[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Fifth-Columnists Among Us... (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 11/10/2009 9:33:14 PM EDT
LinkWith 10.2% Unemployment, These Groups Are Lobbying For More Foreign Workers (give them a call) Every month, we get more terrible unemployment news. (Now, we hear the official unemployment rate has hit 10.2%!) And every month, I must call on Americans to force the nation's elite leaders to answer why they insist on importing 125,000 working-age foreign citizens each month. Below is the list of elites working against jobless Americans and their families. If you are associated with the following groups, you need to ask your leaders to stop assaulting the unemployed Americans in their membership. 10.2% Unemployment Not High Enough –– Leaders of These Groups Want More Foreign Workers On average, the feds are handing out first-time work permits to about 125,000 working-age foreign citizens EACH MONTH. About half of those are temporary, and about half of them are permanent work permits (green cards). The leaders of the following groups not only approve of potentially taking 125,000 jobs away from American workers each month, they are lobbying to dramatically increase immigration numbers. All of these groups are pushing for "comprehensive immigration reform." That means they want to give permanent work permits to around 12 million illegal aliens. It also means that they want to increase the number of legal immigrants brought in for permanent work permits by hundreds of thousands a year. Feel free to call the phone numbers belwo and ask these elite national leaderships why they prefer giving jobs to foreign workers instead of to millions of unemployed Americans. LOBBYING FOR MORE FOREIGN WORKERS Every one of these large organization is pushing Congress to pass "comprehensive immigration reform" that would increase the number of foreign workers to take jobs from Americans:
Here are some smaller organizations with leaders pushing to keep American workers from having the manufacturing, service and construction jobs held by an estimated 7 million illegal aliens –– and also lobbying for increases in future foreign workers.
Don't let any of these elite leaderships off the hook. They are in little danger of being washed out of their jobs by the immigration flood. So, it may be easy for them to posture as global humanitarians while rolling the dice on your job. To be fair, I can't imagine that any of these leaderships are supporting "comprehensive immigration reform" to throw Americans out of work. They aren't that evil. But they are that callous –– so callous that they pursue their other agendas through immigration policy and refuse to pay attention to the millions of Americans and their families who are left without a job because of it. It doesn't matter what their intentions are, the result of their support of present immigration numbers and for legislation to increase the numbers destroys the economic lives of American workers. Our job as American citizens who are related to any of those organizations in any way is to force them to face up to what they are doing to Americans who work for a living –– or who used to. ROY BECK is Founder & CEO of NumbersUSA |
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If someone in another country wants to come here and work, who are you to tell them they can't? Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Go to the British Virgin Islands and Jamaica among other places and see if you will be allowed to compete with the locals for a job. Spend your money there; yes. Work; uh, uh. |
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If someone in another country wants to come here and work, who are you to tell them they can't? Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? the LAW tells them they can't it's an interesting concept, but if applied correctly it actually works! 
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Quoted: If someone in another country wants to come here and work, who are you to tell them they can't? Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? I have a moral right as an American to have a say in which foreigners are allowed into my country, how many, and for what purpose. Man is not just an economic being. He is primarily a social and political being and will act accordingly. |
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Do they? No. They don't. If an American would bargain freely for these jobs, then they wouldn't be "given" to a "damn dirty furriner." But that's the point. Americans AREN'T taking these jobs. At least not at the wages offered. So rather than compete in a free marketplace, Americans are demanding that employers be FORCED to raise wages rather than hire people who are willing to take these jobs at the wage offered. Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American. For all your talk of freedom, you're just a bunch of big government loving socialists who can't stand competition. Go run to momma government since you can't stand the heat. |
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If someone in another country wants to come here and work, who are you to tell them they can't? Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? I am an American citizen. That is who... If you are as well, check your attitude. If you are not, go home and let an American fill the slot. Too bad that doesn't guarantee you a right to a job. In fact, all being an American does is guarantee you'll be taxed to death by Obama. |
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Do they? No. They don't. If an American would bargain freely for these jobs, then they wouldn't be "given" to a "damn dirty furriner." But that's the point. Americans AREN'T taking these jobs. At least not at the wages offered. So rather than compete in a free marketplace, Americans are demanding that employers be FORCED to raise wages rather than hire people who are willing to take these jobs at the wage offered. Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American. For all your talk of freedom, you're just a bunch of big government loving socialists who can't stand competition. Go run to momma government since you can't stand the heat. You make ME ashamed. It's exactly this type of attitude that is giving our country away. Why would an employer offer wages compatible with American living standards if he can hire a cheap migrant? |
