military and 345 civilians and gain 1,148 military and 1,153 civilians for a total loss of 4,821 military and a net total gain of 808 civilians. Air Force Recommendations: Move 25 C-130 aircraft to Little Rock AFB, Ark. Move 36 A-10 aircraft to Moody AFB, Ga. Transfer ownership of Pope AFB to the U.S. Army. Receive C-130 aircraft from Pittsburgh Air Reserve Station, Pa., and Yeager Air Guard Station, W.Va., to form an AFRC Wing. Create active duty association on AFRC C-130 aircraft. Numerous Air Force units (3 APS, 18 ASOG, 14 ASOS, 373 TRS DET 1, and others) remain in place continuing to provide support to the Army and become tenants to the Army on an expanded Ft. Bragg. Joint Recommendations: Close Ft. McPherson, Ga. Move the HQs US Army Forces Command, and the HQs US Army Reserve Command to Pope Air Force Base. Close Ft. Gillem. Move the HQs US Forces Command VIP Explosive Ordnance Support to Pope AFB. Establish joint mobilization sites. Realign Ft. Eustis, Va., Ft Jackson, S.C., and Ft Lee, Va., by relocating all mobilization processing functions to Ft. Bragg, N.C., and designating it as Joint Pre-Deployment/Mobilization Site Bragg/Pope. Incoming Activities: -- Air Force Actions: What: Receive C-130 aircraft from Pittsburgh ARS and Yeager AGS. Why: This consolidation is part of a larger effort to consolidate the C-130 force structure into larger, more effective units. Placing this AFRC presence at Ft. Bragg will maintain the synergy that has existed between Army maneuver units and Air Force tactical airlift at Pope AFB. What: Create an active duty association on AFRC C-130 aircraft. Why: This is part of a larger effort across the Air Force forming reverse associate units. Active duty manpower and crews will share in the operation and maintenance of reserve component aircraft. This will provide the active duty with greater access to reserve component airframes and creates opportunities for seasoning active duty members through association with the corporate experience retained in the reserve component. Creation of an associate unit at Pope/Ft. Bragg allows for support of active duty members assigned to the associate unit. -- Joint Actions: What: Close Ft. McPherson. Move the HQs US Army Forces Command and the HQs US Army Reserve Command to Pope AFB. Why: Ft McPherson, an administrative installation, moves the tenant headquarters organizations to Pope AFB. It enhances the Army’s military value, is consistent with the Army’s Force Structure Plan, and maintains adequate surge capabilities to address future unforeseen requirements. This closure allows the Army to employ excess capacities at installations that can accomplish more than administrative missions. The organization relocations in this recommendation also create multifunctional, multi-component and multi-Service installations that provide a better level of service at a reduced cost. The recommended relocations also retain or enhance vital linkages between the relocating organizations and other headquarters activities. What: Close Ft. Gillem. Move the HQs US Forces Command VIP Explosive Ordnance Support to Pope AFB. Why: Ft. Gillem, an administrative installation and an AAFES distribution center, moves small components of the HQs 3rd US Army and US Army Forces Command to Pope AFB. It enhances the Army’s military value, is consistent with the Army’s Force Structure Plan, and maintains adequate surge capabilities to address future unforeseen requirements. This closure allows the Army to employ excess capacities at installations that can accomplish more than administrative missions. The closure also enables the stationing of its tenant units at locations that will increase their ability to associate with like units and promote coordination of efforts. What: Joint Mobilization Sites realign lower threshold mobilization sites to existing large capacity sites and transforms them into Joint Pre-Deployment/ Mobilization Platforms. Why: Joint Mobilization Sites are expected to have the long-term effect of creating pre-deployment/mobilization centers of excellence, leverage economies of scale, reduce costs, and improve service to mobilized servicemembers. This action specifically targets four of the larger capacity mobilization centers located in higher density Reserve Component personnel areas. These platforms have the added military value of strategic location, Power Projection Platform and deployment capabilities. The gaining bases all have an adjoining installation from another service(s), thereby gaining the opportunity to increase partnership and enhance existing joint service facilities and capabilities. Departing Activities: -- Air Force Actions: What: Move 25 C-130 aircraft to Little Rock AFB, Ark. Why: Other than locations where active duty personnel are in a reverse associate organizations with reserve component units, Little Rock AFB will become a single location for CONUS active duty C-130 force structure. This consolidation presents opportunities for efficiency in maintaining an aging aircraft fleet. Additionally, this allows similar consolidations within other weapon systems and facilitates high value recommendations of other services. What: Move 36 A-10 aircraft to Moody AFB, Ga. Why: This consolidation is part of a larger effort to consolidate the A-10 fleet in fewer locations. -- Joint Actions: NONE. |
They may get rid of the fighter squadron all together and move the active duty C130 squadron out and move in the Virginia reserves to operate C130s. I have noticed a lot of people PCSing. We have 29 people total in our shop and 10 of us are PCSing now with no replacements inbound. 
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yeah this shit is out of control why fuck with the 18th airborne and the 82nd this is just fucking wrong. ohhh here is pope afb website pretty interesting what is said on the front page THEY WERE SHOCKED by the move to reallign or better name for it fuck the base over not good i know for one i enjoy seeing the C-17s,C-130,A-10s,AH- 64 apaches,UH-60blackhawks and the chinooks i live in sanford in case any one is wondering and the flight line in from south carolina for the c-17s is right over my house and god is it a site to see them come in at 3 at a time i would hate to lose seeing that site but maybe while bush is here tommorow he can look in to telling the assholes in brac to leave his as pope and bragg have allways been called his first phone call in an emergeny with the way thing are in iran and korea i can see pope playing a big role if things come to a head over there. http://public.pope.amc.af.mil/ |
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Pope is just getting a new owner. It's still going to be there, and still open for business. There is no problem getting any USAF aircraft for training. Gray AAF at Hood was an AFB at one time, and we never had a problem getting anything from OV-10's to AC-130's to C-5s if we needed to train with them, and the only USAF units there are the weather guys. Ft Campbell has the 5th SFG (Airborne) and never has problems getting USAF aircraft to jump from, and there's no USAF units there either. Since the new owners are going to be Ft Bragg itself, they certainly aren't going to have any problem getting transports anytime they need them either. They'll get whatever they want to train with at the time. By consolidating the maintenance though, the USAF will save millions (I shit you not, MILLIONS) of dollars and the aircraft will actually have better availability becasue of maintenance. All Army units have to schedule USAF aricraft the same way. There will actually be no visible difference when the Army units need them. They need an aircraft, and that type of aircarft will be there for them. But by moving the units and consolidating them, the USAF is able to actually save millions by utilizing airframes more efficiently. The Army units will never notice the difference in reality. Ross |
well that is cool but i just dont like the shit they are trying to pull. i mean spec ops command has been very busy over seas and now 18th airborne is the command for all iraq operations so things i think are going smoothly now but we will have to see in the near future if it works. ps i am glad the the to big army commands are moving to bragg/pope they will gain a 4star general plus all the 3 stars brag has already and it does make sense to move the main army command and the reserve command there because bragg trains a lot of the reserve national guard troops i think since 9/11 it has been close to 150,000 troops sheesh that is alot. 
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