Posted: 9/12/2016 2:39:14 PM EDT
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my neighbor is a nice enough guy but he made a strange request the other day. He told me he wanted to learn archery and was planning on buying a bow. I didnt get specific if he was thinking recurve or compound. It didnt matter at this point. He then asked me if I would let him practice in my yard by setting up his target bag (presumably) against my detached garage since its all brick. He is concerned with missing the bag and figured that my 35' wide brick wall that is 14' tall would give him enough of a backstop to prevent arrows from going thru the woods and into the neighbors yard. I asked him why he didnt just use the side of his house for a backstop and he said it was siding and had windows. Yeah, no shit. Now I all for being a good neighbor but this request seems to be pushing it. Last thing I need is a homeowners insurance claim from something stupid he does. Besides I have no idea what a field point would do impacting brick. I am now kind of curious because I may shoot my bow. Its been many years since I have missed my bag completely but it could happen I suppose. Ideas? |
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Most likely the arrow is going to shatter hitting brick but its probably going to chip it and could crack it as well.
A guy local to me filmed himself shooting a broadhead I think it was through a cinder block. Stuck all the way through it if my memory is correct. I honestly didnt expect that to happen when he was talking about doing it. Either way. Fuck that. Like you said, go shoot at your own house and just dont miss. |
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my neighbor is a nice enough guy but he made a strange request the other day. He told me he wanted to learn archery and was planning on buying a bow. I didnt get specific if he was thinking recurve or compound. It didnt matter at this point. He then asked me if I would let him practice in my yard by setting up his target bag (presumably) against my detached garage since its all brick. He is concerned with missing the bag and figured that my 35' wide brick wall that is 14' tall would give him enough of a backstop to prevent arrows from going thru the woods and into the neighbors yard. I asked him why he didnt just use the side of his house for a backstop and he said it was siding and had windows. Yeah, no shit. Now I all for being a good neighbor but this request seems to be pushing it. Last thing I need is a homeowners insurance claim from something stupid he does. Besides I have no idea what a field point would do impacting brick. I am now kind of curious because I may shoot my bow. Its been many years since I have missed my bag completely but it could happen I suppose. Ideas? <--- decades of archery experience. Will depend entirely on: - draw weight of bow. More poundage, more damage - compound or recurve/longbow. Today's compounds are FAR more efficient at launching an arrow. Velocities in excess of 290 fps are Normal. For an average arrow weighing 500 grains, that's A LOT Of potential energy. - distance and angle of impact. Farther out, you lose velocity fast. Under 20 yards, most of it it still there. Glancing blows will chip the brick. Direct hits will puncture. Moral of the story, for most modern stuff, unless he's using a children's how with a 12 lb draw weight, his request is uber stupid. Have him Stack a few concrete blocks out and shoot one, and he'll suddenly realize how dumb his request is when he sees the damage that can be caused. Never mind the stupidity of every miss costing him at least $5 for an arrow shaft when the shock causes carbon fractures or deformations of aluminum arrow components. |
| I've missed the bag a few times and hit a concrete wall. Put about a 1" wide by 1/2" deep divot in the concrete. Aluminum arrows would be ruined, typically split around the point and shaft bent. Graphite arrows typically survived, the points bent and the nocks maybe dislodged. I just shoot the remainder of any arrow like that into the surrounding tree trunks, if possible. |
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I've missed the bag a few times and hit a concrete wall. Put about a 1" wide by 1/2" deep divot in the concrete. Aluminum arrows would be ruined, typically split around the point and shaft bent. Graphite arrows typically "survived," the points bent and the nocks maybe dislodged. I just shoot the remainder of any arrow like that into the surrounding tree trunks, if possible. |
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Quoted: I'd tell him no, and then I'd say he can go buy a horse stall mat from Tractor Supply and hang it from a frame on his property. This is what my archery club uses for a backstop on the 3D range. The mat is the back stop and I hang a target out in front of the mat. |
why in the blue fuck would he even think that was something anyone would let him do. fuck him tell him to use his own house. he will use yours when your not there set a camera up. anyone who has that fucked up way of thinking, thinks he is entitled to use your property 
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$100 will buy a nice target like a Black Hole, Yellow Jacket, etc. Quoted:
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No way, it'll definitely take chunks out of your bricks. $100 will buy a couple big straw bales to use as a backstop. $100 will buy a nice target like a Black Hole, Yellow Jacket, etc. I'm talking about a backstop beyond the target. 2 big bales will provide a 6' by 8' area. |
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As others have said, hay bales or stall mats are the way to go.
My arrows have ~74 ft lbs of energy, concentrated on a very pointy tip. If he gets up to 70lbs and has some heavy arrows, you're looking at well over 80 ft lbs of energy. You WILL get damage to your bricks, potentially pretty serious damage. And what happens when he royally fucks up and shoots over or to the side of your garage? Cause it's going to happen the first time his sights come loose and he doesn't realize it or something breaks his concentration. |
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Quoted: My arrows will break bricks. Tell him to do this at his house. It is a horse stall mat from your local farm retailer. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/c1/3c/63/c13c637df5d71f4ee4dd51f72184d0bc.jpg I get it, big NO GO on the brick. I wasnt going for it to begin with but was curious as to the damage if I used it. I like this but let me ask the group this question: If the above pictured set up was in direct line with your back yard, where your kids play etc, with only 10-15 feet of lightly wooded area seperating the 2 yards would you take offense to it? |
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is this a spoof thread? noone is that dumb.
If the above pictured set up was in direct line with your back yard, where your kids play etc, with only 10-15 feet of lightly wooded area seperating the 2 yards would you take offense to it? that is just asking for a two way range... |
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I get it, big NO GO on the brick. I wasnt going for it to begin with but was curious as to the damage if I used it. I like this but let me ask the group this question: If the above pictured set up was in direct line with your back yard, where your kids play etc, with only 10-15 feet of lightly wooded area seperating the 2 yards would you take offense to it? Quoted:
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My arrows will break bricks. Tell him to do this at his house. It is a horse stall mat from your local farm retailer. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/c1/3c/63/c13c637df5d71f4ee4dd51f72184d0bc.jpg I get it, big NO GO on the brick. I wasnt going for it to begin with but was curious as to the damage if I used it. I like this but let me ask the group this question: If the above pictured set up was in direct line with your back yard, where your kids play etc, with only 10-15 feet of lightly wooded area seperating the 2 yards would you take offense to it? Especially if he is new at this, there will be arrows that miss and go into your yard. So no, it needs to point in another direction. At very minimum he better coordinate with you and only shoot when the kids aren't outside. |
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By far the cheapest, safest way to handle this is to tell your neighbor to go to his favorite pro-shop and pay the small indoor range fee to practice and learn the dynamics of the sport of archery.
The archery shop will be happy to make sure the shooter learns to respect and use his/her equipment. The shooter will be able to learn the outdoor ranges available in the area and hopefully find some person other than yourself to guide him/her through what is acceptable practice and what is not. Too many people do not realize the power any well tuned archery set-up can produce. Today's equipment does not have rubber suction tips provided. 23 years worth of bowhunter education. CA and MT. |