[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Dear Religious Conservatives..... (Page 1 of 6)
Posted: 2/6/2014 1:37:59 PM EDT
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Your insistence on attempting to legislate morality will ultimately cost Americans their second amendment rights.
I hope it is easy to defend the moral high ground with sharp sticks. 
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Quoted: As soon as libertarians shell out the cash and time that the religious right does, they will get a seat at the table. This. Wake me when the Libertarian Party can nominate a viable national candidate who can break more than 2% of the vote. Incidentally, I have always maintained the primary reason the Libertarian Party is the irrelevant rump of US politics is the open hostility of the party members (and leaders) towards people of faith. You're never going to win any elections in America by insulting the average citizen's deeply-held personal beliefs. |
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Jesus said to sell your coat and buy a sword, I am sticking with that Lol. Please quote that. LMGTFY Luke 22:36 "But they said: Nothing. Then said he unto them: But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a scrip; and he that hath not, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword." |
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Jesus said to sell your coat and buy a sword, I am sticking with that And an "assault sword" at that. At the time, the people in that area were forbidden from owning swords at all. The only sword you could illegally get was a Roman sword, which were renown for being the best on the market. So Jesus told people to go get an assault weapon actually. |
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Your insistence on attempting to legislate morality will ultimately cost Americans their second amendment rights. I hope it is easy to defend the moral high ground with sharp sticks. And what religious laws have been passed? How are you being oppressed? Is porn outlawed? Sex with unmarried people? Stores closed on Holy Days and Sunday? 
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As soon as libertarians shell out the cash and time that the religious right does, they will get a seat at the table. I see a lot of Libertarian ideas with the TEA Party. And the TEA Party gave us back the House in 2010. You are correct that religious conservatives do spend a lot of time and money and helping conservatives win elections. Too bad some of the candidates they support are unable to get past the GOP primaries however. |
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This. Wake me when the Libertarian Party can nominate a viable national candidate who can break more than 2% of the vote. Incidentally, I have always maintained the primary reason the Libertarian Party is the irrelevant rump of US politics is the open hostility of the party members (and leaders) towards people of faith. You're never going to win any elections in America by insulting the average citizen's deeply-held personal beliefs. Quoted:
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As soon as libertarians shell out the cash and time that the religious right does, they will get a seat at the table. This. Wake me when the Libertarian Party can nominate a viable national candidate who can break more than 2% of the vote. Incidentally, I have always maintained the primary reason the Libertarian Party is the irrelevant rump of US politics is the open hostility of the party members (and leaders) towards people of faith. You're never going to win any elections in America by insulting the average citizen's deeply-held personal beliefs. The libertarian party isn't hostile towards people of faith, they just don't obsess about the bible or a woman's uterous 24/7 like Rick Santorum or Mike Huckabee do. |
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LMGTFY Luke 22:36 "But they said: Nothing. Then said he unto them: But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a scrip; and he that hath not, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword." Quoted:
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Jesus said to sell your coat and buy a sword, I am sticking with that Lol. Please quote that. LMGTFY Luke 22:36 "But they said: Nothing. Then said he unto them: But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a scrip; and he that hath not, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword." How come this and the sniper's prayer in Saving Private Ryan are the most popular quotes on gun boards? |
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And what religious laws have been passed? How are you being oppressed? Is porn outlawed? Sex with unmarried people? Stores closed on Holy Days and Sunday?
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Your insistence on attempting to legislate morality will ultimately cost Americans their second amendment rights. I hope it is easy to defend the moral high ground with sharp sticks. And what religious laws have been passed? How are you being oppressed? Is porn outlawed? Sex with unmarried people? Stores closed on Holy Days and Sunday?
Dude. Being anti abortion is basically demanding Sharia. Duh. |
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And what religious laws have been passed? How are you being oppressed? Quoted:
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Your insistence on attempting to legislate morality will ultimately cost Americans their second amendment rights. I hope it is easy to defend the moral high ground with sharp sticks. And what religious laws have been passed? How are you being oppressed? I believe ops point was that letting guys like Santorum for instance, alienate voters with the abortion issue, et, al. I agree. |
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Quoted: Your insistence on attempting to legislate morality will ultimately cost Americans their second amendment rights. I hope it is easy to defend the moral high ground with sharp sticks. I won't trade one principle for another. The liberals won't. Why should we.
