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3/2/2017 10:45:00 PM EDT
We live in the country with the closest neighbor being over 1/3 mile away.  We have two male dogs, both around 2.5 years old.  Red is a red heeler and Jack is a cross between a German shorthair and border collie.  They have a 12'x16' shed for a kennel with 6'x16' fenced in outside area attached to it.  Ever since they were puppies, we would let them out at least every other day.  As soon as they get out, they play with us for a minute and then take off running for our woods.  They disappear for 30 min or so and spend the rest of the day hanging out around the yard.  

I always thought they were staying in our little 8 acres of woods chasing rabbits and playing while they were out of our sight.  Last weekend, right after I finished putting them back in their kennel, a police car pulled up to the house.  The officer asked if I had two dogs.  He then told me that one of the neighbors complained that the dogs were frequently visiting their house.  He was nice about it and told me to break them of it and then drove away.  

How do you retrain two adult dogs to stay near a house when they've been running around for years?  Would neutering help?  I don't want to tie them up.  I have found that if I only let one out at a time, the lone dog out sticks around, but the one in the kennel is miserable.  My first thought is shock collars and paying very close attention to them when they are out.  Any suggestions?

3/2/2017 10:48:50 PM EDT
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You can try an invisible fence. I have about 10 of my acres around my house underground fenced in. Works for my GSP, GWP and English setter.
3/2/2017 10:49:36 PM EDT
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Have you worked on recall with them individually? You and the house need to be more interesting and rewarding than whatever they are running off and doing together.

Are you outside with them when they run off?

Sometimes they can get into trouble when they have a partner in crime.

I've seen the new wireless invisible fences they have, but they aren't very big. That, too, will require training of course.
3/2/2017 10:53:24 PM EDT
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You can try an invisible fence. I have about 10 of my acres around my house underground fenced in. Works for my GSP, GWP and English setter.
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I didn't think invisible fencing was an option for that large of an area.  Something to look into.
3/2/2017 10:57:11 PM EDT
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Have you worked on recall with them individually? You and the house need to be more interesting and rewarding than whatever they are running off and doing together.

Are you outside with them when they run off?

Sometimes they can get into trouble when they have a partner in crime.

I've seen the new wireless invisible fences they have, but they aren't very big. That, too, will require training of course.
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I haven't tried working with them individually.  There seems to be no need.  They only take off when they're together.

We're outside when they run off.  If I let them out, they will run around and play with me for about a minute and then they bolt.
3/2/2017 11:00:38 PM EDT
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Neutering isn't going to help. Reliable fencing is about the only thing that's going to work at this point.
3/2/2017 11:04:12 PM EDT
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Fence. My dog used to wander off for miles, but that was when her brother was still alive and with us.  Now that she's alone, she stays closer to home (thanks to the coyotes).  Dogs on the whole do not respect fences or property lines.  They do what dogs do -- go underneath, jump over, go around.
3/2/2017 11:04:28 PM EDT
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Fence

problem was you let them out of your site and never corrected it.  And probably never can now.
3/2/2017 11:05:00 PM EDT
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You have been irresponsible in letting them wander off like that.  

That is a good way to get them killed.

Maybe shock collars.
3/2/2017 11:06:11 PM EDT
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we had an underground fencing 20 acres.  the dogs statring breaching it and would disappear for a while.  Next the neighbor shot one and kill the other.  you are lucky you got warning.  I fenced with barbed wire 40 acres and put the underground fence wire on the second strand from the bottom with the bottom two wires closer together than for cattle.  This way they have to stop and not run thru the electronic barrier.  We keep the batteries in their collars good and test them regularly.  It was a lot of money but the dogs stay on my property..
3/2/2017 11:10:22 PM EDT
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A big ass fence and / or shock collars. But the electronic devices don't keep others out of your domain. Some have battery back up for the xtmr in case of power outages; some don't.
3/2/2017 11:15:55 PM EDT
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Shock collars are awesome if you are consistent with them. It was a total game changer with keeping my dog on my property.
3/2/2017 11:37:12 PM EDT
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problem was you let them out of your site and never corrected it.  And probably never can now.
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Unfortunately, I was naive and thought they were sticking around.
3/3/2017 1:41:38 AM EDT
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Do you have to fence the whole 40?  Why not fence the close in one acre?  Good luck.
3/3/2017 2:00:30 AM EDT
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My five acres is fenced on all sides, 8 acres is going to be an investment. 

