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Yesterday 9:09:42 AM EDT
[#1]
When is the next WalMart price hike expected to hit? The first hike was what…early July? Wondering how long those pricing contracts last. 3 months, 4 months, 6 months, annual, etc…
Yesterday 9:15:29 AM EDT
[#2]
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Originally Posted By mursalot:
When is the next WalMart price hike expected to hit? The first hike was what…early July? Wondering how long those pricing contracts last. 3 months, 4 months, 6 months, annual, etc…
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Motorcraft just announced yesterday.  Along with Fuchs.  

If it tracks with motorcraft, we will see an October retail increase.
Direction, not intention, determines destination.

Integrity is the essence of everything successful.
Yesterday 1:15:12 PM EDT
[#3]
Diesel export ban incoming......


Yes/no do you think it will happen.
At this point I'm on the Yes happening.
Yesterday 1:27:36 PM EDT
[#4]
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Originally Posted By stgdz:
Diesel export ban incoming......


Yes/no do you think it will happen.
At this point I'm on the Yes happening.
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If it DOES happen....what's that going to do to the price of diesel fuel, and everything else oil related?  

Yesterday 1:57:19 PM EDT
[#5]
Yes, defence production will be invoked and all exports will be taxed above the profitability point to drive domestic production and supply.  

JMO. In Minecraft.  
Yesterday 2:05:21 PM EDT
[#6]
If a diesel export ban is enacted, the effects will be devastating.

There will be wars. Governments might collapse. I'm not being a doomer- this is just common sense. Common sense to predict it anyway. Apparently not common sense if it has been seriously considered.
Yesterday 2:23:56 PM EDT
[#7]
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Originally Posted By PhuzzyGnu:
If a diesel export ban is enacted, the effects will be devastating.

There will be wars. Governments might collapse. I'm not being a doomer- this is just common sense. Common sense to predict it anyway. Apparently not common sense if it has been seriously considered.
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You mean....more wars?
Yesterday 2:32:28 PM EDT
[#8]
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Originally Posted By PhuzzyGnu:
If a diesel export ban is enacted, the effects will be devastating.

There will be wars. Governments might collapse. I'm not being a doomer- this is just common sense. Common sense to predict it anyway. Apparently not common sense if it has been seriously considered.
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Maybe it'll wake a few people up to the idiocy that is ''green power.''

The only green energy worth a damn for a base load [electricity] is dam's. Guess what green energy source is hated by the greenies? Yup, you guessed it, dams. I guess you could toss nuke into green power but that'll never happen in my lifetime and honestly, they really do need to actually do something with the spent fuel other then leave it in pools.

While green energy [wind and sun] can do some good, it's neither a reliable base load nor a reliable peaker load so in the end, it's a terrible way to run a reliable power grid and the more you rely on it and the less you rely on fossil fuels, the worse the electrical grid will become.
Liberals are a curious mix of communism and fascism, they want to destroy you but want to use your own money to do it.

I'm getting down to the last box, the others have all been destroyed...
Yesterday 6:14:54 PM EDT
[#9]
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Originally Posted By stgdz:
Diesel export ban incoming......


Yes/no do you think it will happen.
At this point I'm on the Yes happening.
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I want/need diesel to be a lot cheaper, but government meddling in markets is a stupid fucking idea. Leave shit alone and let it work itself out, even if it takes demand destruction to do it.
Yesterday 6:26:49 PM EDT
[#10]
Does anyone think this will get europe pumping oil again? I personally doubt it.
World ain't what it seems, is it Gunny?
Yesterday 7:16:19 PM EDT
[#11]
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Originally Posted By fxntime:



Maybe it'll wake a few people up to the idiocy that is ''green power.''

The only green energy worth a damn for a base load [electricity] is dam's. Guess what green energy source is hated by the greenies? Yup, you guessed it, dams. I guess you could toss nuke into green power but that'll never happen in my lifetime and honestly, they really do need to actually do something with the spent fuel other then leave it in pools.