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Do they? No. They don't. If an American would bargain freely for these jobs, then they wouldn't be "given" to a "damn dirty furriner." But that's the point. Americans AREN'T taking these jobs. At least not at the wages offered. So rather than compete in a free marketplace, Americans are demanding that employers be FORCED to raise wages rather than hire people who are willing to take these jobs at the wage offered. Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American. For all your talk of freedom, you're just a bunch of big government loving socialists who can't stand competition. Go run to momma government since you can't stand the heat. I can echo your comments. Americans are suffering but your insufferable and superior attitude speaks volumes. You are evidently as anti-American as they come. Wanting to reserve jobs for Americans is something to be ashamed of? No one bloody said they should be handed out as patronage or as a socialist sop to the masses. You have a screwed up attitude, and I predict someday you'll rue your words. Ashamed indeed, socialist? Big Government-loving? You're twisted. You know there's a CRAP ton of jobs available right? The only reason unemployment is high is because it's so easy to live off of unemployment and welfare. In fact, you could slot illegals in, and there would STILL be jobs available. |
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You know there's a CRAP ton of jobs available right? The only reason unemployment is high is because it's so easy to live off of unemployment and welfare. In fact, you could slot illegals in, and there would STILL be jobs available. Don't let reality get in the way of your ideology. 
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Do they? No. They don't. If an American would bargain freely for these jobs, then they wouldn't be "given" to a "damn dirty furriner." But that's the point. Americans AREN'T taking these jobs. At least not at the wages offered. So rather than compete in a free marketplace, Americans are demanding that employers be FORCED to raise wages rather than hire people who are willing to take these jobs at the wage offered. Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American. For all your talk of freedom, you're just a bunch of big government loving socialists who can't stand competition. Go run to momma government since you can't stand the heat. And the reason the illegals take the job is because (1) they live off the grid and don't pay taxes; and (2) they tolerate horrible standards of living because it is a temporary arrangement for them. In other words, they violate the law in order to unfairly compete against Americans who want to live here permanently and follow the tax code. |
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Do they? No. They don't. If an American would bargain freely for these jobs, then they wouldn't be "given" to a "damn dirty furriner." But that's the point. Americans AREN'T taking these jobs. At least not at the wages offered. So rather than compete in a free marketplace, Americans are demanding that employers be FORCED to raise wages rather than hire people who are willing to take these jobs at the wage offered. Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American. For all your talk of freedom, you're just a bunch of big government loving socialists who can't stand competition. Go run to momma government since you can't stand the heat. You make ME ashamed. It's exactly this type of attitude that is giving our country away. Why would an employer offer wages compatible with American living standards if he can hire a cheap migrant? Don't like what he's offering, don't take the job. Go find a different one. Or work for yourself. By stomping the ground and crying that the government needs to prohibit "dirty furriners" from competing with you, you're tacitly admitting that Americans need to be protected from competition. And you're also ensuring that your fellow citizens will have a LOWER standard of living by being forced to subsidize the inefficiency of an employee who is insulated from the big bad world. Or did you think those higher wages just grew on the magic money tree? Sorry folks, I'm all out of subtlety. You are your own worst enemies. Take offense all you like but it won't change reality. |
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Do they? No. They don't. If an American would bargain freely for these jobs, then they wouldn't be "given" to a "damn dirty furriner." But that's the point. Americans AREN'T taking these jobs. At least not at the wages offered. So rather than compete in a free marketplace, Americans are demanding that employers be FORCED to raise wages rather than hire people who are willing to take these jobs at the wage offered. Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American. For all your talk of freedom, you're just a bunch of big government loving socialists who can't stand competition. Go run to momma government since you can't stand the heat. And the reason the illegals take the job is because (1) they live off the grid and don't pay taxes; and (2) they tolerate horrible standards of living because it is a temporary arrangement for them. In other words, they violate the law in order to unfairly compete against Americans who want to live here permanently and follow the tax code. What's stopping you from living off the grid and not paying taxes? If they can do it, why can't you? |
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If someone in another country wants to come here and work, who are you to tell them they can't? Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? No, but no one has a right to immigrate to the US, it's a privilege, also, immigration control authorities DO have a right to tell someone they may not enter our country. |