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Quoted: The libertarian party isn't hostile towards people of faith, they just don't obsess about the bible or a woman's uterous 24/7 like Rick Santorum or Mike Huckabee do. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: As soon as libertarians shell out the cash and time that the religious right does, they will get a seat at the table. This. Wake me when the Libertarian Party can nominate a viable national candidate who can break more than 2% of the vote. Incidentally, I have always maintained the primary reason the Libertarian Party is the irrelevant rump of US politics is the open hostility of the party members (and leaders) towards people of faith. You're never going to win any elections in America by insulting the average citizen's deeply-held personal beliefs. The libertarian party isn't hostile towards people of faith, they just don't obsess about the bible or a woman's uterous 24/7 like Rick Santorum or Mike Huckabee do. Your description of Santorum and Huckabee is a perfect example of said hostility: "Libertarians don't hate religious people; just those snake-handling weirdos".  |
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Quoted: How come this and the sniper's prayer in Saving Private Ryan are the most popular quotes on gun boards? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Jesus said to sell your coat and buy a sword, I am sticking with that Lol. Please quote that. LMGTFY Luke 22:36 "But they said: Nothing. Then said he unto them: But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a scrip; and he that hath not, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword." How come this and the sniper's prayer in Saving Private Ryan are the most popular quotes on gun boards? Jesus rebuked them for using the sword. They NEVER mention that. He told them to have the swords so the prophecy "And he shall be numbered among the transgressors" would be fulfilled. NOT to use them as Peter found out. |
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Remember in the lead up to the 2012 election, right before the GOP primaries, when Obama pulled out of his ass, the "birth control mandate"?
Anyone know why? Because, sure as death and taxes, Santorum and the rest of the Churchies in the GoP fell for it and refused to talk about, oh I don't know, EVERYTHING about how much Obama's first term sucked. Churchie in the GoP is a god send (pun intended) for the left. Jobs an issue? Economy? Blithering incompetent incumbants? You can bet when Churchie gets interviewed by the media, guaranteed he'll mouth of some answer about how he thinks blowjobs should be ilegal, or other manner of NOT STAYING ON TOPIC. But remmeber folks: as long as Churchie "feels good", he's got all he wants. |
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Your description of Santorum and Huckabee is a perfect example of said hostility: "Libertarians don't hate religious people; just those snake-handling weirdos".
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As soon as libertarians shell out the cash and time that the religious right does, they will get a seat at the table. This. Wake me when the Libertarian Party can nominate a viable national candidate who can break more than 2% of the vote. Incidentally, I have always maintained the primary reason the Libertarian Party is the irrelevant rump of US politics is the open hostility of the party members (and leaders) towards people of faith. You're never going to win any elections in America by insulting the average citizen's deeply-held personal beliefs. The libertarian party isn't hostile towards people of faith, they just don't obsess about the bible or a woman's uterous 24/7 like Rick Santorum or Mike Huckabee do. Your description of Santorum and Huckabee is a perfect example of said hostility: "Libertarians don't hate religious people; just those snake-handling weirdos".
Again, I could vote for either of them, but they go onstage in debates and obsess about abortion when nobody is talking about abortion. 99% of the audience will be talking about jobs or whatever and Huckabee will start talking about the bible. Then the media makes fun of them 24/7 and we lose. Everyone knows Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum or whoever are Christians, they don't need to obsess about it every 2 seconds. Talk about the economy or whatever, not church. Nobody is electing who they want as preacher on Sunday. And I'm about as go to church 3 times a week or more Catholic as they come. |
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Quoted: Dude. Being anti abortion is basically demanding Sharia. Duh. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Your insistence on attempting to legislate morality will ultimately cost Americans their second amendment rights. I hope it is easy to defend the moral high ground with sharp sticks. And what religious laws have been passed? How are you being oppressed? Is porn outlawed? Sex with unmarried people? Stores closed on Holy Days and Sunday? Dude. Being anti abortion is basically demanding Sharia. Duh. |
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LMGTFY Luke 22:36 "But they said: Nothing. Then said he unto them: But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a scrip; and he that hath not, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword." Quoted:
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Jesus said to sell your coat and buy a sword, I am sticking with that Lol. Please quote that. LMGTFY Luke 22:36 "But they said: Nothing. Then said he unto them: But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a scrip; and he that hath not, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword." Context is everything. |
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Your insistence on attempting to legislate morality will ultimately cost Americans their second amendment rights. I hope it is easy to defend the moral high ground with sharp sticks. A- what the fuck are you babbling about now and B- did you vote for Obama in '12 like you did in '08? |