While green energy [wind and sun] can do some good, it's neither a reliable base load nor a reliable peaker load so in the end, it's a terrible way to run a reliable power grid and the more you rely on it and the less you rely on fossil fuels, the worse the electrical grid will become.
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Nuclear power is green.  Works very well.
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Yesterday 7:17:49 PM EDT
[#12]
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:
Does anyone think this will get europe pumping oil again? I personally doubt it.
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"Dealing with Congress is like trying to have an adult conversation about the credit card with your alcoholic bi-polar Ukranian import wife."
Yesterday 8:00:16 PM EDT
[#13]
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Originally Posted By Dopple:
Nuclear power is green.  Works very well.
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It is not green when it produces waste that is dangerous for thousands of years. Even processing the fuel creates Tailings which are isolated from the environment because they contain long-lived radioactive materials in low concentrations and toxic materials such as heavy metals.
Yesterday 8:10:47 PM EDT
[#14]
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Originally Posted By JosephTurrisi:


It is not green when it produces waste that is dangerous for thousands of years. Even processing the fuel creates Tailings which are isolated from the environment because they contain long-lived radioactive materials in low concentrations and toxic materials such as heavy metals.
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Originally Posted By JosephTurrisi:
Originally Posted By Dopple:
Nuclear power is green.  Works very well.


It is not green when it produces waste that is dangerous for thousands of years. Even processing the fuel creates Tailings which are isolated from the environment because they contain long-lived radioactive materials in low concentrations and toxic materials such as heavy metals.

lol, you have a lot to learn about nuclear power.

We Solved Nuclear Waste Decades Ago
Yesterday 8:23:57 PM EDT
[#15]
So what is the answer?

Foxtrot said he took a pay cut when this crap started.  We don't think of you as "big Oil" brother.

He has also pointed out that the oil companies are enjoying a 5x increase in gross per barrel compared to a year ago.  I have been chastised for calling that "Profiteering", so yay free market.  Somebody is making bank.

As soon as anyone suggests any kind of price or export control, I hear that the oil companies will engage in extreme thuggery, closing refineries and causing actual fuel shortages like we had in the 1970's   Many say within weeks of any kind of government action.

WE all seem to agree, that without somehow reducing the price of Diesel, the consumer costs will swing the Midterm elections.  

Someone just suggested just let it play out.   So $10 diesel and $8 gasoline for years?  Ugh.  

At least when the DSA gets elected I will have some fun watching them fuck this up worse.

Yesterday 8:34:02 PM EDT
[#16]
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Originally Posted By victorgonzales:
Found out a couple of old gallons i had for my daughters civic were synthetic blend instead of full.  Put it in to get rid of it.  Should I do 3 k change on that a stuff?
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What's it in, what's the duty cycle, does it have forced induction, how many miles on it?
Why not (\/) (;,,;) (\/) Zoidberg?
Yesterday 8:40:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rick-OShay][Edited] [#17]
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Originally Posted By dirtyboy:

Isn't jet fuel diesel?
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Commercial aviation jet fuel is basically a very pure kerosine with additives to prevent water and wax crystals from plugging the fuel lines at high altitude/low temperature.

Military aviation is a different kettle of fish - still  based on kerosine, but has additional additives: more icing inhibitor, corrosion protection (to protect fuel pumps and regulators on ground equipment that run it instead of diesel, and a static inhibitor, (which I am guessing is to facilitate in-air refueling.)
Why not (\/) (;,,;) (\/) Zoidberg?
Yesterday 8:45:04 PM EDT
[#18]
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Originally Posted By JosephTurrisi:


It is not green when it produces waste that is dangerous for thousands of years. Even processing the fuel creates Tailings which are isolated from the environment because they contain long-lived radioactive materials in low concentrations and toxic materials such as heavy metals.
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You know a coal plant puts out more radioactive waste than a nuke plant, right?
Why not (\/) (;,,;) (\/) Zoidberg?
Yesterday 8:47:21 PM EDT
[#19]
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Originally Posted By JosephTurrisi:


It is not green when it produces waste that is dangerous for thousands of years. Even processing the fuel creates Tailings which are isolated from the environment because they contain long-lived radioactive materials in low concentrations and toxic materials such as heavy metals.
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Are you budgeting for the hazardous waste disposal when your solar panels reach end of life?
Bad things happen in isolated instances in an armed populace, horrific things happen to a disarmed populace. 20th Century Democide https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
Yesterday 8:49:55 PM EDT
[#20]
I scrolled past something today saying that one state (Alabama?  Arkansas?) is allowing dyed off-road diesel to be used in on-road vehicles.
Yesterday 8:51:18 PM EDT
[#21]
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Originally Posted By Dopple:
Nuclear power is green.  Works very well.
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Originally Posted By Dopple:
Originally Posted By fxntime:



Maybe it'll wake a few people up to the idiocy that is ''green power.''

