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Posted: 10/11/2004 6:24:50 AM EST
do US citizens have the right to "disapear"? Suppose I choose to leave society and head for the hills. Can I live in peace withouth an ID, papers on public land and not pay taxes? build my own dwelling and hunt for my chow?

...alaska's probably the only place left in the county to disapear.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:31:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2004 6:31:59 AM EST by jkstexas2001]
Yes, if disappearing does not include trying to develop a new identity using forged/false documentation.

If you are considering Alaska, don't forget a baseball bat for the mosquitoes.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:31:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2004 6:32:00 AM EST by fight4yourrights]
Disappear

Main Entry: dis·ap·pear
Pronunciation: "di-s&-'pir
Function: verb
intransitive senses
1 : to pass from view
2 : to cease to be : pass out of existence or notice
transitive senses : to cause the disappearance of
- dis·ap·pear·ance /-'pir-&n(t)s/ noun
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:32:45 AM EST
You mean like die?

I think the IRS will always want to keep tabs on you.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:33:24 AM EST
Join the Amish.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:34:34 AM EST
French Foreign Legion works well. They even set you up with a new ID afterwards :P
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:35:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
Yes, if disappearing does not include trying to develop a new identity using forged/false documentation.

If you are considering Alaska, don't forget a baseball bat for the mosquitoes.




In the several years that I lived in Alaska, I ran into several people there that were trying to establish new identities. Including a lunatic that iced a couple strippers with an ice pick.

Don't waste your time.

What you are will always show through.

Why does everyone assume that you can get away with stuff in Alaska?

Believe it or not, they have computers and police up there, too.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 7:45:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By piccolo:

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
Yes, if disappearing does not include trying to develop a new identity using forged/false documentation.

If you are considering Alaska, don't forget a baseball bat for the mosquitoes.




In the several years that I lived in Alaska, I ran into several people there that were trying to establish new identities. Including a lunatic that iced a couple strippers with an ice pick.

Don't waste your time.

What you are will always show through.

Why does everyone assume that you can get away with stuff in Alaska?

Believe it or not, they have computers and police up there, too.



not seeking new identity or running from the law. Suppose I'm just fed up with society? No forge documents, just no documents at all. Live like an 18th century mountain man.

Link Posted: 10/11/2004 8:02:37 AM EST
You're still going to have to buy clothes, probably see a doctor and most assuredly buy ammo and need a gunsmith, along with other things I'm probably not thinking of off the top of my head. Can you do any/all of those things without money and/or an ID?
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 8:05:30 AM EST
Marry a she bear and have some cubs in a cave.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 8:05:41 AM EST
i doubt you could live like " an 18th century mountian man" even if you wanted to. Total isolation would be very rough on a person who is use to everyday live in normal society. JMO


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Link Posted: 10/11/2004 8:08:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By wedge1082:
You mean like die?

I think the IRS will always want to keep tabs on you.



+1
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 8:12:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By blackrifle51:

Originally Posted By piccolo:

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
Yes, if disappearing does not include trying to develop a new identity using forged/false documentation.

If you are considering Alaska, don't forget a baseball bat for the mosquitoes.




In the several years that I lived in Alaska, I ran into several people there that were trying to establish new identities. Including a lunatic that iced a couple strippers with an ice pick.

Don't waste your time.

What you are will always show through.

Why does everyone assume that you can get away with stuff in Alaska?

Believe it or not, they have computers and police up there, too.



not seeking new identity or running from the law. Suppose I'm just fed up with society? No forge documents, just no documents at all. Live like an 18th century mountain man.




And "disappear" you will.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 8:15:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Disappear

Main Entry: dis·ap·pear
Pronunciation: "di-s&-'pir
Function: verb
intransitive senses
1 : to pass from view
2 : to cease to be : pass out of existence or notice
transitive senses : to cause the disappearance of
- dis·ap·pear·ance /-'pir-&n(t)s/ noun



Does the letter "P" have the right to disappear though?
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 8:27:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By blackrifle51:
do US citizens have the right to "disapear"? Suppose I choose to leave society and head for the hills. Can I live in peace withouth an ID, papers on public land and not pay taxes? build my own dwelling and hunt for my chow?

...alaska's probably the only place left in the county to disapear.



Legally, probably not. First, you cannot just "live" on public lands, unless you have a lease or have staked a claim (both which require an identity).

Hunting in every state requires a hunting license and sometimes tags (again requiring identity).
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 8:36:14 AM EST
At the risk of having the whole forum call BS, I lived in a tipi for the 1st 14 months I got out of the service. Doing shit like this in the 70s was not really common, but not unheard of, either. Remember, there was a lot of 'tune in, turn on, drop out' going around back then.

Live like an 18th mountain man?

I suppose you could,for a while, but eventually you'll need something.

You'll run out of ammo, brass, lose a tool, something.

For a lot of the 14 months I was attending college and had an income, the old GI bill.

Still, I got a pretty good taste of it, the winter was a cold one, too. Minus 40 some nights. Waugh!
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