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You know there's a CRAP ton of jobs available right? The only reason unemployment is high is because it's so easy to live off of unemployment and welfare. In fact, you could slot illegals in, and there would STILL be jobs available. Don't let reality get in the way of your ideology. Well, in my neck of the woods there's at least 2-3000 jobs available just on craigslist. So, figure 1/3 of that is very specialized, 1/3 bogus, that still leaves maybe 1000 jobs for the average person. But, most people I know who are unemployed are making more off unemployment right now (from losing high paying jobs) than they would make starting out with a new job. Thats my observation, not ideology. My ideology is completely different. |
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If someone in another country wants to come here and work, who are you to tell them they can't? Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? L.O.L. And http://blog.vdare.com/ is always writing about this subject. For the record, the American taxpayer has to foot the bill for immigration, not the corporations that benefit from it, and those Churches should be taxed for meddling in politics. |
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If someone in another country wants to come here and work, who are you to tell them they can't? Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? No, but no one has a right to immigrate to the US, it's a privilege, also, immigration control authorities DO have a right to tell someone they may not enter our country. And if those slack jawed civil servant pea brains had been around in the 18th and 19th centuries, we'd likely be a much poorer and dumber country now. |
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You know there's a CRAP ton of jobs available right? The only reason unemployment is high is because it's so easy to live off of unemployment and welfare. In fact, you could slot illegals in, and there would STILL be jobs available. Don't let reality get in the way of your ideology. Well, in my neck of the woods there's at least 2-3000 jobs available just on craigslist. So, figure 1/3 of that is very specialized, 1/3 bogus, that still leaves maybe 1000 jobs for the average person. But, most people I know who are unemployed are making more off unemployment right now (from losing high paying jobs) than they would make starting out with a new job. Thats my observation, not ideology. My ideology is completely different. A smart man would figure out a way to work a new job and continue drawing unemployment at the same time. Yes, I'm very cynical right now. Keep the fodder coming. |
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Do they? No. They don't. If an American would bargain freely for these jobs, then they wouldn't be "given" to a "damn dirty furriner." But that's the point. Americans AREN'T taking these jobs. At least not at the wages offered. So rather than compete in a free marketplace, Americans are demanding that employers be FORCED to raise wages rather than hire people who are willing to take these jobs at the wage offered. Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American. For all your talk of freedom, you're just a bunch of big government loving socialists who can't stand competition. Go run to momma government since you can't stand the heat. you are talking about letting a market influence come in that is just as unnatural as .gov influence. Letting an illegal into our country is no different than someone homesteading on your property. Sounds good in theory like hippy love and all that because that's exactly what it is. Open borders and all are part of the 1 world socialist mindset. |
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Do they? No. They don't. If an American would bargain freely for these jobs, then they wouldn't be "given" to a "damn dirty furriner." But that's the point. Americans AREN'T taking these jobs. At least not at the wages offered. So rather than compete in a free marketplace, Americans are demanding that employers be FORCED to raise wages rather than hire people who are willing to take these jobs at the wage offered. Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American. For all your talk of freedom, you're just a bunch of big government loving socialists who can't stand competition. Go run to momma government since you can't stand the heat. so where do illegals fit into your rant? |
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Do they? No. They don't. If an American would bargain freely for these jobs, then they wouldn't be "given" to a "damn dirty furriner." But that's the point. Americans AREN'T taking these jobs. At least not at the wages offered. So rather than compete in a free marketplace, Americans are demanding that employers be FORCED to raise wages rather than hire people who are willing to take these jobs at the wage offered. Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American. For all your talk of freedom, you're just a bunch of big government loving socialists who can't stand competition. Go run to momma government since you can't stand the heat. you are talking about letting a market influence come in that is just as unnatural as .gov influence. Letting an illegal into our country is no different than someone homesteading on your property. Sounds good in theory like hippy love and all that because that's exactly what it is. Open borders and all are part of the 1 world socialist mindset. I don't own America. Nor do you. America != your private property. The analogy that an illegal immigrant is like someone squatting on your land is erroneous. Free market competition is not socialism. In fact, it's quite the opposite. And no, there is no such thing as an artificial market influence based on free individuals wanting to deal with other (loudly claiming to be) free individuals for work. |