I'd go with either an underground fence or I'd set up an area of an acre or two with 48" welded wire and maybe a couple strands of barb on top with t posts and corner posts.
3/3/2017 2:56:13 AM EDT
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I have 3 Dags and a Hidden Electric fence
Socks-  Jack Russel / Beagle
Lacey the Meth Lab - Yellow lab / Pitbull
Beckham - Yellow Lab / Belgian Malinois

The 1st 2 never leave or attempt to touch their boundaries

However Beckham gets and will take 4 feet of high intense shock to get any and everything he deems prey on the other side .

It was explained to me like this

If you drop a $ dollar bill in a Porta Potty would you reach in and Grab it ?  Probably Not
How about a $5.00 your thinking bout it
How about a $20 . Some are going to dip their hands in vile nasty blue
How about a $50 . Yep you are getting blue stain hands

Point is the fence works for most but not all
Beckham will cross the fence and take a massive shock just to chase Butterflies but if there is no temptation he stays 4 feet back from the line
3/3/2017 6:09:42 AM EDT
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Invisible fence can now work off gps coordinates, not actual buried wire. My brother just set up 15 acres that way for his dogs.
3/3/2017 6:14:34 AM EDT
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Deer Fencing works for me
3/3/2017 7:03:58 AM EDT
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If they showed up at my house I would treat them like company.  Then let you know their whereabouts, end of story.
3/3/2017 7:49:39 AM EDT
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if you just have fence they will find a way out.  If you just have the electronic they will get out.   That is why I went with the electronic fence with collars and a barbed wire fence built to make them stop to get thru it.  My GSD, Malinois, and GSD mix all stay on the property.  It was a lesson learned loosing my favorite dog but hopefully it won't repeat.  The dogs just want to have fun and your neighbors don't want the bother.
3/3/2017 7:56:19 AM EDT
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They run out of sight but you figured they just stayed on your property?

Lol
3/3/2017 7:59:23 AM EDT
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I didn't think invisible fencing was an option for that large of an area.  Something to look into.
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Yeah sport dog makes one. You can do up to 100 acres with it. I like it because the collars just use 9v batteries.
3/3/2017 9:35:59 AM EDT
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We've used shock collars with great success in training several dogs to obey our commands. You need to use them properly or you'll cause more problems than you've already got. There are videos and instructions you can find in a web search to help. I've used the shock collars to stop one of my dogs that would run after deer and be gone for hours. Now when I take him out and he sees a deer all I need to do is say,"no," and he'll just look at them. I can let my very friendly, and when need be, protective rottweiler out and if there's anyone in sight a "no," will stop him in his tracks.
3/3/2017 9:39:42 AM EDT
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This....Fence is the only sure way.
3/3/2017 10:54:47 AM EDT
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A hound dog is going to run in the woods. They are hard wired to run in the woods.

My beagles used to stay relatively close when we took them to our lease but eventually they are going to run.

Oddly enough they stay in our yard at the house even though one of them could easily clear the fence. I think it's because there is enough in the yard to keep them happy, between the squirrels, rats, moles and possums.


If it were me I would have a fence around my house but I'm one of those people that likes fences. I would even have one if I had "land in the country".

Especially if I had land in the country, there are troublemakers there just as in the city, and no witnesses.

My supervisor is a horse person and has a very very nice spread "out in the country". They are regularly robbed and vandalized. 
3/3/2017 10:57:18 AM EDT
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I have a similar property.  Invisible fence was my answer.
3/3/2017 11:02:19 AM EDT
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You were given a warning.  You probably won't get a second one.

Be responsible now and put up a big ass fence.
3/3/2017 11:07:01 AM EDT
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Start with the invisible fence, then add the barbed wire with the low wire if necessary. Diggers can get under a regular fence in under five minutes.

My old dog would test the batteries in his invisible fence collar. Make sure you test them before the dogs figure out they're dead.
3/3/2017 12:28:44 PM EDT
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Just out of curiosity... How many nipples do your dogs have?
3/3/2017 1:33:11 PM EDT
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I'd be curious as to the brand he chose. Got a 360 acre family farm that it would be good for.
3/3/2017 7:36:19 PM EDT
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One has 3 and the other has 7.  Why?
3/3/2017 7:37:04 PM EDT
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I'd be curious as to the brand he chose. Got a 360 acre family farm that it would be good for.
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I'd be curious as to the brand he chose. Got a 360 acre family farm that it would be good for.


That does sound like a good option.  Not cheap though.
3/4/2017 12:28:48 AM EDT
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One has 3 and the other has 7.  Why?
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One has 3 and the other has 7.  Why?


Mine seems to be missing a couple. Doesn't sound like yours can spare any either. Yours is worse off than mine.