The only green energy worth a damn for a base load [electricity] is dam's. Guess what green energy source is hated by the greenies? Yup, you guessed it, dams. I guess you could toss nuke into green power but that'll never happen in my lifetime and honestly, they really do need to actually do something with the spent fuel other then leave it in pools.

While green energy [wind and sun] can do some good, it's neither a reliable base load nor a reliable peaker load so in the end, it's a terrible way to run a reliable power grid and the more you rely on it and the less you rely on fossil fuels, the worse the electrical grid will become.
Nuclear power is green.  Works very well.


If done right it works well but companies way to often try to be cheap fvcks and fission material isn't something to cheap out on. Also, we SUCK at spent fuel rod storage [and other nuke waste that isn't low level] or recycling. We've have, as a country, done a very poor job in that area. NIMBY strikes again even after God knows how much money has already been spent. Yucca Mountain alone is proof of that.
Liberals are a curious mix of communism and fascism, they want to destroy you but want to use your own money to do it.

I'm getting down to the last box, the others have all been destroyed...
Yesterday 8:58:08 PM EDT
[#22]
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Originally Posted By 6SJ7GT:


Are you budgeting for the hazardous waste disposal when your solar panels reach end of life?
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I don't have any solar panels nor have I ever claimed they were green
Yesterday 8:58:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lorazepam][Edited] [#23]
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Originally Posted By 6SJ7GT:


Are you budgeting for the hazardous waste disposal when your solar panels reach end of life?
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Same as those oil filled wind turbines, and their huge non recycled eagle killing blades.

World ain't what it seems, is it Gunny?
Yesterday 9:11:24 PM EDT
[#24]
GD can sure take a thread off topic.

IT used to be such a clean oil thread.

Keen-Visvesvaraya
Yesterday 9:17:10 PM EDT
[#25]
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Originally Posted By M41A:

lol, you have a lot to learn about nuclear power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aUODXeAM-k
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Nothing in that video changes the facts that I posted
Yesterday 9:20:15 PM EDT
[#26]
I went to Wal Mart today on my lunch break. I was curious to see what I would find on the oil aisle and I wanted to pick up a couple of jugs of M1 Advanced Clean to try. It's still $34 a jug. I was surprised by the Super Tech section. There wasn't much on the shelves. And none of it was Dexos certified. It's all whatever new formulations Warren is using now. The other oils were available and seemed to be stocked okay. I picked up another gallon of diesel oil for my oldest son. I now I have three oil changes for him since he's not stocking any. Sigh.
Yesterday 10:42:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Foxtrot08][Edited] [#27]
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Originally Posted By imq707s:


If it DOES happen....what's that going to do to the price of diesel fuel, and everything else oil related?  

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Originally Posted By imq707s:
Originally Posted By stgdz:
Diesel export ban incoming......


Yes/no do you think it will happen.
At this point I'm on the Yes happening.


If it DOES happen....what's that going to do to the price of diesel fuel, and everything else oil related?  



Our diesel pricing will short term plummet.  


Tankage will fill quickly.  Within days / weeks.  

Gasoline and jet fuel (specifically jet fuel) will go through the roof.  Other ancillary products will sky rocket in prices.

Refineries will then be turned back, because they have too much diesel inventory.  Which will cause shortages of other products.

Globally, the reaction will be hard to judge.  

We will have basically declared economic warfare on the entire globe at that point.  The retaliation… who knows.  It would all be bad.  


I mean this is really a black swan event.

I think something in hindsight that could be done… you all know I don’t like the SPR.  And this shows what I said years ago about the SPR vs refining capacity.

If we were truly concerned about petroleum reserves. We would probably have a .mil run / owned refinery on the east coast & west coast. Maybe one in the center of the U.S. as well, in Oklahoma.