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Do they? No. They don't. If an American would bargain freely for these jobs, then they wouldn't be "given" to a "damn dirty furriner." But that's the point. Americans AREN'T taking these jobs. At least not at the wages offered. So rather than compete in a free marketplace, Americans are demanding that employers be FORCED to raise wages rather than hire people who are willing to take these jobs at the wage offered. Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American. For all your talk of freedom, you're just a bunch of big government loving socialists who can't stand competition. Go run to momma government since you can't stand the heat. you are talking about letting a market influence come in that is just as unnatural as .gov influence. Letting an illegal into our country is no different than someone homesteading on your property. Sounds good in theory like hippy love and all that because that's exactly what it is. Open borders and all are part of the 1 world socialist mindset. I don't own America. Nor do you. America != your private property. The analogy that an illegal immigrant is like someone squatting on your land is erroneous. Free market competition is not socialism. In fact, it's quite the opposite. And no, there is no such thing as an artificial market influence based on free individuals wanting to deal with other (loudly claiming to be) free individuals for work. Why honk the freedom horn? Who wants to condemn any American citizen from being able to get a job? No one. Yes, we do. It is us and we decide what we will allow and what we will not. |
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More people is always a good thing. Only the short sighted and ignorant are against more people coming to America. Besides, we gotta replace the 50 million Americans we've murdered somehow. Wrong, too many people and you cannot afford to support yourself. The population of China has hurt them a lot. Each person will need to consume a certain amount and you eventually reach limits. |
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I don't own America. Nor do you. America != your private property. The analogy that an illegal immigrant is like someone squatting on your land is erroneous. Free market competition is not socialism. In fact, it's quite the opposite. And no, there is no such thing as an artificial market influence based on free individuals wanting to deal with other (loudly claiming to be) free individuals for work. America is mine until someone with a bigger gun takes it from me. The way of the world. 
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Do they? No. They don't. If an American would bargain freely for these jobs, then they wouldn't be "given" to a "damn dirty furriner." But that's the point. Americans AREN'T taking these jobs. At least not at the wages offered. So rather than compete in a free marketplace, Americans are demanding that employers be FORCED to raise wages rather than hire people who are willing to take these jobs at the wage offered. Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American. For all your talk of freedom, you're just a bunch of big government loving socialists who can't stand competition. Go run to momma government since you can't stand the heat. you are talking about letting a market influence come in that is just as unnatural as .gov influence. Letting an illegal into our country is no different than someone homesteading on your property. Sounds good in theory like hippy love and all that because that's exactly what it is. Open borders and all are part of the 1 world socialist mindset. I don't own America. Nor do you. America != your private property. The analogy that an illegal immigrant is like someone squatting on your land is erroneous. Free market competition is not socialism. In fact, it's quite the opposite. And no, there is no such thing as an artificial market influence based on free individuals wanting to deal with other (loudly claiming to be) free individuals for work. Why honk the freedom horn? Who wants to condemn any American citizen from being able to get a job? No one. Yes, we do. It is us and we decide what we will allow and what we will not. So you've decided that it is your business whom your fellow Americans hire? |
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Do they? No. They don't. If an American would bargain freely for these jobs, then they wouldn't be "given" to a "damn dirty furriner." But that's the point. Americans AREN'T taking these jobs. At least not at the wages offered. So rather than compete in a free marketplace, Americans are demanding that employers be FORCED to raise wages rather than hire people who are willing to take these jobs at the wage offered. Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American. For all your talk of freedom, you're just a bunch of big government loving socialists who can't stand competition. Go run to momma government since you can't stand the heat. you are talking about letting a market influence come in that is just as unnatural as .gov influence. Letting an illegal into our country is no different than someone homesteading on your property. Sounds good in theory like hippy love and all that because that's exactly what it is. Open borders and all are part of the 1 world socialist mindset. I don't own America. Nor do you. America != your private property. The analogy that an illegal immigrant is like someone squatting on your land is erroneous. Free market competition is not socialism. In fact, it's quite the opposite. And no, there is no such thing as an artificial market influence based on free individuals wanting to deal with other (loudly claiming to be) free individuals for work. Why honk the freedom horn? Who wants to condemn any American citizen from being able to get a job? No one. Yes, we do. It is us and we decide what we will allow and what we will not. So you've decided that it is your business whom your fellow Americans hire? you have decided that you will pick and choose which laws to enforce? the point is, they would not be hired if they were not here. period. ETA: Market influences come in many shapes and forms. You have chosen to allow one form of market influence. This is the problem with libertarians. You have to realize, that it is unworkable. What you think does not hinder people, these extra "freedoms" that are pulled out of someones ass, they have to infringe on someone else to do that. You cannot do anything you want and it have no affect on other people. A 1 world government with no borders and all that will lead to us losing more and more freedoms here to give make believe freedoms to others. |
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More people is always a good thing. Only the short sighted and ignorant are against more people coming to America. Besides, we gotta replace the 50 million Americans we've murdered somehow.
