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4/6/2014 1:49:31 PM EDT
What is everyone's thought on FFP.  I think I want a Vortex Viper PST 4-16 FFP.  They are more than the 2nd FP by quite a bit.  Does everyone think they are worth it.  Hoping to get night vision later on and the scope is going on a custom built 7.62 AR with billet receiver, 18" heavy dimpped barrel, PRS stock.  YAY or NAY?

I just got a Vortex Viper HS 2.5-10 and it's freaking AWESOME but not FFP...
4/6/2014 1:53:12 PM EDT
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No use to me unless I had it on a low power variable, like 1-4 or 1-6. Depending on th e reticle. I don't care about being able to range through the magnification range because I always have a range finder anyway.
4/6/2014 1:54:05 PM EDT
[#2]
Makes ranging easier but also covers more of the target at higher magnification.
4/6/2014 1:58:45 PM EDT
[#3]
If you do unknown distance shooting and don't have a LRF they are very useful.
4/6/2014 1:59:13 PM EDT
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Also you can hold your mils at any power, instead of just one
4/6/2014 2:00:01 PM EDT
[#5]
I have a nightforce F1.  I don't know how to use it, but it looks super cool.

I'd just save the money and get a regular scope.  They look just as cool.
4/6/2014 2:02:32 PM EDT
[#6]
I prefer it.  Are you going to use it for ranging and holds at different magnifications?
4/6/2014 2:09:35 PM EDT
[#7]
Excellent idea, but with the reticle being so thin on the scope I have (SS 3-9x42), when you turn it down to 3x, it would be difficult to mil a target and even .5 mil would be a stretch.
4/6/2014 2:13:36 PM EDT
[#8]
OP I have that scope. I am not a scope expert but I think it's great!

4/6/2014 2:35:06 PM EDT
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Also you can hold your mils at any power, instead of just one
I would kill for an illuminated 1-24x that was FFP from 1 to 12x and then SFP from 12-24x. While I'm dreaming I also want it to weigh under 2 pounds.
 
4/6/2014 2:37:42 PM EDT
[#10]
I wouldn't go back to SFP, The ability to range at magnifications I want is much better for me.
4/6/2014 2:42:09 PM EDT
[#11]
I have a Vortex PST 6-24x50 FFP with MOA reticule and adjustments.  Wasn't sure about FFP  but after using this scope I really like it.  Regardless of magnification, adjustments via hash marks on the reticule are easy to do.  I don't find the changing size of the reticule to be a problem.  I suppose at extreme magnifications shooting bench rest or similar it may not be fine enough but for my uses of long range shooting it works fine.
4/6/2014 2:42:27 PM EDT
[#12]
Fuck yes, FFP. Ranging and holdovers at any magnification. Why would you not want it?
4/6/2014 3:41:15 PM EDT
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The FFP scopes are good, if you can use them. Long range precision is their forte. I have a March 3X24X42 on my AR10 in an Aadmount mount. I'll move it to a bolt rifle when/if I get one that is worthy. The clarity is great. The objective lens is 42mm so it is not a light gatherer per se. Precision dials.

4/6/2014 3:43:46 PM EDT
[#14]
If your going to be sitting at a bench on nice days and shooting groups at known distance, save your money and get a SFP.

If you are going to shoot at various, unknown distances in less than perfect conditions then you will want a FFP.  If you have someone to spot for you, the FFP simplifies your communication.

I think the FFP is worth the additional cost. I would suggest that you try one out to make sure that you like it before you buy.
4/6/2014 3:45:32 PM EDT
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Ranging unknown distance targets is a highly useful skill.  FFP makes it a magnitude easier.

4/6/2014 3:51:12 PM EDT
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FFP If your recticle is any sort of mildot or has any sort of Ranging / BDC.

SFP is only advisable for traditional crosshairs (hunting scopes).

You can also skip the whole issue by going fixed magnification.  I'd you so that you get a LOT more glass for less money. Plus with use you will learn to guesstimate the range of things by how big they are in the scope, without having to measure with your recticle, since you are always using the same power.

A 6x, 10x or 12x from swfa (super sniper) will set you back $300 but you are getting $900 scope glass and turrets.
4/6/2014 3:51:32 PM EDT
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FFP = easy ranging at any power
SFP = easy ranging at full magnification and 1/2 of full magnification
4/6/2014 4:02:38 PM EDT
[#18]
Depends on the use... in a variable 0-500m rifle, the FFP almost always have weak illumination of the reticle at 1x (and you can't do much ranging at that magnification any), and most people only use either 1x or the highest mag (4x or 6x) typically.  I think for that role a SFP can make a lot of sense (or a FFP with a very carefully designed reticle).
4/6/2014 4:02:56 PM EDT
[#19]
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4/6/2014 5:11:37 PM EDT
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FFP = easy ranging at any power
SFP = easy ranging at full magnification and 1/2 of full magnification
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FFP = easy ranging at any power
SFP = easy ranging at full magnification and 1/2 of full magnification


The real benefit for me with FFP is my point of aim and point of impact doesn't change with magnification.  I can mag my scope all the way up when shooting at great distances.

FFP ftw.