Think about the lake city ammo plant. That, but a refinery.

.mil can own it.  Have a criteria for a private company to run it in non-war time.  The military is the single largest buyer of fuel in the United States.  They can feed themselves. Any extra capacity can be sold into the market via the operator of the refinery.
Direction, not intention, determines destination.

Integrity is the essence of everything successful.
Yesterday 11:11:41 PM EDT
[#28]
Just some minor ranting.


We need to change the energy policy of the government. I’m not saying intervention.  But recognition that petroleum products are the back bone of the American economy. It’s not going away.

We have invested billions if not hundreds of billions of dollars into fake green energy. Whether it’s wind and solar or whatever.  Fine, whatever. I’m not here to argue energy deltas and shit.

Petroleum products aren’t going away.  

We need to get out of the 1970s energy policy.  We are not an import only oil economy.  We are the largest crude producer and the largest LNG producer and exporter in the world.  We could use this as a diplomatic tool around the world.

The bottle neck, now, is refining capacity.  We need to get on footing to be dominant in that.  To do that, we need modernized .gov energy policies.  In any number of ways.  

Using the SPR as active tankage. Not letting it just to be used as a political tool.

Recognizing that refining is key.

Using our advantage in this hemisphere, of crude and gas resources. South America is exploding with new crude development.  Let’s align ourselves as the counter opec.  

Let’s use our resources to make life for the U.S. citizens, cheaper.  Lets stop trying to make energy more expensive.
Direction, not intention, determines destination.

Integrity is the essence of everything successful.
Yesterday 11:34:23 PM EDT
[#29]
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:
Just some minor ranting.


We need to change the energy policy of the government. I’m not saying intervention.  But recognition that petroleum products are the back bone of the American economy. It’s not going away.

We have invested billions if not hundreds of billions of dollars into fake green energy. Whether it’s wind and solar or whatever.  Fine, whatever. I’m not here to argue energy deltas and shit.

Petroleum products aren’t going away.  

We need to get out of the 1970s energy policy.  We are not an import only oil economy.  We are the largest crude producer and the largest LNG producer and exporter in the world.  We could use this as a diplomatic tool around the world.

The bottle neck, now, is refining capacity.  We need to get on footing to be dominant in that.  To do that, we need modernized .gov energy policies.  In any number of ways.  

Using the SPR as active tankage. Not letting it just to be used as a political tool.

Recognizing that refining is key.

Using our advantage in this hemisphere, of crude and gas resources. South America is exploding with new crude development.  Let’s align ourselves as the counter opec.  

Let’s use our resources to make life for the U.S. citizens, cheaper.  Lets stop trying to make energy more expensive.
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Got my vote.

When’s your campaign begin?
Yesterday 11:38:35 PM EDT
[#30]
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Originally Posted By JustANumber:
I scrolled past something today saying that one state (Alabama?  Arkansas?) is allowing dyed off-road diesel to be used in on-road vehicles.
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You'll see trade bans before THAT happens!
Yesterday 11:46:34 PM EDT
[#31]
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:
Just some minor ranting.


We need to change the energy policy of the government. I’m not saying intervention.  But recognition that petroleum products are the back bone of the American economy. It’s not going away.

We have invested billions if not hundreds of billions of dollars into fake green energy. Whether it’s wind and solar or whatever.  Fine, whatever. I’m not here to argue energy deltas and shit.

Petroleum products aren’t going away.  

We need to get out of the 1970s energy policy.  We are not an import only oil economy.  We are the largest crude producer and the largest LNG producer and exporter in the world.  We could use this as a diplomatic tool around the world.

The bottle neck, now, is refining capacity.  We need to get on footing to be dominant in that.  To do that, we need modernized .gov energy policies.  In any number of ways.  

Using the SPR as active tankage. Not letting it just to be used as a political tool.

Recognizing that refining is key.

Using our advantage in this hemisphere, of crude and gas resources. South America is exploding with new crude development.  Let’s align ourselves as the counter opec.  