If you've paid any attention to this issue at all, and clearly you haven't, you'd know that immigration over the last 20 years has fueled an unprecedented drain on our resources and our taxes. The immigrants pouring into our country are mostly uneducated, unskilled, and illiterate. They take far more out of society than they put back in. Their children require far more money to educate than our children, yet still rank highest in dropping out of school, and rank lowest in test scores. The communities that have been conquered by these third world refugees are noted for lawlessness, chaos, and a much lower level of production. Frankly, it's impossible for me to believe that anyone could hold your views and be the slightest bit familiar with what's happening in California. |
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We have a list of organizations that support bringing people into the country to work but the list never got broken down into what each organization was doing to get this done or how they support it. My best guess is that an organization would want a foreign worker because foreigners most often come without a sense of entitlement. This thread REAKS of entitlement mentality. I see jobs posted everyday in my daily travels and I am not looking for them. If I can start at the bottom and mop floors for $8.50 or stuff chicken nuggest into a box for $6.50 then so can you! There is a Kroger up the road that has needed a butcher for over a YEAR. GNC across town has been hiring for 9 months. Taco Bell cant hang enough signs in the window. Did you know you can make $35,000 a year being a Taco Bell store manager? If your too good for these jobs then get your foot in the door, swallow your misplaced price, and work your way up. 10.2% my ass. Some people don't want it enough, or feel they are to qualified for work. The best is when someone says "They just bought all new computers and then laid me off!" That's right! Your job got replaced by machines!!! Go get a job driving a semi. To this day I get calls about "we have a 12 day lead time on that shipment, WE CANT FIND DRIVERS!!!". |
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Do they? No. They don't. If an American would bargain freely for these jobs, then they wouldn't be "given" to a "damn dirty furriner." But that's the point. Americans AREN'T taking these jobs. At least not at the wages offered. So rather than compete in a free marketplace, Americans are demanding that employers be FORCED to raise wages rather than hire people who are willing to take these jobs at the wage offered. Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American. For all your talk of freedom, you're just a bunch of big government loving socialists who can't stand competition. Go run to momma government since you can't stand the heat. you are talking about letting a market influence come in that is just as unnatural as .gov influence. Letting an illegal into our country is no different than someone homesteading on your property. Sounds good in theory like hippy love and all that because that's exactly what it is. Open borders and all are part of the 1 world socialist mindset. I don't own America. Nor do you. America != your private property. The analogy that an illegal immigrant is like someone squatting on your land is erroneous. Free market competition is not socialism. In fact, it's quite the opposite. And no, there is no such thing as an artificial market influence based on free individuals wanting to deal with other (loudly claiming to be) free individuals for work. Why honk the freedom horn? Who wants to condemn any American citizen from being able to get a job? No one. Yes, we do. It is us and we decide what we will allow and what we will not. So you've decided that it is your business whom your fellow Americans hire? you have decided that you will pick and choose which laws to enforce? the point is, they would not be hired if they were not here. period. How is handing out work permits against the law? eta ETA: Market influences come in many shapes and forms. You have chosen to allow one form of market influence.
