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Posted: 2/27/2002 12:53:41 PM EDT
Check this out below. Subject: To all of my friends I am writing this because I feel every Firearms owner should know this story. I placed an order for a Dell notebook computer on February 13 on line with Dell. I was given a tentative delivery date of February 21st. I was watching the order through the Dell on line tracking system; I also opted for the automatic email notification of when the machine was to be shipped. Well the 21st came and went, I am a Pistolsmith I know things can happen. I made a phone call on the 25th, did a voice mail message for my salesman to get back to me and I was looking for the delivery date. The 25th came and went with no callback. On the 26th I placed another call this time to cancel the order. After a few hours I got a call back, with this amazing reason for the delay. It seems someone in Dell had already canceled my order, when I asked why I was told Dell was afraid I was going to use the machine for illegal purposes. When I asked why someone would think that I was told it was because of the name of my business "Weigand Combat Handguns Inc.". Because I am involved in firearms I might be doing something illegal. Now keep in mind I was never called or informed of this decision the order was just canceled. Many of you know me personally and know I run my business about as squeaky clean as possible. In addition being the President of the American Pistolsmiths Guild I am under additional scrutiny as to how I run my business, if I am not clean how can I be the President of an organization that promotes just that! I was informed by a Dell supervisor not long after all of this the reason I was refused was because of their post September 11th policy of screening buyers. I would like to respectfully ask the firearms community to do the following. If you intended to buy a Dell and because of this letter you do not, email Dell and let them know why. Feel free to distribute this account to all you know in the Firearms community, I think they need to know. I for one am sick and tired of people assuming just because we are involved with firearms that we are doing something illegal. I also do not believe Dell deserves our business if this is how they intend to treat us. God Bless Jack Weigand President American Pistolsmiths Guild Inc.
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 1:04:05 PM EDT
Well you are better off in the long run anyway. Dell computers are crap! If I may, I suggest to anyone that you forgo the major manufactures and support the local computer industry. You can usually get a much better deal and a better product with better service buy paying less for your PC. The only time you should (or anyone for that matter) concider buying a name brand PC is if you are purchasing a laptop. If you would like me to do some checking for you, I am sure that I could find you a better deal. Lesson: Stay Away From the Majors!!! Support the local guys. They are the ones that help you!
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 1:07:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/27/2002 1:35:35 PM EDT by fight4yourrights]
[size=4][red]From the Maryland AR15 Shooters Site - Just has some confirmation and a followup on the Glock List (on Yahoo groups). Seem's Dell's president called up Mr. Weigand and apologized. He then offered Mr. Weigand a free PC in the configuration ordered. Mr Weigand declined stating 'he didn't want to look like he had done all this just so he could get a free PC'. I'm glad to see Dell corrected the problem, and I was very impressed with Mr. Weigand's integrity.[/size=4][/red]
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 4:22:25 PM EDT
This is the greatest news of a very long day. After reading all of the posts, I am convinced that the outcome of the Dell situation is the best news of my day. Thank you to everybody who voiced their opinion, even against me. Those who came to bad on my side a special thank you. Jarhead 22 and Aggie 1. You guys are the bomb. I called a friend at the NRA today and faxed my letter on my stationary on this subject and they said they would place a call. I hope they get to find out the out come of the phone call placed by the CEO of Dell. Take care, Chris
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 5:20:19 PM EDT
>>More info from Jim N on tx.guns... >> >> >>On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:47:59 GMT, Jim Nicholson >>wrote: >> >> >Fellows, as I mentioned, here is more evidence of Dell's anti-gun >> >policies. It appears to run deeper than just the isolated >> >mistake of one individual salesman in the Jack Weigand case. This >> >one ain't just Pennsylvania, Dell is messing with Texas now! >> >TSRA is currently trying to arrange a meeting with Dell's >> >management to determine the depth of this policy. >> > >> >-------- Original Message -------- >> >Subject: More on Dell Computers >> >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:19:15 -0600 >> >From: "Denny Vasquez" >> >To: >> > >> >Jim, >> > >> >The email you sent me concerning Dell computers could have not >> >been timelier. On the Feb 18th I ordered a computer from Dell to >> >replace the one that I have been leasing from them for the last 3 >> >years. My order was >> >accepted and I was assigned a tracking number. When I logged on >> >to their web page last Thursday to check the status of my order I >> >could not locate it in their work stream. Therefore, I called >> >Dell and was informed that there were problems with my order and >> >that someone would call me back on Friday. >> > >> >Having not heard back from them on Friday, I called back on >> >Monday to inquire as to what the problem might be. I was informed >> >that my order had been canceled and that I was no long an >> >approved customer of Dell Computer Corporation. Not understanding >> >this logic, and knowing that each of my monthly lease payments >> >had been made as requested, I asked to speak to a supervisor in >> >order to determine why they had made this decision. After going >> >up the chain of command several levels I was finally told that I >> >was on a list of undesirable customers that Dell maintained and >> >that they would not sell me a computer because they didn't know >> >if all of my potential uses for the machine would be legal or >> >not. >> > >> >When I asked them what they were implying, this supervisor said >> >that according to their records I belonged to pro-gun and >> >pro-hunting groups such the NRA, TSRA, SCI, Trophy Game Records >> >of the world and others. When I inquired as what this had to do >> >with my purchase of a new computer, I was told that the Dell >> >Computer Corporation felt that it was their responsibility as a >> >member of the US corporate society to insure that their products >> >were not used for purposes that ran contra to Dell's corporate >> >policies and beliefs. >> > >> >Bottom line of the conversation was that I had been labeled as a >> >potential menace to society because I am gun owner and a hunter, >> >even though I do not have a police record and have never >> >participated in a law suit, therefore, the Dell Computer >> >Corporation would no longer sell computers to me or to those like >> >me. >> > >> >What a crock! Just thought you might like to know. >> > >> >Denny Vasquez >
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Don't feel so relieved. Dell is trying to pull the wool over our eyes for the price of a laptop. They're liars & scum of the lowest order.
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 5:38:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Norm_G: Don't feel so relieved. Dell is trying to pull the wool over our eyes for the price of a laptop. They're liars & scum of the lowest order.
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You believe everything you read? I'm glad someone mentioned the TSRA is going to try to meet with Dell officials to find out the specifics of the policies. I think this email from this Denny guy is a crock of shit. Dell has not and will not discriminate against us gun owners. It's smarter for a large corporation not to take sides on this issue, and Dell knows it. Wait until the TSRA or some CREDIBLE group gets to the bottom of this.
Link Posted: 3/2/2002 4:22:24 PM EDT
Sales Filter Software Helps U.S. Companies Avoid Selling to Terrorists http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/TechTV/techtv_softwarescreen020301.html "Companies that use Vastera's product include [b]Dell Computer[/b], Microsoft, Lucent Technologies, and Novell." The headline was a sidebar to another ABCNews article lined in another thread about the pissy French and their opinion of the US (can you say "As IF?) Now THIS is AR15.com [blue][i]synergy[/i][/blue]
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