Let’s use our resources to make life for the U.S. citizens, cheaper.  Lets stop trying to make energy more expensive.
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A lot of the governments decisions make a lot more sense if you stop thinking that they care about what is best for the country and US citizens.
Yesterday 11:47:13 PM EDT
[#32]
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Originally Posted By M41A:

A lot of the governments decisions make a lot more sense if you stop thinking that they care about what is best for the country and US citizens.
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Originally Posted By M41A:
Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:
Just some minor ranting.


We need to change the energy policy of the government. I’m not saying intervention.  But recognition that petroleum products are the back bone of the American economy. It’s not going away.

We have invested billions if not hundreds of billions of dollars into fake green energy. Whether it’s wind and solar or whatever.  Fine, whatever. I’m not here to argue energy deltas and shit.

Petroleum products aren’t going away.  

We need to get out of the 1970s energy policy.  We are not an import only oil economy.  We are the largest crude producer and the largest LNG producer and exporter in the world.  We could use this as a diplomatic tool around the world.

The bottle neck, now, is refining capacity.  We need to get on footing to be dominant in that.  To do that, we need modernized .gov energy policies.  In any number of ways.  

Using the SPR as active tankage. Not letting it just to be used as a political tool.

Recognizing that refining is key.

Using our advantage in this hemisphere, of crude and gas resources. South America is exploding with new crude development.  Let’s align ourselves as the counter opec.  

Let’s use our resources to make life for the U.S. citizens, cheaper.  Lets stop trying to make energy more expensive.

A lot of the governments decisions make a lot more sense if you stop thinking that they care about what is best for the country and US citizens.


Oh, I completely agree.

Just a rant.
Direction, not intention, determines destination.

Integrity is the essence of everything successful.
Today 1:10:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: victorgonzales][Edited] [#33]
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Originally Posted By Rick-OShay:



What's it in, what's the duty cycle, does it have forced induction, how many miles on it?
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It's just a stock 2002 ex. D17 145k miles mostly highway.  My daughter drives like a grandma. It's Valvoline high mileage synthetic blend.    Typically do full synthetic with 5k changes on that car.  Haven't used a non full synthetic as long as I can remember so not sure if those are 3k oils
¯\_(?)_/¯
Today 1:18:59 AM EDT
[#34]
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:
Just some minor ranting.


We need to change the energy policy of the government. I'm not saying intervention.  But recognition that petroleum products are the back bone of the American economy. It's not going away.

We have invested billions if not hundreds of billions of dollars into fake green energy. Whether it's wind and solar or whatever.  Fine, whatever. I'm not here to argue energy deltas and shit.

Petroleum products aren't going away.  

We need to get out of the 1970s energy policy.  We are not an import only oil economy.  We are the largest crude producer and the largest LNG producer and exporter in the world.  We could use this as a diplomatic tool around the world.

The bottle neck, now, is refining capacity.  We need to get on footing to be dominant in that.  To do that, we need modernized .gov energy policies.  In any number of ways.  

Using the SPR as active tankage. Not letting it just to be used as a political tool.

Recognizing that refining is key.

Using our advantage in this hemisphere, of crude and gas resources. South America is exploding with new crude development.  Let's align ourselves as the counter opec.  

Let's use our resources to make life for the U.S. citizens, cheaper.  Lets stop trying to make energy more expensive.
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Yes. Our country should NEVER be at the mercy of bullshit overseas on energy or any other critical materials with our level of resources.

As for the anti oil people, I always get a chuckle when I post a list of daily use products made with petrochemicals.  Literally everything.  And ask.of they would enjoy paying exponentially more to squeeze oils out of hemp to make all this shit.
¯\_(?)_/¯
Today 6:39:36 AM EDT
[#35]
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Originally Posted By fxntime:



Maybe it'll wake a few people up to the idiocy that is ''green power.''

The only green energy worth a damn for a base load [electricity] is dam's. Guess what green energy source is hated by the greenies? Yup, you guessed it, dams. I guess you could toss nuke into green power but that'll never happen in my lifetime and honestly, they really do need to actually do something with the spent fuel other then leave it in pools.

While green energy [wind and sun] can do some good, it's neither a reliable base load nor a reliable peaker load so in the end, it's a terrible way to run a reliable power grid and the more you rely on it and the less you rely on fossil fuels, the worse the electrical grid will become.
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Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By PhuzzyGnu:
If a diesel export ban is enacted, the effects will be devastating.