This is the problem with libertarians. You have to realize, that it is unworkable. What you think does not hinder people, these extra "freedoms" that are pulled out of someones ass, they have to infringe on someone else to do that. You cannot do anything you want and it have no affect on other people. A 1 world government with no borders and all that will lead to us losing more and more freedoms here to give make believe freedoms to others. Whoa there, hoss. First of all, you can't "control" market forces. You can hinder them. You can regulate them. You can cause unintended consequences. But you cannot CONTROL the market. Free market capitalism is not a good idea or a system of beliefs and practices. Its a description of how human beings work. It's a natural LAW. Attempt to control it at your own peril. I didn't pull the freedom to bargain freely and make contracts freely in a free marketplace out of my ass. This is a self-evident right of all human beings that grows from the facts that they all control their own bodies and time. To say that they don't is to presume that someone ELSE has a greater right to tell them what they're allowed to do with their own labors than themselves. Secondly, I'm sorry if you think that their right to bargain in a free marketplace infringes on your "right" to a job or anything else you think you have a right to, but that just isn't so. It isn't a make-believe right. I'll even prove it to you. Imagine yourself in their position. |
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Do they? No. They don't. If an American would bargain freely for these jobs, then they wouldn't be "given" to a "damn dirty furriner." But that's the point. Americans AREN'T taking these jobs. At least not at the wages offered. So rather than compete in a free marketplace, Americans are demanding that employers be FORCED to raise wages rather than hire people who are willing to take these jobs at the wage offered. Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American. For all your talk of freedom, you're just a bunch of big government loving socialists who can't stand competition. Go run to momma government since you can't stand the heat. you are talking about letting a market influence come in that is just as unnatural as .gov influence. Letting an illegal into our country is no different than someone homesteading on your property. Sounds good in theory like hippy love and all that because that's exactly what it is. Open borders and all are part of the 1 world socialist mindset. I don't own America. Nor do you. America != your private property. The analogy that an illegal immigrant is like someone squatting on your land is erroneous. Free market competition is not socialism. In fact, it's quite the opposite. And no, there is no such thing as an artificial market influence based on free individuals wanting to deal with other (loudly claiming to be) free individuals for work. Why honk the freedom horn? Who wants to condemn any American citizen from being able to get a job? No one. Yes, we do. It is us and we decide what we will allow and what we will not. So you've decided that it is your business whom your fellow Americans hire? you have decided that you will pick and choose which laws to enforce? the point is, they would not be hired if they were not here. period. How is handing out work permits against the law? Because a lot of the time laws are broken to get people in. You do not think that all of these companies are honest do you? There have to be rules to any market. Such as counterfeiting products. Is a free market a right to steal other people's property? America has slowly slid down this slope and we are not better off for it. It is precisely these things that are destroying us. |
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Do they? No. They don't. If an American would bargain freely for these jobs, then they wouldn't be "given" to a "damn dirty furriner." But that's the point. Americans AREN'T taking these jobs. At least not at the wages offered. So rather than compete in a free marketplace, Americans are demanding that employers be FORCED to raise wages rather than hire people who are willing to take these jobs at the wage offered. Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American. For all your talk of freedom, you're just a bunch of big government loving socialists who can't stand competition. Go run to momma government since you can't stand the heat. you are talking about letting a market influence come in that is just as unnatural as .gov influence. Letting an illegal into our country is no different than someone homesteading on your property. Sounds good in theory like hippy love and all that because that's exactly what it is. Open borders and all are part of the 1 world socialist mindset. I don't own America. Nor do you. America != your private property. The analogy that an illegal immigrant is like someone squatting on your land is erroneous. Free market competition is not socialism. In fact, it's quite the opposite. And no, there is no such thing as an artificial market influence based on free individuals wanting to deal with other (loudly claiming to be) free individuals for work. Why honk the freedom horn? Who wants to condemn any American citizen from being able to get a job? No one. Yes, we do. It is us and we decide what we will allow and what we will not. So you've decided that it is your business whom your fellow Americans hire? you have decided that you will pick and choose which laws to enforce? the point is, they would not be hired if they were not here. period. How is handing out work permits against the law? Because a lot of the time laws are broken to get people in. You do not think that all of these companies are honest do you? There have to be rules to any market. Such as counterfeiting products. Is a free market a right to steal other people's property? America has slowly slid down this slope and we are not better off for it. It is precisely these things that are destroying us. We're talking about the Federal government handing out work permits. How is the theft of IP in any way relevant to what we're discussing here? |
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As far as that list, sure, churches and unions mostly support open borders, but for different reasons. Churches feel there is a moral need to to do so (Although, sometimes I think the Catholic Church is really interested in increasing its numbers in the US) and unions are looking for more members. Both groups have an agenda, and both groups are misguided.
