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Site News The People of Virginia VS Grabigial BanBerger | ARFCOM News
3/24/2005 5:37:37 AM EDT

Lets say that you moved into a new house and called to cable company to come and install broadband, but not TV cable.  They show up and set you right up, but as they're leaving, the Cable Tech hands you a sheet with the cable channel lineup on it and says under his breath - "hook up the cable there in your living room to your TV".

What do you do?  Is this wrong, since the company (or an agent of the company), in essence has provided you with this extra service at no additional cost?  Should you/could assume that it is a free, extended trial?
3/24/2005 5:38:16 AM EDT
[#1]
It's theft and you know it.  By both you and the service man.


He should be fired on the spot.

SGtar15
3/24/2005 5:38:49 AM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
It's theft and you know it.

SGtar15


I hate you, Sarge
3/24/2005 5:39:16 AM EDT
[#3]
I knew you knew it.


SGatr15
3/24/2005 5:42:40 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
It's theft and you know it.  By both you and the service man.


He should be fired on the spot.

SGtar15


+1

Not paying for the service = stealing.
3/24/2005 5:48:32 AM EDT
[#5]
Say you have a buddy who works in a restaurant.

He has you come around back and slips you a couple of big to-go boxes with steaks and sides.

Is it free?  Somebody paid for it.

Is it wrong?

What would be the consequences to the employee if he got caught?

After you start digging the question answers itself.
3/24/2005 5:49:55 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Lets say that you moved into a new house and called to cable company to come and install broadband, but not TV cable.  They show up and set you right up, but as they're leaving, the Cable Tech hands you a sheet with the cable channel lineup on it and says under his breath - "hook up the cable there in your living room to your TV".

What do you do?  Is this wrong, since the company (or an agent of the company), in essence has provided you with this extra service at no additional cost?  Should you/could assume that it is a free, extended trial?


I wouldn't give a damn, I've had mistakes before (like getting premium channels and not paying for it) and when you clal them they just say.. well it's not on our bill so you're okay.

Especially here in OK, the only cable co is COX, and they are just as close to a monopoly that you can get.

3/24/2005 5:51:04 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:

I wouldn't give a damn, I've had mistakes before (like getting premium channels and not paying for it) and when you clal them they just say.. well it's not on our bill so you're okay.

Especially here in OK, the only cable co is COX, and they are just as close to a monopoly that you can get.



If you called the company and they said don't worry about it, I'd say there's no problem then.
3/24/2005 5:52:46 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Say you have a buddy who works in a restaurant.

He has you come around back and slips you a couple of big to-go boxes with steaks and sides.

Is it free?  Somebody paid for it.

Is it wrong?

What would be the consequences to the employee if he got caught?

After you start digging the question answers itself.



Unless they were mistakes by the kitchen, then they are just going to waste. I'd rather eat it than throw it away.

Had those happen alot, especially in upscale restaurants.

Just bein a devil's advocate.
3/24/2005 5:55:07 AM EDT
[#9]
It's just cable....

You'll have plenty of service interuptions
3/24/2005 5:56:18 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Quoted:

I wouldn't give a damn, I've had mistakes before (like getting premium channels and not paying for it) and when you clal them they just say.. well it's not on our bill so you're okay.

Especially here in OK, the only cable co is COX, and they are just as close to a monopoly that you can get.



If you called the company and they said don't worry about it, I'd say there's no problem then.


That's really what I'm getting at.  This company is just like that.
3/24/2005 5:58:37 AM EDT
[#11]
From the Alabama Criminal Code:

Theft of services - Definition.

(a) A person commits the crime of theft of services if:

(1) He intentionally obtains services known by him to be available only for compensation by deception, threat, false token or other means to avoid payment for the services; or

(2) Having control over the disposition of services of others to which he is not entitled, he knowingly diverts those services to his own benefit or to the benefit of another not entitled thereto.

(b) "Services" includes but is not necessarily limited to labor, professional services, transportation, telephone or other public services, accommodation in motels, hotels, restaurants or elsewhere, admission to exhibitions, computer services and the supplying of equipment for use.

(c) Where compensation for services is ordinarily paid immediately upon the rendering of them, as in the case of motels, hotels, restaurants and the like, absconding without payment or bona fide offer to pay is prima facie evidence under subsection (a) that the services were obtained by deception.

(d) If services are obtained under subdivision (a) (1) from a hotel, motel, inn, restaurant or cafe, no prosecution can be commenced after 120 days from the time of the offense.

-------------------------------------

Section 13A-8-10.1

Theft of services in the first degree.
(a) The theft of services which exceeds two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500) in value constitutes theft of services in the first degree.

(b) Theft of services in the first degree is a Class B felony.

Section 13A-8-10.2

Theft of services in the second degree.
(a) The theft of services which exceeds five hundred dollars ($500) in value but does not exceed two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500) in value constitutes theft of services in the second degree.

(b) Theft of services in the second degree is a Class C felony.

Section 13A-8-10.3

Theft of services in the third degree.
(a) The theft of services which does not exceed five hundred dollars ($500) in value constitutes theft of services in the third degree.

(b) Theft of services in the third degree is a Class A misdemeanor.






(IIRC, they can also charge you the full cost of service for the time you have been receiving it, in addition to the fines above.)


ETA:  For me the bottom line is this:  It is almost never caught or prosecuted, but do you want to risk your gun rights (some of the charges above are felonies) for some "free" cable?
3/24/2005 6:00:15 AM EDT
[#12]
Here in Milwaukee, Time-Warner will install a simple, screw-in, band pass filter in your cable line to prevent people that only pay $45 a month for broadband access from receiving any of the "free" analog channels.

Well, I should say - they at least "try" to prevent you from getting the analog cables channels.

BTW:  I don't believe one can ask an 'ethical' question about any cable company.
3/24/2005 6:02:09 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
From the Alabama Criminal Code:



Well, I guess that settles that.  

Wow, it's tempting though.  Especially since the said company has been contacted and says basically that they don't care.
3/24/2005 6:04:48 AM EDT
[#14]
It'a a TRAP!  The cable co. knows what you got and they're just hoping you don't say anything so they can get away with selling you more than you asked for.   Don't worry it'll show up on your cable bill...
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