There will be wars. Governments might collapse. I'm not being a doomer- this is just common sense. Common sense to predict it anyway. Apparently not common sense if it has been seriously considered.



Maybe it'll wake a few people up to the idiocy that is ''green power.''

The only green energy worth a damn for a base load [electricity] is dam's. Guess what green energy source is hated by the greenies? Yup, you guessed it, dams. I guess you could toss nuke into green power but that'll never happen in my lifetime and honestly, they really do need to actually do something with the spent fuel other then leave it in pools.

While green energy [wind and sun] can do some good, it's neither a reliable base load nor a reliable peaker load so in the end, it's a terrible way to run a reliable power grid and the more you rely on it and the less you rely on fossil fuels, the worse the electrical grid will become.




Nuclear is the greenest.  Dams cause environmental upset, blocking spawning passages, etc...
I love a good double entendre.
Today 6:43:17 AM EDT
[#36]
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Originally Posted By JustANumber:
I scrolled past something today saying that one state (Alabama?  Arkansas?) is allowing dyed off-road diesel to be used in on-road vehicles.
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They should just stop the tax for a period of time.  That's dumb.  Diesel drivers may be screwed when they cross the state line.
I love a good double entendre.
Today 6:49:03 AM EDT
[#37]
Our local station is usually competitive with all the other stations around. They jumped 20 cents yesterday.

I filled my transfer tank for $6.62/gallon.
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Today 7:31:12 AM EDT
[#38]
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Originally Posted By fxntime:


If done right it works well but companies way to often try to be cheap fvcks and fission material isn't something to cheap out on. Also, we SUCK at spent fuel rod storage [and other nuke waste that isn't low level] or recycling. We've have, as a country, done a very poor job in that area. NIMBY strikes again even after God knows how much money has already been spent. Yucca Mountain alone is proof of that.
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The spent rods a Ginna are just stored on site.  They don't take up much room.  It's not like trying to dispose of wind turbine blades or something.
Award: 24/365 Most likely to be an appendix.

"Dealing with Congress is like trying to have an adult conversation about the credit card with your alcoholic bi-polar Ukranian import wife."
Today 7:31:42 AM EDT
[#39]
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Don't forget that wind turbines have diesel generators in them, at least in Pennsylvania.
Award: 24/365 Most likely to be an appendix.

"Dealing with Congress is like trying to have an adult conversation about the credit card with your alcoholic bi-polar Ukranian import wife."
Today 7:50:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TexCorriente][Edited] [#40]
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:


Our diesel pricing will short term plummet.  


Tankage will fill quickly.  Within days / weeks.  

Gasoline and jet fuel (specifically jet fuel) will go through the roof.  Other ancillary products will sky rocket in prices.

Refineries will then be turned back, because they have too much diesel inventory.  Which will cause shortages of other products.

Globally, the reaction will be hard to judge.  

We will have basically declared economic warfare on the entire globe at that point.  The retaliation… who knows.  It would all be bad.  


I mean this is really a black swan event.

I think something in hindsight that could be done… you all know I don’t like the SPR.  And this shows what I said years ago about the SPR vs refining capacity.

If we were truly concerned about petroleum reserves. We would probably have a .mil run / owned refinery on the east coast & west coast. Maybe one in the center of the U.S. as well, in Oklahoma.

Think about the lake city ammo plant. That, but a refinery.

.mil can own it.  Have a criteria for a private company to run it in non-war time.  The military is the single largest buyer of fuel in the United States.  They can feed themselves. Any extra capacity can be sold into the market via the operator of the refinery.
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The government-owned, military controlled refinery thing is something I have thought about for a while now. It makes sense to me, but I do not have a strong background in economics or government to call out the pitfalls.  
Greenies would hate it of course.