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Quoted: Ignorance. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Jesus said to sell your coat and buy a sword, I am sticking with that Lol. Please quote that. LMGTFY Luke 22:36 "But they said: Nothing. Then said he unto them: But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a scrip; and he that hath not, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword." How come this and the sniper's prayer in Saving Private Ryan are the most popular quotes on gun boards? Jesus rebuked them for using the sword. They NEVER mention that. sins. Any attempt to stop that by force was unacceptable, seeing as how even though Jesus knew full well the agony He was to endure, and even prayed for that necessity to be set aside if it was acceptable to His Father's will, He went forward willingly when the time had come. |
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People who don't want us to have our second amendment rights winning the battle will cost us our second amendment rights. I won't trade one principle for another. The liberals won't. Why should we. Quoted:
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Your insistence on attempting to legislate morality will ultimately cost Americans their second amendment rights. I hope it is easy to defend the moral high ground with sharp sticks. I won't trade one principle for another. The liberals won't. Why should we. Valid point |
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Your insistence on attempting to legislate morality will ultimately cost Americans their second amendment rights. I hope it is easy to defend the moral high ground with sharp sticks. 3/10 To the degree that laws are made for and by persons, all laws are grounded in moral principles (of some kind or other), and all legislation is an attempt to coerce good moral action. Now what? |
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I worked with a man that tried to murder me three times, I have drown, been shot twice, almost killed by a patrol dog, been blown our of a burning building, had all my teeth smashed in with brass knuckles, had my skull split open, hit a tree at 100 mph, been stabbed, beating with a bat, set on fire and you want me to doubt God? hey if he wants to take me home I am ready to fo Quoted:
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They think their god will protect them I'm staying the hell away from you. He hates you. |
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Your insistence on attempting to legislate morality will ultimately cost Americans their second amendment rights. I hope it is easy to defend the moral high ground with sharp sticks. Historically, morality was the purview of the "church." Government recognized that benefit of such laws known as the 10 Commandments and the Code of Hammurabi were sound, appropriate, and beneficial to society. Over time, government decided that morality was for chumps and that it was entirely appropriate to deprive people of what had been their rights such as the right to not be killed while in the womb. The church wisely decided that if unborn life was not sacred and worth protection, then nothing about post-birth life was safe. The church has pushed back to do nothing more than recover lost ground. If you think that an essentially amoral government is good for us, then I assume that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, King Leopold, Hitler, and Amin ought to be honored for their ability to stand up to the church. |
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Quoted: Again, I could vote for either of them, but they go onstage in debates and obsess about abortion when nobody is talking about abortion. 99% of the audience will be talking about jobs or whatever and Huckabee will start talking about the bible. Then the media makes fun of them 24/7 and we lose. Everyone knows Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum or whoever are Christians, they don't need to obsess about it every 2 seconds. Talk about the economy or whatever, not church. Nobody is electing who they want as preacher on Sunday. And I'm about as go to church 3 times a week or more Catholic as they come. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: As soon as libertarians shell out the cash and time that the religious right does, they will get a seat at the table. This. Wake me when the Libertarian Party can nominate a viable national candidate who can break more than 2% of the vote. Incidentally, I have always maintained the primary reason the Libertarian Party is the irrelevant rump of US politics is the open hostility of the party members (and leaders) towards people of faith. You're never going to win any elections in America by insulting the average citizen's deeply-held personal beliefs. The libertarian party isn't hostile towards people of faith, they just don't obsess about the bible or a woman's uterous 24/7 like Rick Santorum or Mike Huckabee do. Your description of Santorum and Huckabee is a perfect example of said hostility: "Libertarians don't hate religious people; just those snake-handling weirdos". Again, I could vote for either of them, but they go onstage in debates and obsess about abortion when nobody is talking about abortion. 99% of the audience will be talking about jobs or whatever and Huckabee will start talking about the bible. Then the media makes fun of them 24/7 and we lose. Everyone knows Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum or whoever are Christians, they don't need to obsess about it every 2 seconds. Talk about the economy or whatever, not church. Nobody is electing who they want as preacher on Sunday. And I'm about as go to church 3 times a week or more Catholic as they come. "Nobody is talking about abortion?" Dude, it's only been one of the biggest hot-button issues in the American electorate for the past 40 years. While you might not be bothered by it, a significant chunk of the voters are, and they are looking for a candidate who reflects their views. Dismissing it as irrelevant is a quick way to turn these voters off. ETA: BTW, I like your avatar; how much did that one weigh in at? |
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Small nitpicking point. "You can't legislate morality." Oh yes you can. You CAN NOT pass a law to make people MORAL. But you had better legislate your moral code, at least the major tenets of it. Not everything wrong is illegal. Not everything illegal is wrong. But the big wrongs had better be backed up by force of law. Mala in se versus mala prohibita I guess.
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