What is not mentioned are the names of the companies that lobby for increases in H-1B and L-1 visas. These guys are the most shameful of all. In fact, between 2002 and 2004, we issued 600,000 H1-Bs, mostly to Indian technical workers, in the middle of the dot-com bust. At a time when Americans were being laid off by the tens of thousands, we imported 600,000 foreign workers.
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I'm confused. Why would any church groups be wanting foreign workers? What could they possibly have to gain?
I can sort of understand the unions wanting them, but only if they joined unions. So what's the deal? What proof is there that these groups are lobbying for foreign workers? I mean other than some guy writing an article. |
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If someone in another country wants to come here and work, who are you to tell them they can't? Im the owner of this land , that's who I am ......plain and simple . This is my house , and if you want to visit it , you'll abide by our rules , plain and simple. Dont like it? Stay the hell home. 
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? American jobs by American citizens? Well yes.........yes we do . The same rights that allow me to vote and own guns and such ......American rights that are granted to American citizens , the way it is and the way it should be. Americans who have sweat and bled building this country .....who have fought and died protecting this country. Not some free-loading slag looking for an easy way out of their problems here,instead of straightening out their own country's problems back home. My ancestors have been here for 400 years (give or take ) and if anyone is 'entitled' to anything ......when it becomes a 'toss-up' between me and someone 'fresh off the boat' ???............well your damned right I've got more rights than them. The analogy of comparing the slags to squatters is spot on too...............that's exactly what they are. And the government , looking for that socialist voter base , is promoting it at the expense of American citizens. OP..........thank you for that list. |
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Quoted: Quoted: More people is always a good thing. Only the short sighted and ignorant are against more people coming to America. Besides, we gotta replace the 50 million Americans we've murdered somehow. Wrong, too many people and you cannot afford to support yourself. The population of China has hurt them a lot. Each person will need to consume a certain amount and you eventually reach limits. Your argument doesn't hold water. The higher the population density of a nation, the wealthier it is and can and will become. People are an asset and produce things and work and serve one another. They are not a drain like you think they are. If you look at every single nation that is poor in the world. You'll see their population densities are low. The rich nations have high population densities. The more people you have, the MORE productive your nation will be and the more likely it is that it will not be hindered by limits because of human ingenuity. The population of China has not hurt them a lot. If you go a mile or two in any direction, you're going to enter the country side of China. The majority of Chinese live in the country, areas which are highly underpopulated and suffer from low population density. Seeing as you don't know much about China. I'll tell you what hurt them. Feudalism, the opium wars, the Japanese invasion, civil war, communism and this NASTY thing called the cultural revolution. The cultural revolution ended up causing most of the big problems they had because it shut down everything in their society. The schools shut down, the hospitals shut down, the factories stopped working, farms stopped working effectively, there were absolutely no courts, the government didn't work ect ect. They had to press the reset button and restart everything. That is not something which is easily or quickly fixed. Especially when you're industrializing and modernizing your nation in order to transition into a post industrial society. |
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? Do they? No. They don't. If an American would bargain freely for these jobs, then they wouldn't be "given" to a "damn dirty furriner." But that's the point. Americans AREN'T taking these jobs. At least not at the wages offered. So rather than compete in a free marketplace, Americans are demanding that employers be FORCED to raise wages rather than hire people who are willing to take these jobs at the wage offered. Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American. For all your talk of freedom, you're just a bunch of big government loving socialists who can't stand competition. Go run to momma government since you can't stand the heat. Are you referring to unions demanding higher wages than the market will bear or individual workers competing for jobs? The only reason employers listen to unrealistic wage demands is because the GOVERNMENT forces them to BY LAW. Individual workers who are worth a damn compete on their own talents and drive. Not on how well they can use the government like a club against their fellow citizens to get what they want. |