But there could be real social benefits. Enlisting in the military as a refinery worker or chemical engineer could make service more attractive to some good people. My impression of civilian nuke plants is that their backbone is ex Military reactor guys.
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Today 8:14:45 AM EDT
[#41]
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Originally Posted By Dopple:
The spent rods a Ginna are just stored on site.  They don't take up much room.  It's not like trying to dispose of wind turbine blades or something.
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Originally Posted By Dopple:
Originally Posted By fxntime:


If done right it works well but companies way to often try to be cheap fvcks and fission material isn't something to cheap out on. Also, we SUCK at spent fuel rod storage [and other nuke waste that isn't low level] or recycling. We've have, as a country, done a very poor job in that area. NIMBY strikes again even after God knows how much money has already been spent. Yucca Mountain alone is proof of that.
The spent rods a Ginna are just stored on site.  They don't take up much room.  It's not like trying to dispose of wind turbine blades or something.


I know they are but that was never supposed to be more then a temporary solution until a permanent depository was built and opened. Leaving spent fuel rods sitting in pools all over the country for decades is asinine.
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Today 8:54:03 AM EDT
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Just some minor ranting.


We need to change the energy policy of the government. I'm not saying intervention.  But recognition that petroleum products are the back bone of the American economy. It's not going away.

We have invested billions if not hundreds of billions of dollars into fake green energy. Whether it's wind and solar or whatever.  Fine, whatever. I'm not here to argue energy deltas and shit.

Petroleum products aren't going away.  

We need to get out of the 1970s energy policy.  We are not an import only oil economy.  We are the largest crude producer and the largest LNG producer and exporter in the world.  We could use this as a diplomatic tool around the world.

The bottle neck, now, is refining capacity.  We need to get on footing to be dominant in that.  To do that, we need modernized .gov energy policies.  In any number of ways.  

Using the SPR as active tankage. Not letting it just to be used as a political tool.

Recognizing that refining is key.

Using our advantage in this hemisphere, of crude and gas resources. South America is exploding with new crude development.  Let's align ourselves as the counter opec.  

Let's use our resources to make life for the U.S. citizens, cheaper.  Lets stop trying to make energy more expensive.
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One comforting thought is that at least we HAVE oil. What's insane is that countries like Germany (which I am most familiar with) that are completely destroying their energy infrastructure in the name of the green death cult. They are fractured even worse than we are, and there is nothing on the horizon to help them reverse course.

I listen to news from my home country every day, so I'm pretty current on the political climate. The energy crisis is hitting them pretty hard. Gasoline is around 2.20 Euros/liter. That's about $9.64/gal. Even for Germany, that is very expensive and people are angry. The consensus of the talking heads? It would be WRONG to provide relief at the pump by lowering taxes temporarily because it would most benefit the people who can afford it, and it would send the wrong signal that driving is good and might affect the transition to electric.

Yes, I'm serious. Here's the problem: Electricity is $0.39 per kWh in Germany, which puts Germany in the top of electricity prices in all of Europe. Let's say they all switch to electric cars - that's going to make electricity even more expensive, and they'd have the same problem most of the Western world does: The infrastructure isn't there to support a massive increase in electricity demand. Meanwhile, they're SHUTTING DOWN fossil fuel power plants. It's absolutely insane. The German economy is built on manufacturing and has some industries that use a lot of power. They are literally destroying their own economy in a way that is incomprehensible to most Americans. There's not even a remote chance that anything will change. The population is super fractured like we are, and moving to more extremes on the left and the right - a guarantee for gridlock.

It's not good here in the US, but at least we're not off as bad as them. I'll be in Germany in a week and not looking forward to fueling up my rental car.
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Today 9:10:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:
One comforting thought is that at least we HAVE oil. What's insane is that countries like Germany (which I am most familiar with) that are completely destroying their energy infrastructure in the name of the green death cult. They are fractured even worse than we are, and there is nothing on the horizon to help them reverse course.

I listen to news from my home country every day, so I'm pretty current on the political climate. The energy crisis is hitting them pretty hard. Gasoline is around 2.20 Euros/liter. That's about $9.64/gal. Even for Germany, that is very expensive and people are angry. The consensus of the talking heads? It would be WRONG to provide relief at the pump by lowering taxes temporarily because it would most benefit the people who can afford it, and it would send the wrong signal that driving is good and might affect the transition to electric.

Yes, I'm serious. Here's the problem: Electricity is $0.39 per kWh in Germany, which puts Germany in the top of electricity prices in all of Europe. Let's say they all switch to electric cars - that's going to make electricity even more expensive, and they'd have the same problem most of the Western world does: The infrastructure isn't there to support a massive increase in electricity demand. Meanwhile, they're SHUTTING DOWN fossil fuel power plants. It's absolutely insane. The German economy is built on manufacturing and has some industries that use a lot of power. They are literally destroying their own economy in a way that is incomprehensible to most Americans. There's not even a remote chance that anything will change. The population is super fractured like we are, and moving to more extremes on the left and the right - a guarantee for gridlock.

It's not good here in the US, but at least we're not off as bad as them. I'll be in Germany in a week and not looking forward to fueling up my rental car.
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economies are just one form or another of condensed energy.  The history of standards of living tracks the cost of energy very closely.  Petroleum and nuclear are the densest, cheapest most reliable sources of energy we have.  Divesting a nation of those two resources is literal economic suicide.

its so obvious that it makes me think there is no stopping it in Germany. If they haven't seen the reality yet, they aren't going to. Where does the AFD fall on the topic?  Is there real political change in Germany or is it hype?

Today 9:11:55 AM EDT
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They should be reprocessing spent fuel then burning it up in reactors. Not only do you get a little more energy out of “burning” the waste but it gets converted into isotopes with much shorter half lives which makes storage a much shorter term affair. Carter knew this and he purposely banned spent fuel reprocessing to make nuclear energy more difficult/expensive to try to get rid of it.
Today 9:14:54 AM EDT
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I have also noticed everyone is blaming Iran for high diesel prices while the Russia/ukraine war is a big part of the problem. Russian diesel exports are down due to refinery damage which is driving additional demand for diesel from other sources.
Today 9:56:57 AM EDT
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I know they are but that was never supposed to be more then a temporary solution until a permanent depository was built and opened. Leaving spent fuel rods sitting in pools all over the country for decades is asinine.
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If done right it works well but companies way to often try to be cheap fvcks and fission material isn't something to cheap out on. Also, we SUCK at spent fuel rod storage [and other nuke waste that isn't low level] or recycling. We've have, as a country, done a very poor job in that area. NIMBY strikes again even after God knows how much money has already been spent. Yucca Mountain alone is proof of that.
The spent rods a Ginna are just stored on site.  They don't take up much room.  It's not like trying to dispose of wind turbine blades or something.


I know they are but that was never supposed to be more then a temporary solution until a permanent depository was built and opened. Leaving spent fuel rods sitting in pools all over the country for decades is asinine.
Regulation and enviro-weenies are to blame for that.
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Today 10:01:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dopple:
Regulation and enviro-weenies are to blame for that.
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If done right it works well but companies way to often try to be cheap fvcks and fission material isn't something to cheap out on. Also, we SUCK at spent fuel rod storage [and other nuke waste that isn't low level] or recycling. We've have, as a country, done a very poor job in that area. NIMBY strikes again even after God knows how much money has already been spent. Yucca Mountain alone is proof of that.
The spent rods a Ginna are just stored on site.  They don't take up much room.  It's not like trying to dispose of wind turbine blades or something.


I know they are but that was never supposed to be more then a temporary solution until a permanent depository was built and opened. Leaving spent fuel rods sitting in pools all over the country for decades is asinine.
Regulation and enviro-weenies are to blame for that.


.......And politicians.......... Yucca basically being shut down was all about the politicians caving to the eco-weenies.
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Today 10:11:30 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By wrc777:
They should be reprocessing spent fuel then burning it up in reactors. Not only do you get a little more energy out of “burning” the waste but it gets converted into isotopes with much shorter half lives which makes storage a much shorter term affair. Carter knew this and he purposely banned spent fuel reprocessing to make nuclear energy more difficult/expensive to try to get rid of it.
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Carter was a shithead.
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Today 10:17:04 AM EDT
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I have also noticed everyone is blaming Iran for high diesel prices while the Russia/ukraine war is a big part of the problem. Russian diesel exports are down due to refinery damage which is driving additional demand for diesel from other sources.
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It's a shame when murderous assholes control the oil. Russia would be pumping plenty if they hadn't attacked their neighbor.
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Today 10:55:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:

It's a shame when murderous assholes control the oil. Russia would be pumping plenty if they hadn't attacked their neighbor.
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The reason they attacked goes back further than a few years ago.
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