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Do you have some kind of a right to a job or any specific job? American jobs by American citizens? Well yes.........yes we do . The same rights that allow me to vote and own guns and such ......American rights that are granted to American citizens , the way it is and the way it should be. Americans who have sweat and bled building this country .....who have fought and died protecting this country. Not some free-loading slag looking for an easy way out of their problems here,instead of straightening out their own country's problems back home. My ancestors have been here for 400 years (give or take ) and if anyone is 'entitled' to anything ......when it becomes a 'toss-up' between me and someone 'fresh off the boat' ???............well your damned right I've got more rights than them. The analogy of comparing the slags to squatters is spot on too...............that's exactly what they are. And the government , looking for that socialist voter base , is promoting it at the expense of American citizens. OP..........thank you for that list. Sorry, I wasn't aware you owned the whole country. I'll be sure to stop peeing on that cactus behind my, I mean your shop. |
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Quoted: Quoted: More people is always a good thing. Only the short sighted and ignorant are against more people coming to America. Besides, we gotta replace the 50 million Americans we've murdered somehow. If you've paid any attention to this issue at all, and clearly you haven't, you'd know that immigration over the last 20 years has fueled an unprecedented drain on our resources and our taxes. The immigrants pouring into our country are mostly uneducated, unskilled, and illiterate. They take far more out of society than they put back in. Their children require far more money to educate than our children, yet still rank highest in dropping out of school, and rank lowest in test scores. The communities that have been conquered by these third world refugees are noted for lawlessness, chaos, and a much lower level of production. Frankly, it's impossible for me to believe that anyone could hold your views and be the slightest bit familiar with what's happening in California. I've looked at the financial costs anti-immigrants spout and the costs are always wayyyy lower than the billions they add to the economy of states. Want to know why? Because people, even poor uneducated people produce things and work. With regard to the other stuff, that's just typical crap spouted about every single immigrant group that has ever been targeted by people against immigrants. The exact same stuff you mention was said about immigrants 150+ years ago. It was BS then and it's BS now. Immigrants, illegal or legal have always and will always be good for our nation. The only reason people dislike immigrants is people can not mentally or emotionally handle anything different or anyone that they perceive is different. People want to lord over their neighbor and convince themselves they are better and the place they live is the greatest and want to do anything to protect their house of cards. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: More people is always a good thing. Only the short sighted and ignorant are against more people coming to America. Besides, we gotta replace the 50 million Americans we've murdered somehow. If you've paid any attention to this issue at all, and clearly you haven't, you'd know that immigration over the last 20 years has fueled an unprecedented drain on our resources and our taxes. The immigrants pouring into our country are mostly uneducated, unskilled, and illiterate. They take far more out of society than they put back in. Their children require far more money to educate than our children, yet still rank highest in dropping out of school, and rank lowest in test scores. The communities that have been conquered by these third world refugees are noted for lawlessness, chaos, and a much lower level of production. Frankly, it's impossible for me to believe that anyone could hold your views and be the slightest bit familiar with what's happening in California. I've looked at the financial costs anti-immigrants spout and the costs are always wayyyy lower than the billions they add to the economy of states. Want to know why? Because people, even poor uneducated people produce things and work. With regard to the other stuff, that's just typical crap spouted about every single immigrant group that has ever been targeted by people against immigrants. The exact same stuff you mention was said about immigrants 150+ years ago. It was BS then and it's BS now. Immigrants, illegal or legal have always and will always be good for our nation. The only reason people dislike immigrants is people can not mentally or emotionally handle anything different or anyone that they perceive is different. People want to lord over their neighbor and convince themselves they are better and the place they live is the greatest and want to do anything to protect their house of cards. But unlike the immigrants of 150 years ago, these won't assimilate. They do not adopt our language, our culture, our values... you know you sound like someone who supports illegal immigration... I love how you call them "immigrants" but not illegal, trespassing invaders bent on destroying the United States. ETA It appears we have even more fifth-columnists here as well. |